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Topic: World War III Europe. Irishman's perspective.
FrankD670's photo
Mon 08/31/15 02:14 PM
This is a bit of a read, I hope you enjoy .... your thoughts are welcome.

Ok, I'm not sure if you've heard the talk of the possibility of a WWIII coming soon but It's NOT. It's been going on for a Decade and NOBODY has even realized it !!!
The reason no-one realizes it is simple, they don't recognize it. Why?, you say, "How would we not recognize war?".
It is because it is not a traditional war ... they did it in reverse. What's more, although most don't even know it has started, it is almost over ... and we have very nearly LOST!
In WWII you had a war we recognize because it was the natural order of WAR.
First: Invade with a military force.
Second: Take control of the Government and politicians.
Third: Take control of the finances
But they have changed the rules ....
In WWIII the natural order of War has changed or reversed, if you will..
First: Take control of finances through bank collapse and subsequent bailouts.
Second: Take control of governments and politicians with demands attached to said bailouts.
Third: Threat of Military force against any Non-compliant countries as a last resort.
Most will think step three is not possible but this option was included in the "Fiscal Compact" which we voted in favor of with the political cry, "There is NO other way", while the fine print in the deal told us otherwise.The same inane reasoning was used for the subsequent bank bailout, "There is no other way". Under the fiscal compact, any country who becomes non-compliant with the austerity measures handed down, can have their government completely replaced by Europe. The threat of military action was not denied by Sarkosy in a letter to Van Rumpoy from himself and Angela Merkle.
" Sarkozy was opaque on whether such “enforcement” would involve military action or invasion of the offending countries"- http://www.thenewamerican.com/…/16624-merkozy-letter-to-eu-…
This is bad enough, Europe having complete control of each individual nation, with a single Government but this is not the end of it.
We now have the Trans-Pacific Partnership or TPP, which will, in one stroke of the pen, give Corporations control over sovereign nations and governments, and that includes the future single European government. Under this trade deal, corporations will be able to sue countries for loss of "Predicted future profits" if their bottom line is affected by either non-compliance or laws and legislation wanting to be passed by governments for the good of the people that would be deemed negative to the corporate bottom line. This in essence gives the power of law, legislation and the rules of trade to the corporations. This IS the definition of the "Corporate takeover".
If things were to go this far (and we're very nearly there) the option of "Revolution" for any individual nation will be met with overwhelming force. By this time the ONLY way through is a united European Revolution - WAR ! But this will be a WAR by each individual nation against Their Own Governments and the Corporations controlling them and it will need to be done simultaneously to work. The other option is to end up fighting FOR THEM.
We will get our traditional War one way or the other because if we do not fight the fight we need to fight, we will end up fighting the fight we DO NOT want to fight.
Full Scale WAR with America/Europe on one side and Russia/China on the other. Even Ireland will be brought into this because we are NOT a sovereign nation any more and neither are we a Neutral country.
If we are going to fight, why not fight NOW, for what we have, for the people of our nation and not for the good of faceless corporations and all they want.
Spread the awareness, TPP has to be Stopped and so does our Government of treacherous Yes men. We are running out of time but one way or another, it's getting time to "Baton down the Hatches"!

mightymoe's photo
Mon 08/31/15 02:24 PM

This is a bit of a read, I hope you enjoy .... your thoughts are welcome.

Ok, I'm not sure if you've heard the talk of the possibility of a WWIII coming soon but It's NOT. It's been going on for a Decade and NOBODY has even realized it !!!
The reason no-one realizes it is simple, they don't recognize it. Why?, you say, "How would we not recognize war?".
It is because it is not a traditional war ... they did it in reverse. What's more, although most don't even know it has started, it is almost over ... and we have very nearly LOST!
In WWII you had a war we recognize because it was the natural order of WAR.
First: Invade with a military force.
Second: Take control of the Government and politicians.
Third: Take control of the finances
But they have changed the rules ....
In WWIII the natural order of War has changed or reversed, if you will..
First: Take control of finances through bank collapse and subsequent bailouts.
Second: Take control of governments and politicians with demands attached to said bailouts.
Third: Threat of Military force against any Non-compliant countries as a last resort.
Most will think step three is not possible but this option was included in the "Fiscal Compact" which we voted in favor of with the political cry, "There is NO other way", while the fine print in the deal told us otherwise.The same inane reasoning was used for the subsequent bank bailout, "There is no other way". Under the fiscal compact, any country who becomes non-compliant with the austerity measures handed down, can have their government completely replaced by Europe. The threat of military action was not denied by Sarkosy in a letter to Van Rumpoy from himself and Angela Merkle.
" Sarkozy was opaque on whether such “enforcement” would involve military action or invasion of the offending countries"- http://www.thenewamerican.com/…/16624-merkozy-letter-to-eu-…
This is bad enough, Europe having complete control of each individual nation, with a single Government but this is not the end of it.
We now have the Trans-Pacific Partnership or TPP, which will, in one stroke of the pen, give Corporations control over sovereign nations and governments, and that includes the future single European government. Under this trade deal, corporations will be able to sue countries for loss of "Predicted future profits" if their bottom line is affected by either non-compliance or laws and legislation wanting to be passed by governments for the good of the people that would be deemed negative to the corporate bottom line. This in essence gives the power of law, legislation and the rules of trade to the corporations. This IS the definition of the "Corporate takeover".
If things were to go this far (and we're very nearly there) the option of "Revolution" for any individual nation will be met with overwhelming force. By this time the ONLY way through is a united European Revolution - WAR ! But this will be a WAR by each individual nation against Their Own Governments and the Corporations controlling them and it will need to be done simultaneously to work. The other option is to end up fighting FOR THEM.
We will get our traditional War one way or the other because if we do not fight the fight we need to fight, we will end up fighting the fight we DO NOT want to fight.
Full Scale WAR with America/Europe on one side and Russia/China on the other. Even Ireland will be brought into this because we are NOT a sovereign nation any more and neither are we a Neutral country.
If we are going to fight, why not fight NOW, for what we have, for the people of our nation and not for the good of faceless corporations and all they want.
Spread the awareness, TPP has to be Stopped and so does our Government of treacherous Yes men. We are running out of time but one way or another, it's getting time to "Baton down the Hatches"!


