Good one Valeris

I hadnt thought about that part before, and on top of judgement being conclusive as you said, the judgmental discourse is sometimes based on little to no research or evidence.

I guess there is no escaping it, whether you assess people's choices or opinions as bad, inaccurate or illogical, alot of the times, people will interpret the critique as being looked down upon .

So maybe the trick is in validating the person's right to their opinion and even showing evidence of trying to look at it from their perspective even if you dont agree.

Woops!

Now realising that I didn't respond to this.

And you are right.

We are all vulnerable to different degrees which means that no matter how nicely we try to phrase an opinion, once it touches any area of vulnerability for a person, it is likely to be seen as judgmental by that person.

And that's where the real crux of the problems lies Peggy!
When someone holds his/her opinion with as much validity as one would hold a judgement[conclusion]! It is my theory[opinion] that many such individuals do not possess the cognitive awareness to even make that distinction, to know that they do not know.
Their opinion in their minds- Is FACT. This falsely- held delusion could be based upon whatever dubious & obscure source[s] that deeply affected the particular individual [religious beliefs,parental beliefs, social dogma,trauma, soap opera plots, ect...the list is endless]. It has been written that the majority of individuals are without any awareness to even accurately understand what they do not understand; much less do the work to correct their misunderstandings.These are the people who, after being shown the facts & presented with glaring evidence will blatantly dismiss it, refuse to believe it, & will do anything to maintain the validity of their own erroneous delusions! People will behave like this not only in regard to their external & social environment but more dangerously so in reference to their inner landscapes & self identity. For example- There is so much evidence, study, & hard core research that has been done to provide a rational person with the fact that global warming/climate change is going to cause this [our] world- "a world of woe" in the not so distant future; yet there many people out there who still think climate change is a hoax & that there is no cause for any kind of concern or attention to the issue!!! On an inner an inner landscape level,take for example the disease of alcoholism. Think about the vast number of people who have a drinking problem yet in confronting that individual with specific events, facts, repercussions as proof that alcohol has destroyed or is in the process of destroying his/her life[s], relationships,the lives of others around them, careers,ect.; and yet when confronted with the "HARD FACTS", the majority of these individuals will stoutly maintain that Alcohol is "Not The Problem"-["Everything & Everyone" Else Is! [the real problem]!!! To these individuals, Everyone & Everything Else Is "The Problem" & in their self-deluded minds, "That's the Real Fact[s]." Not their opinions; a judgement.The alcoholic will swear that he/she is in total control & can hold their liquor just fine, blah, blah, blah...
The therapeutic term for this behavior is "Denial". At this point in life, I don't really care how the experts define it or why & how most people are able to be so blind; in the infamous words of Rhett Butler[Gone With The Wind] "Frankly My Dear, I don't give a damn."
And that's why cleaning-up the bat guano in my cave is a such a small price to pay to keep such upsetting individuals[azzholes]
-far away from my sanctuary!
The End.
Lmao!

Hmmm ...

That's tough to navigate valeris as i imagine we all have our blindspots ie delusions that we hold on to because of the comfort that we imagine it brings us.

I suspect even I fall in that category.

Yikes!

Not "particularly" religious these days.....but for some reason
Matthew 7:1-3 just resurfaced from grade school bible study.

I make my judgement on the available evidence,
sometimes I go mental and allow my emotions to deny such evidence,
or I refuse to look further because of my emotional attachment to my judged truth.

That’s my opinion and I am sticking to it!

My guess is that passion has a stickiness about it

This! ^^^

I agree with how people perceive 'judgemental' based on a subjective standard



I would simplify, that for me anyway, there is judgment of actions and words,, and judgement of people

the latter is the 'judgmental' that should be steered clear of,, although its very much common to the culture and hard to completely avoid

its like the 'therefore' that labels the individual AFTER one judges the actions or words


for instance



'it was wrong for the man to curse at the child'(that judges the actions and is applicable regardless of who is being spoken of}


"therefore the man is evil" (That is a judgment of the individual , with very little information about them besides one choice in one moment of their lives)

Opinion:
"it was wrong for the man to curse at the child'(that judges[?] the actions and is applicable regardless of who is being spoken of}

Judgement:
"therefore the man is evil" (That is a judgment of the individual , with very little information about them besides one choice in one moment of their lives)
*
Opinion:
In My Opinion = "it was/is wrong for the man to curse at the child"

Judgement:
"therefore the man is evil" (That is a judgment of the individual , with very little information about them besides one choice in one moment of their lives)"

"By Georges, I think she's Got It!"

Well according to that scripture, we should avoid judging at all , especially if we are guilty of the same offense we are judging others on.

Easier said than done huh? Sigh...

I'm looking to be patientent with someone

Actually, that Scripture doesn't say that we are to never judge, but rather, that we are to be careful when judging, because we ourselves will be judged by the same standard that we judge others by. In other words, "Do as I say and not as I do" won't be accepted.

I think many of us are inclined to get emotiinally attached to the issues we are debating , making it difficult to be open minded and objective in our assessments.

I.admire your honesty about it Simplycomplicated :)

one of the most misunderstood verses, I think


thank you dodo

Yeah I recognise this is a tricky issue.

I think the balance lies in making an effort to be attentive to other people's views on an issue whether we agree on it or not and that we are not quick to condemn views that are different to ours as wrong.

In some cases,other people's views are just different , as opposed to being wrong or inferior to others.

I think even if a person feels judged because they feel vulnerable in the particular issue being discussed, at least an effort was made to be compassionate and respectful.

The world could do with a lot more of that I think :)

I cant remember if someone brought the point that you just raised somewhere else in this thread, but its a great point MsH.

Judging a person' s actions should be clearly differentiated from judging their character. There is usually not enough information presented with one action to judge a person's entire character.

You are also right in alluding to the fact that our culture is predisposed towards lumping the judgment of an act with judgment of a person's character based on an act or word, which is less than fair.

Agreed

We should all try to be a lot more patient with others Ashlvspssy.

That would make a world of differencevin our assessment of people and issues :)

John 8:7 is not without merit here either