Topic: Update: the Steven Avery trial.
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Thu 03/17/16 04:09 PM
There’s evidence to suggest that Teresa Halbach’s bones might not have been hers after all



This just in: There’s been a surprising new twist in the Steven Avery trial. There’s a chance the charred bones found in Avery’s yard—the ones that allegedly belonged to Teresa Halbach—might not actually be hers.

DNA expert Sherry Culhane testified on the matter during Avery’s trial, saying that the partial profile of the bones matched Teresa’s standard. Now, Lynne Blanchard of Stop Wrongful Convictions is calling out the evidence as questionable, and thinks there might be more to the story. Since Culhane only had a partial profile, it cannot be conclusive that the DNA is a perfect match to Teresa’s.

The bone fragments were allegedly found in Avery’s burn pit. Blanchard points out that nobody photographed the collection process—they were just put into boxes and taken away to a crime lab. Technically, the discovery was never documented. In addition, the descriptions of the bones have varied from testimony to testimony.

“Since the scene wasn’t documented, there is no proof that any bones were ever on the Avery property,” Blanchard writes. “As well, the Manitowoc County coroner was forbidden from entering the scene and none of the forensic experts were summoned until after the bones had been removed. We are to simply accept the word of the state witnesses who claimed to see the bones.”

We still don’t know what really happened—sadly, we may never know—but it definitely makes an already poorly-handled case even more fishy. Why wasn’t protocol followed? Where were the forensic anthropologist and the photographer when the evidence was discovered? Many believe that Manitowoc County officials were trying to frame Avery, and this kind of evidence doesn’t help matters.

“The DNA evidence should have been reported more generally as ‘Teresa Halbach can not be excluded as source,’” Blanchard continued. “How is it even possible for tissue to survive a fire that disintegrated 60% of the bone mass? The teeth which are commonly used to identify a body because they outlast bone didn’t even survive the fire. Something’s wrong and it becomes difficult to accept this evidence as presented.”

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Thu 03/17/16 11:31 PM
Can you enlighten the unlearned about this case?

I've very little, or no memory of it.

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Fri 03/18/16 02:50 PM
Avery was the guy just recently released from prison after DNA proved his innocence of a murder. He was set up again by the Sheriff on another murder recently and was arrested again.
Sassy should remember this guy.

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Fri 03/18/16 03:54 PM
Edited by LittleLeftofRight on Fri 03/18/16 04:39 PM

There’s evidence to suggest that Teresa Halbach’s bones might not have been hers after all



This just in: There’s been a surprising new twist in the Steven Avery trial. There’s a chance the charred bones found in Avery’s yard—the ones that allegedly belonged to Teresa Halbach—might not actually be hers.

DNA expert Sherry Culhane testified on the matter during Avery’s trial, saying that the partial profile of the bones matched Teresa’s standard. Now, Lynne Blanchard of Stop Wrongful Convictions is calling out the evidence as questionable, and thinks there might be more to the story. Since Culhane only had a partial profile, it cannot be conclusive that the DNA is a perfect match to Teresa’s.

The bone fragments were allegedly found in Avery’s burn pit. Blanchard points out that nobody photographed the collection process—they were just put into boxes and taken away to a crime lab. Technically, the discovery was never documented. In addition, the descriptions of the bones have varied from testimony to testimony.

“Since the scene wasn’t documented, there is no proof that any bones were ever on the Avery property,” Blanchard writes. “As well, the Manitowoc County coroner was forbidden from entering the scene and none of the forensic experts were summoned until after the bones had been removed. We are to simply accept the word of the state witnesses who claimed to see the bones.”

We still don’t know what really happened—sadly, we may never know—but it definitely makes an already poorly-handled case even more fishy. Why wasn’t protocol followed? Where were the forensic anthropologist and the photographer when the evidence was discovered? Many believe that Manitowoc County officials were trying to frame Avery, and this kind of evidence doesn’t help matters.

“The DNA evidence should have been reported more generally as ‘Teresa Halbach can not be excluded as source,’” Blanchard continued. “How is it even possible for tissue to survive a fire that disintegrated 60% of the bone mass? The teeth which are commonly used to identify a body because they outlast bone didn’t even survive the fire. Something’s wrong and it becomes difficult to accept this evidence as presented.”




America has the government (or lack of it) that it deserves.

Despite there are many cases like this that prove the point, I refrain from posting here for the most because of the juvenile cognitive dissonant approach and outright denial to government high crimes and conspiracy.