what was Ireland's position during WW2? they weren't exactly on our side, were they?

FrankD670's photo
Mon 08/31/15 02:57 PM
Ireland was on nobody's "Side" during WWII, we were a neutral country.
And if that's the entirety of what you got from the piece, you missed the whole point.
btw I am assuming you mean the "Our" side you mean the Allies and not just America and also assuming you are talking about our government, as opposed to the many Irish soldiers who died fighting the Germans.


mightymoe's photo
Mon 08/31/15 03:06 PM

Ireland was on nobody's "Side" during WWII, we were a neutral country.
And if that's the entirety of what you got from the piece, you missed the whole point.
btw I am assuming you mean the "Our" side you mean the Allies and not just America and also assuming you are talking about our government, as opposed to the many Irish soldiers who died fighting the Germans.



no, i got what you are saying, and i agree with it... the "Elites" right now want depopulation, and are working towards that end... there's just not much anyone can do about it...

but neutrality isn't always that, even tho your soldiers died in WW2 being neutral and all...

Dodo_David's photo
Mon 08/31/15 03:11 PM
We now have the Trans-Pacific Partnership or TPP, which will, in one stroke of the pen, give Corporations control over sovereign nations and governments, and that includes the future single European government.


rofl The TPP pertains to nations that border the Pacific Ocean. Plus, it doesn't eliminate any nation's sovereignty.

Also, the claim that Europe will have a single government is quite silly.

mightymoe's photo
Mon 08/31/15 03:14 PM

We now have the Trans-Pacific Partnership or TPP, which will, in one stroke of the pen, give Corporations control over sovereign nations and governments, and that includes the future single European government.


rofl The TPP pertains to nations that border the Pacific Ocean. Plus, it doesn't eliminate any nation's sovereignty.

Also, the claim that Europe will have a single government is quite silly.


agenda 21, read up... the pope is supposed to be promoting it in September when he addresses congress...

Ladywind7's photo
Mon 08/31/15 03:19 PM
Interesting theory.
It is the clandestine underworld of politicians at their best in our so called democratic country that has many appalled here in New Zealand.
TPP should be bought out in the open if they have nothing to hide.

mightymoe's photo
Mon 08/31/15 03:25 PM

Interesting theory.
It is the clandestine underworld of politicians at their best in our so called democratic country that has many appalled here in New Zealand.
TPP should be bought out in the open if they have nothing to hide.


democrats lie about everything, worldwide, i guess...ohwell

in the famous words of Nancy Pelosi - "you'll just have to read it if you wanna know whats in it"....

(3rd top democrat in the US at the time)

she was "for the people" ... mad

Ladywind7's photo
Mon 08/31/15 03:47 PM


Interesting theory.
It is the clandestine underworld of politicians at their best in our so called democratic country that has many appalled here in New Zealand.
TPP should be bought out in the open if they have nothing to hide.


democrats lie about everything, worldwide, i guess...ohwell

in the famous words of Nancy Pelosi - "you'll just have to read it if you wanna know whats in it"....

(3rd top democrat in the US at the time)

she was "for the people" ... mad


No surprises there. whoa
You should have seen the uproar here about sending troops to the Middle East.

Seriously our Government is a joke
A 7 minute video of our leaders debating in Parliament and our democratic ways.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/national/news/video.cfm?c_id=1503075&gal_cid=1503075&gallery_id=148274

Dodo_David's photo
Mon 08/31/15 03:49 PM


We now have the Trans-Pacific Partnership or TPP, which will, in one stroke of the pen, give Corporations control over sovereign nations and governments, and that includes the future single European government.


rofl The TPP pertains to nations that border the Pacific Ocean. Plus, it doesn't eliminate any nation's sovereignty.

Also, the claim that Europe will have a single government is quite silly.


agenda 21, read up... the pope is supposed to be promoting it in September when he addresses congress...


rofl

I don't know how you Humans manage to live with all of the hoaxes that you fall for.

mightymoe's photo
Mon 08/31/15 03:55 PM



We now have the Trans-Pacific Partnership or TPP, which will, in one stroke of the pen, give Corporations control over sovereign nations and governments, and that includes the future single European government.


rofl The TPP pertains to nations that border the Pacific Ocean. Plus, it doesn't eliminate any nation's sovereignty.

