if GOD hated sinners then heaven would be empty, every one is loved because he is a loving GOD... and no sin is greater than the other, its the sin in us that he doesn't like ...

You have educated the point correctively

I don't need your sympathy I was merely stating my opinion as anyone else was...

Masturbation is a sin as well so guess every guy will be left at the pearly gates as well.

Those that want to can interpret the Bible as they wish..

As far as all African's hating Gays~~ I'm sorry but that is not true either for many African's are Gay as well so you can not lump all of one race and say they all Hate Gays.. One can only give their own thoughts not speak for others..

As I stated prior there is only one that has the right to Judge..

Myself I don't judge others for who they choose to love it is not my right..

Nor do I try to push my beliefs on others as if I'm without fault... for no one is without fault... According to many preachers if one goes the path of being born again regardless what sin they commented they will still go to Heaven, so yea even preachers take the Bible different then others...

Therefore I was only given my opinion... I may be straight but have had many gay friends over the years... And would never condemn them for their lifestyle it is their life to live..

No one is without sin~~

How about backing up that claim with a Bible verse that says so.

DodoDavid I was merely making a statement and maybe it is not a sin in the eyes of some but within the eyes of others it could be.. due to all interpret things different...

Here is one opinion that I found... whether it be true or not it is merely the way someone took it...

"While the Bible nowhere explicitly states that masturbation is a sin, there is no question as to whether the actions that lead to masturbation are sinful. Masturbation is nearly always the result of lustful thoughts, sexual stimulation, and/or pornographic images. It is these problems that need to be dealt with. If the sins of lust, immoral thoughts, and pornography are forsaken and overcome, masturbation will become a non-issue. Many people struggle with guilty feelings concerning masturbation, when in reality, the things that led to the act are far more worthy of repentance.

There are some biblical principles that can be applied to the issue of masturbation. Ephesians 5:3 declares, “Among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity.” It is hard to see how masturbating can pass that particular test. The Bible teaches us, “So whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God” (1 Corinthians 10:31). If you cannot give God glory for something, you should not do it. If a person is not fully convinced that an activity is pleasing to God, then it is a sin: “Everything that does not come from faith is sin” (Romans 14:23). Further, we need to remember that our bodies have been redeemed and belong to God. “Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body” (1 Corinthians 6:19-20). This great truth should have a real bearing on what we do with our bodies. In light of these principles, the conclusion that masturbation is a sin is biblical. Clearly, masturbation is not glorifying to God; it does not avoid the appearance of immorality, nor does it honor God as the owner of our bodies."

Getting back to the original topic, What the Apostle Paul says in 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 is quite explicit:

"Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."

A footnote in the ESV states, "The two Greek terms translated by this phrase [practice homosexuality] refer to the passive and active partners in consensual homosexual acts."

One would have to do all sorts of mental gymnastics to conclude that God hasn't condemned consensual homosexual acts as being sin.

The fact that all have sinned doesn't give one biblical license to accept a particular sin in order to have another person's approval.

I'm sorry, but don't know off hand nor can find the verse specific. But there is no forgiveness where there isn't repentance... or something along those lines. "Masturbation" would be a direct action in "fantasizing/lusting". It's not an indirect action/unintentional action. It's main and only purpose is for such. And same would fall with homosexuality. Yes the "desires" may seem natural or what you "naturally" want. And same for homosexuality. "Sex" was made for procreation, Gods first instruction to us, be fruitful and "fill the Earth". Filling the Earth can not be done through homosexuality. Which people obviously didn't realize or didn't consider and thus later on God had to express more deeply on the subject man shall not lay with man as he would a woman, ect.

As we are the born again christians we have given the authority to condemn what is wrong on the eyes of God no matter what we condemn even demons

Yes they are but they are doing this by copying the western culture not african culture to our culture this is an abomination to god we should condemn this culture I'ts wrong

Hate is a strong feeling. I believe it is sad that the main way this discussion is framed, is through some lens of 'hate' or 'phobia'

If I dont care for cursing, does that mean I have a phobia of or hatred for people who curse? no

If I feel polygamy is wrong, does that mean I have a phobia of or hatred for people who are polygamists? no

elsewhere I wrote about how the serpent manipulated Eve by reframing Gods words in an inarguable emotional appeal equating knowledge with God and therefore transforming the forbidden into the good and desirable

I believe these types of arguments follow suit,, by framing aknowledgment or disucssion or belief in sin into a mere matter of hatred and phobia

The New Testament does not condemn same-sex attraction (which was common in Greece). Paul has some things to say, but he has hate for a laundry list of people. Jesus never mentions it at all, but he is explicit in his prohibition of divorce. Too bad the right-wingers skip over that part as they quote the Bible.

Jesus clearly says male and female were made to be one flesh

and to flee from sexual immorality




He didn't specifically mention all types of sexual immorality but it listed along with ADULTERY which means he aknowledged other types of sexual sin

and he also states that divorce is hated(but not an abomination) and was given an exception if three is adultery or abandonment


if people were living a lifestyle of divorcing as regularly as having sexual relations, I would not imagine that would be pleasing to God either

Jesus clearly says male and female were made to be one flesh

and to flee from sexual immorality




He didn't specifically mention all types of sexual immorality but it listed along with ADULTERY which means he aknowledged other types of sexual sin

and he also states that divorce is hated(but not an abomination) and was given an exception if three is adultery or abandonment


if people were living a lifestyle of divorcing as regularly as having sexual relations, I would not imagine that would be pleasing to God either