Since this one is PROVEN beyond juvenile political denial from those who simply cannot accept the negative side of the world around them I'll be happy to elaborate on only a few of literally volumes of points to add to the one you listed above.

Anytime investigations, like avery, attorney general fine, murrah, waco, 911, tonkin, our latest depression/financial debacle, and so forth, are wrought with more negligence than fact where nothing adds up the gubmint is square in the middle of it.

Despite the fact that had anyone bothered to read a statute 1 that the states duty is to protect the state, a piece of paper, (which they do very well), 'the people', just because the name has been illegitimately used in the various constitutions, have the misguided perception it is the states duty to protect them. Well its not. (see the Deshaney case case and others) The state has the duty to protect itself not you EXCEPT where its convenient to state agenda.



For the avery case; first he was setup and wrongfully convicted of rape he did not commit, forced to serve 18years before being exonerated.

Manitowoc was on the hook for a 34 million settlement to avery that would have caused a national shake down of the judicial/legal industry.

Halbach was allegedly murdered immediately after lenk and colburn depositions were taken. [we dont even know for sure she is really dead]

Halbachs rav4 was conveniently parked on the farthest seldom used side of the lot where someone could drive the field unnoticed then covered up so averys wouldnt notice it. (bone yards customarily put vehicles where people have been mashed so bad they cannot be removed in the back of the yards due to the smell)

Nonetheless the rav 4 was covered up and no one would have been capable of seeing it driven in from the house.

We are to believe that despite the averys had a car crusher and could destroy the car so it was completely unrecognizable that instead they would park it on the far end of the lot out of site from the house.

We are to believe according to the state that avery would burn the body not only in his back yard but also in barrels and also transported it to a gravel pit a mile away from the house and burn some of it there, despite they had an incinerator.

We are to believe that the only dna found on the key was averys despite no dna was found from halbach on the key.

We are to believe that the sample of blood taken from avery and held by the state despite being tampered with and having a torn seal and needle puncture hole in it was not the blood found smeared on the rav4.

The prosecution used dramatized exaggerated inflammatory language to the press and news media to publicly convict him.

Manitowok was not allowed to be involved in the investigation due to conflict of interest, but they were anyway.

The fbi presented a false implication edta.

Averys gf called and talked with him for 10+ minutes during the time he allegedly did this murder.

There was no evidence what so ever of halbract being in averys trailer despite the prosecution trumpeted over the media that he shackled her anc cut her throat and stabbed her on the bed.

They claim a .22 cal 'slug' went all the way through her head and landed under the compressor in the garage based on 'casings' laying around the garage that tested to be fired through that gun.

Dna on the slug was tested so it cannot be retested and was contaminated by in the lab which should have been thrown out but it was used anyway.

a couple seen avery in town at the same time he was claimed to have murdered this gal.

The appelate court simply dodged the appeal. (Prison industry is HUGE money)

Finally a juror was quoted to say not only did they have a couple ringers but that they were in fear of their lives...."If they can do that to him they can do that to me"

Yes conspiracies happen all the time in America and those who would scream tin foil theorist without hard evidence proving the contrary are complicit in its promotion.


There is no end to the problems with this case. Same MO as jfk, okc, waco, 911, etc etc etc......






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Fri 03/18/16 04:32 PM

Avery was the guy just recently released from prison after DNA proved his innocence of a murder. He was set up again by the Sheriff on another murder recently and was arrested again.
Sassy should remember this guy.


Geez..I am racking my brain. None of it rings a bell.....

Searching... Now ..spock

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Fri 03/18/16 04:55 PM
Edited by LittleLeftofRight on Fri 03/18/16 05:07 PM

Avery was the guy just recently released from prison after DNA proved his innocence of a murder. He was set up again by the Sheriff on another murder recently and was arrested again.
Sassy should remember this guy.


Its BIG as in HUGE business!

Its so HUGE you can even trade it on the new york stock exchange! Hey more prisoners more more return on the investments!

