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Im bored enough to be browsing memes,,,at least until Im motivated to run todays errands,,lol anyway,, this one seems fitting 
the blacks are the ones not letting this happen... 'the blacks' are the ones pointing out that it isn't happening ,,and 'the whites' are too, and 'the yellows' and 'the reds',, and anyone with the gift of perception |
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You've misunderstood what you describe. Even Lincoln didn't believe the war was over slavery.
Yes he did. There was no question of it. The seceding states proclaimed that they were doing so in order to preserve slavery. What you have quoted and misunderstood, is that Lincoln intended to stop the dissolution of the Union no matter what. That was the point he was making, not that he wanted slavery to continue. You are partly correct about the reason why the Proclamation was issued, but ONLY partially. Since slaves were prevented from knowing that it had been issued, it was hardly useful as a tool to encourage slave uprisings. The Confederacy sure didn't publish it, or allow any slaves to hear of it from them. It was more to help sustain the North's will to continue the war. The reason why slaves were not freed in the areas already under Union control, was to avoid disruptions behind the lines. Not sure what you are asking here: If the South was fighting to preserve slavery, why didn't they declare victory after the ultimatum and go home?
Why didn't the SOUTH declare victory? They couldn't, since they were losing, and the Union armies would continue to fight them until the Union was restored, per Lincoln. Why didn't the NORTH declare victory? Because the South hadn't surrendered, and none of the states had rescinded their articles of secession. Not sure what's your Point! i think the point is that he's really smart... Yea, a smart a$$. 
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You've misunderstood what you describe. Even Lincoln didn't believe the war was over slavery.
Yes he did. There was no question of it. The seceding states proclaimed that they were doing so in order to preserve slavery. What you have quoted and misunderstood, is that Lincoln intended to stop the dissolution of the Union no matter what. That was the point he was making, not that he wanted slavery to continue. You are partly correct about the reason why the Proclamation was issued, but ONLY partially. Since slaves were prevented from knowing that it had been issued, it was hardly useful as a tool to encourage slave uprisings. The Confederacy sure didn't publish it, or allow any slaves to hear of it from them. It was more to help sustain the North's will to continue the war. The reason why slaves were not freed in the areas already under Union control, was to avoid disruptions behind the lines. Not sure what you are asking here: If the South was fighting to preserve slavery, why didn't they declare victory after the ultimatum and go home?
Why didn't the SOUTH declare victory? They couldn't, since they were losing, and the Union armies would continue to fight them until the Union was restored, per Lincoln. Why didn't the NORTH declare victory? Because the South hadn't surrendered, and none of the states had rescinded their articles of secession. Not sure what's your Point! i think the point is that he's really smart... and showing he hasn't read the damn Articles!
Actually, pointing out that YOU haven't read or understood what you yourself have been quoting. And I am really smart, but only people who think like ten year olds think that's pertinent to any discussion. Bottom line, there's no way to claim that the Confederacy wasn't all about fighting for slavery, without lying. Understanding the reasoning behind how various politicians of the time dealt with various issues (i.e. why they said exactly whatever they said at the time), requires actual research, a lot of it, and real work, not impeded by your own prejudices. No evidence here that you've done any of that. so,according to you,ALL Southerners were Slaveholders? Read the Articles,then grumble,not before,as you usually do! |
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You've misunderstood what you describe. Even Lincoln didn't believe the war was over slavery.
Yes he did. There was no question of it. The seceding states proclaimed that they were doing so in order to preserve slavery. What you have quoted and misunderstood, is that Lincoln intended to stop the dissolution of the Union no matter what. That was the point he was making, not that he wanted slavery to continue. You are partly correct about the reason why the Proclamation was issued, but ONLY partially. Since slaves were prevented from knowing that it had been issued, it was hardly useful as a tool to encourage slave uprisings. The Confederacy sure didn't publish it, or allow any slaves to hear of it from them. It was more to help sustain the North's will to continue the war. The reason why slaves were not freed in the areas already under Union control, was to avoid disruptions behind the lines. Not sure what you are asking here: If the South was fighting to preserve slavery, why didn't they declare victory after the ultimatum and go home?
Why didn't the SOUTH declare victory? They couldn't, since they were losing, and the Union armies would continue to fight them until the Union was restored, per Lincoln. Why didn't the NORTH declare victory? Because the South hadn't surrendered, and none of the states had rescinded their articles of secession. Not sure what's your Point! i think the point is that he's really smart... and showing he hasn't read the damn Articles!
Actually, pointing out that YOU haven't read or understood what you yourself have been quoting. And I am really smart, but only people who think like ten year olds think that's pertinent to any discussion. Bottom line, there's no way to claim that the Confederacy wasn't all about fighting for slavery, without lying. Understanding the reasoning behind how various politicians of the time dealt with various issues (i.e. why they said exactly whatever they said at the time), requires actual research, a lot of it, and real work, not impeded by your own prejudices. No evidence here that you've done any of that. That is the biggest bunch of shinola I have read in a while.....on all counts! |
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Texas decleration of causes to secede
'We hold as undeniable truths that the governments of the various States, and of the confederacy itself, were established exclusively by the white race, for themselves and their posterity; that the African race had no agency in their establishment; that they were rightfully held and regarded as an inferior and dependent race, and in that condition only could their existence in this country be rendered beneficial or tolerable.' Mississippi declearation of causes to secede 'Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world' ...yeah, slavery did seem to play a pretty MAJOR part of things,,lol |
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What Lincoln's thought's on slavery or whether he was going to abolish it before the war is irrelevant. It is an item of conjecture alone.
The truth is, Lincoln didn't start the war, South Carolina did. So to find the motivations of the Civil War, one does not look at Lincoln, one looks at the factors that caused the first shots to be fired. One might also point out that the letters of secession were already drafted by the Southern states before the war broke out, which means that Lincoln had nothing to do with the Confederacy's formation or the reasons behind - short of being elected, and even then, his pre-war objectives in office can only be a matter of a guess, as he was dealing with secessions which started to take place before he was sworn into office. The use of his tactics and methods can be debated, but the question must remain: "Were they used for the purpose of winning the war or for a private agenda?" When held to that standard, these claims fall away pretty fast. |
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Edited by
Conrad_73
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Mon 10/19/15 07:34 AM
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Im bored enough to be browsing memes,,,at least until Im motivated to run todays errands,,lol anyway,, this one seems fitting
the blacks are the ones not letting this happen... 'the blacks' are the ones pointing out that it isn't happening ,,and 'the whites' are too, and 'the yellows' and 'the reds',, and anyone with the gift of perception In any case where perception is insufficient dash and or BODYCAM footage will be excepted as a suitable substitute. |
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Im bored enough to be browsing memes,,,at least until Im motivated to run todays errands,,lol anyway,, this one seems fitting
the blacks are the ones not letting this happen... 'the blacks' are the ones pointing out that it isn't happening ,,and 'the whites' are too, and 'the yellows' and 'the reds',, and anyone with the gift of perception "perception" is biased... everyone perceives things differently, and blacks like to think everything is about race when it isn't... even if two black people are trying for the same job, the one that didn't get will tell everyone it's because they black, instead of saying the other black got the job... |
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Im bored enough to be browsing memes,,,at least until Im motivated to run todays errands,,lol anyway,, this one seems fitting
the blacks are the ones not letting this happen... 'the blacks' are the ones pointing out that it isn't happening ,,and 'the whites' are too, and 'the yellows' and 'the reds',, and anyone with the gift of perception In any case where perception is insufficient dash and or BODYCAM footage will be excepted as a suitable substitute. yea, like the white kid they shot for flashing his high beams, which isn't even illegal... damn racist cops... |
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Im bored enough to be browsing memes,,,at least until Im motivated to run todays errands,,lol anyway,, this one seems fitting
the blacks are the ones not letting this happen... 'the blacks' are the ones pointing out that it isn't happening ,,and 'the whites' are too, and 'the yellows' and 'the reds',, and anyone with the gift of perception In any case where perception is insufficient dash and or BODYCAM footage will be excepted as a suitable substitute. yea, like the white kid they shot for flashing his high beams, which isn't even illegal... damn racist cops... they aren't all racist mighty, there are also some that are just bullies and butholes |
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Im bored enough to be browsing memes,,,at least until Im motivated to run todays errands,,lol anyway,, this one seems fitting
the blacks are the ones not letting this happen... 'the blacks' are the ones pointing out that it isn't happening ,,and 'the whites' are too, and 'the yellows' and 'the reds',, and anyone with the gift of perception In any case where perception is insufficient dash and or BODYCAM footage will be excepted as a suitable substitute. yea, like the white kid they shot for flashing his high beams, which isn't even illegal... damn racist cops... they aren't all racist mighty, there are also some that are just bullies and butholes yea, thats how they are taught... it was a white cop that shot/killed him... https://www.rt.com/usa/311907-family-white-teen-killed-police/ |
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There is a very common element in discussions (and rants) such as this, which is too often overlooked.
That is, that many of the intense resentments (and insults from certain posters) actually don't come directly from the immediate facts being mentioned, but from a number of concerns which those who are so viciously griping have forgotten to mention. One example, is that a lot of we Southerners have grown up being told that our forefathers were "evil" because of slavery, and that therefore we deserve to be punished for their "sins." And that the forefathers of the North, were all pure as the driven snow. Not a very good way to garner positive support for the "reforms," however well intentioned or even correct they may be. One behavior very common to all humans, is to reject entirely, any push for change from someone who claims to have no defects of their own, despite such defects being plainly evident to us. Some who see this, look for reasons to reject the self-righteous condemnations of those who criticize us, and being sloppy ourselves, some choose to go too far, and to proclaim that our real misbehaviors are not only justifiable, but exactly correct, or at least entirely to be blamed on those who we continue to abuse. And the same defect of thinking results in our critics failing to see their own mistakes, and to themselves become even more self-righteous, and so the cycle escalates negatively on both sides. Hence discussions like this, devolve into personal attacks, and pitiful attempts to justify the most ludicrous positions, often posting links to obviously intensely biased "sources" which make it all into a sham. |
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