Type: Public, Traded as NYSE: CXW



Corrections Corporation of America (CCA) is a company that owns and manages private prisons and detention centers and operates others on a concession basis. Co-founded by Thomas W. Beasley, a leader in the Republican Party, Doctor Robert Crants, and T. Don Hutto in 1983, it received initial investments from Hospital Corporation of America's founder Jack C. Massey, the Tennessee Valley Authority, and Vanderbilt University.[2]

As of 2015, the company is the largest private corrections company in the United States. It manages more than 65 correctional and detention facilities with a capacity of more than 90,000 beds in 19 states and the District of Columbia.[3] The company’s revenue in 2012 exceeded more than $1.7 billion.[4]

Controversies related to the company include: treatment of inmates and disclosure of oversight, lobbying efforts to conceal details of operations, a lawsuit about gang influence in Idaho prison and substantial falsification of records, co-operation with local law enforcement in a school drug sweep, and the deadly 2012 riot in a Mississippi facility.[5]





The One Thing About Steven Avery's Case You Shouldn't Forget

Given the attention Making A Murderer has received, it's no wonder that Steven Avery's case is mesmerizing the masses. How could a man be charged of a crime, be convicted, and have DNA exonerate him, just to be charged and convicted for a totally different crime just over two years later? Given that Friday is the 9-year anniversary of his conviction, the one thing you shouldn't forget about Steven Avery's case is how common what happened to him during this first case actually is. According to the National Registry of Exonerations, last year, 149 people were exonerated in the United States, which is more than ever before — 58 (also a record) were exonerated of homicide specifically.
http://www.bustle.com/articles/147961-the-one-thing-about-steven-averys-case-you-shouldnt-forget







If that isnt bad enough here you have a guy with an iq of 75 writing his own appeal. He has the right cause but the wrong evidence in support of the cause, hence they will hand him his *** once again and he will be denied the ability to refile.

http://www.thewrap.com/making-a-murderer-steven-avery-files-new-appeal/






finally he hired a new attorney

Avery hired Kathleen Zellner as his attorney at the beginning of January

Steven Avery’s new attorney, Kathleen Zellner, plans to use “advanced luminol testing to exonerate Avery.”

The official Twitter page for Netflix’s “Making a Murderer,” which chronicles the trial and conviction of Avery in the murder of Teresa Halbach, disclosed the plans for the advanced testing.

According to the Bureau of Criminal Apprehension, luminol testing is used to detect blood in large areas that can’t be seen during the visual examination. “Scientists can take advantage of the luminol reaction to locate potential blood evidence that would be undetectable through visual examination. The light, or luminescence, emitted in the luminol reaction is thought to result when an oxidizing agent, such as blood, catalyzes the oxidation of luminol by hydrogen peroxide in a basic solution.”

Also Read: 'Making a Murderer': Who Is Steven Avery's New Lawyer Kathleen Zellner?

Avery hired Zellner in January, who says there’s “new evidence” to present, and that she’s “confident” that Avery’s murder conviction will be overturned.

In a statement provided to TheWrap, Illinois-based attorney Zellner said, “We are continuing to examine every aspect of Mr. Avery’s case and all of his legal options. We are confident Mr. Avery’s conviction will be vacated when we present the new evidence and results of our work to the appropriate court.”

Wisconsin resident Avery is currently in prison for the murder of photographer Halbach. He continues to maintain his innocence, and the case has gained worldwide attention since the December premiere of the Netflix documentary series “Making a Murderer.”

Also Read: 'Making a Murderer' Prosecutor to Write Tell-All Book

Attorney Dean Strang, who represented Avery during his murder trial, told TheWrap in January that a “mass” of potential new evidence has emerged since the “Making a Murderer” premiere. Strang cited “leads, ideas [and] possibilities that have arrived in a mass from emails and calls since the film came out.”

Zellner’s firm specializes in reversing wrongful convictions. Her clients have included Joseph H. Burrows, who was sentenced to death for the murder of Illinois farmer William E. Dulin before being exonerated.

Zellner and the former prosecutor in Avery’s case, Ken Kratz, have not yet responded to TheWrap’s request for comment.






and that is only the beginning, it does not end with avery!

They also trapped brendan dassey a retarded 16 year old and sentenced him to life for a murder he did not commit.

This goes on at all levels of gubmint and mostly kept hush hush in the media about the gubmints involvement.

Whats the solution when they can pick people who go against them off one by one as they are doing and they can do the same to you!





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Fri 03/18/16 05:18 PM
LittleLeftofRight,

Can you please try to stick to JUST the Avery case?
I don't need an education on luminal testing or a reminder that most inmates have a low IQ. offtopic

Just the facts as it stands for him NOW. I will do my own search.
Please don't hijack the thread.

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Fri 03/18/16 05:42 PM
Edited by LittleLeftofRight on Fri 03/18/16 06:01 PM
Thanks so much for your concern but would you please pay attention:

Topic: Update: the Steven Avery trial.

From the OP:
There’s a chance the charred bones found in Avery’s yard—the ones that allegedly belonged to Teresa Halbach—might not actually be hers.


As you can see the topic is about corruption which is well within normal thread drift when proving points on complex subjects. the subject matter is the state may have switched and tampered with evidence so I cant imagine how you think any of my posts are off topic.

By all means dont let my posts stop you from doing your own research.

Unless of course you want to deprive me of voicing my opinion and the scope of the corruption under discussion? Is that it?




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Fri 03/18/16 05:59 PM

Thanks so much for your concern but would you please pay attention:

Topic: Update: the Steven Avery trial.

By all means dont let my posts stop you from doing your own research.

Unless of course you want to deprive me of voicing my opinion and the scope of the corruption under discussion? Is that it?







Well.. I was going to ask for for links on the first victim. Because that life/ past of her's & who she knew..that she should not have know, is why he is the fall guy.

But never mind...she may have been a Jew.


Ohhhh Im sorry. Please, PLEASE dont sue me. :laughing:

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Fri 03/18/16 06:01 PM
rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl

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Fri 03/18/16 06:05 PM
You said nothing libelous :wink:

Here: http://www.innocenceproject.org/cases-false-imprisonment/steven-avery

Steven Avery, at the age of 22, was wrongfully convicted of rape. He spent almost twenty years in prison before being exonerated through DNA testing.

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On July 29, 1985, at approximately 3:50 p.m., Penny Ann Beernsten was out running along the Lake Michigan shoreline and was apprehended by an unknown man who forced her into a wooded area and sexually assaulted her.



Investigation and Trial

Based on a physical description of Beernsten’s attacker, police provided a photo array of nine men. Beernsten selected the photograph of Steven Avery, who was arrested the following day.

At trial, Beernsten identified Avery as her attacker. A state forensic examiner testified that a hair recovered from a shirt of Avery’s was consistent with Beernsten’s hair.

Avery presented 16 alibi witnesses, including the clerk of a store in Green Bay, Wisconsin, who recalled Avery, accompanied by his wife and five children, buying paint from the store. A checkout tape put the purchase at 5:13 p.m. Beernsten put the attack at 3:50 p.m. and estimated it lasted 15 minutes, which meant that Avery would have had to leave the scene of the attack, walk a mile to the nearest parking area, drive home, load his family into the car, and drive 45 miles in just over an hour.

The jury deliberated for only four hours and convicted Avery almost exclusively on the eyewitness account, on December 14, 1985. He was sentenced to 32 years in prison.



Post-Conviction Investigation



After losing several appeals, a petition for DNA testing was granted in 1995 and showed that scrapings taken of Beernsten’s fingernails contained the DNA of an unknown person. The tests were unable to eliminate Avery, however, and a motion for a new trial was denied.



In April of 2002, attorneys for the Wisconsin Innocence Project obtained a court order for DNA testing of 13 hairs recovered from Beernsten at the time of the crime. The state crime laboratory reported that, using the FBI DNA database, it had linked a hair to Gregory Allen, a convicted felon who bore a striking resemblance to Avery. Allen was then serving a 60-year prison term for a sexual assault in Green Bay that occurred after the attack on Beernsten.

On September 11, 2003, a request brought by the Manitowoc District Attorney’s Office and the Wisconsin Innocence Project to dismiss the charges was granted and Avery was released.

In 2005, with support from Beernsten and Avery, the Wisconsin Department of Justice adopted a model eyewitness identification protocol.

On October 31, 2005, 25-year-old Teresa Halbach was murdered. Avery and his nephew were convicted in separate trials and were both sentenced to life in prison.
- See more at: http://www.innocenceproject.org/cases-false-imprisonment/steven-avery#sthash.yjLyHrhD.dpuf

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Fri 03/18/16 06:23 PM
Edited by LittleLeftofRight on Fri 03/18/16 06:27 PM


Well.. I was going to ask for for links


http://www.postcrescent.com/story/news/2015/12/22/whos-who-steven-avery-case/77763356/

Oh and keep in mind that the Manitowok sheriffs department were made fully aware that allen confessed to the rape but did absolutely nothing about it to get avery out. You might have to watch the trial in the netflix film to see that.