Also, the claim that Europe will have a single government is quite silly.


agenda 21, read up... the pope is supposed to be promoting it in September when he addresses congress...


rofl

I don't know how you Humans manage to live with all of the hoaxes that you fall for.


easy for you, you'll just load up all the cats and head back to Melmak when it happens...

InvictusV's photo
Mon 08/31/15 04:07 PM

This is a bit of a read, I hope you enjoy .... your thoughts are welcome.

Ok, I'm not sure if you've heard the talk of the possibility of a WWIII coming soon but It's NOT. It's been going on for a Decade and NOBODY has even realized it !!!
The reason no-one realizes it is simple, they don't recognize it. Why?, you say, "How would we not recognize war?".
It is because it is not a traditional war ... they did it in reverse. What's more, although most don't even know it has started, it is almost over ... and we have very nearly LOST!
In WWII you had a war we recognize because it was the natural order of WAR.
First: Invade with a military force.
Second: Take control of the Government and politicians.
Third: Take control of the finances
But they have changed the rules ....
In WWIII the natural order of War has changed or reversed, if you will..
First: Take control of finances through bank collapse and subsequent bailouts.
Second: Take control of governments and politicians with demands attached to said bailouts.
Third: Threat of Military force against any Non-compliant countries as a last resort.
Most will think step three is not possible but this option was included in the "Fiscal Compact" which we voted in favor of with the political cry, "There is NO other way", while the fine print in the deal told us otherwise.The same inane reasoning was used for the subsequent bank bailout, "There is no other way". Under the fiscal compact, any country who becomes non-compliant with the austerity measures handed down, can have their government completely replaced by Europe. The threat of military action was not denied by Sarkosy in a letter to Van Rumpoy from himself and Angela Merkle.
" Sarkozy was opaque on whether such “enforcement” would involve military action or invasion of the offending countries"- http://www.thenewamerican.com/…/16624-merkozy-letter-to-eu-…
This is bad enough, Europe having complete control of each individual nation, with a single Government but this is not the end of it.
We now have the Trans-Pacific Partnership or TPP, which will, in one stroke of the pen, give Corporations control over sovereign nations and governments, and that includes the future single European government. Under this trade deal, corporations will be able to sue countries for loss of "Predicted future profits" if their bottom line is affected by either non-compliance or laws and legislation wanting to be passed by governments for the good of the people that would be deemed negative to the corporate bottom line. This in essence gives the power of law, legislation and the rules of trade to the corporations. This IS the definition of the "Corporate takeover".
If things were to go this far (and we're very nearly there) the option of "Revolution" for any individual nation will be met with overwhelming force. By this time the ONLY way through is a united European Revolution - WAR ! But this will be a WAR by each individual nation against Their Own Governments and the Corporations controlling them and it will need to be done simultaneously to work. The other option is to end up fighting FOR THEM.
We will get our traditional War one way or the other because if we do not fight the fight we need to fight, we will end up fighting the fight we DO NOT want to fight.
Full Scale WAR with America/Europe on one side and Russia/China on the other. Even Ireland will be brought into this because we are NOT a sovereign nation any more and neither are we a Neutral country.
If we are going to fight, why not fight NOW, for what we have, for the people of our nation and not for the good of faceless corporations and all they want.
Spread the awareness, TPP has to be Stopped and so does our Government of treacherous Yes men. We are running out of time but one way or another, it's getting time to "Baton down the Hatches"!


These free trade deals are so patently absurd I just have to shake my head.

Some factory worker in Vietnam making 45 cents an hour is now going to buy a brand new Cadillac because there are no tariffs on it... LMAO

It is a shame that for so long there have been so many stupid phucking people in this world to allow it to spiral into this cluster phucked mess..



FrankD670's photo
Mon 08/31/15 04:11 PM
Edited by FrankD670 on Mon 08/31/15 04:25 PM

@Dodo
There are 95 nations in the TTIP and TPP agreements (Same deal different directions) Obama has fast tracked it, the EU want to pass it and the Irish leader (JOKE that he is) Enda Kenny plans to fast track it here before the next election. So your notion that it only involves only "Pacific" nations is mistaken.
As for the sovereignty of nations, if you read the article or the link provided you would know that in Europe most country's sovereignty has already been stripped. Look at Greece, the birthplace of democracy Aside from that the TPP will give the last word on the rule of law over governments of individual nations. I didn't say TPP stripped sovereignty, just that it supersedes it ... and that is exactly what it does!
Lastly, if you think that Europe is NOT going towards a single government, you need to brush upon your current affairs. This has been openly admitted by many politicians in Europe, including the EU Chief Barrasso himself.

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Mon 08/31/15 04:29 PM
Edited by FrankD670 on Mon 08/31/15 04:36 PM



We now have the Trans-Pacific Partnership or TPP, which will, in one stroke of the pen, give Corporations control over sovereign nations and governments, and that includes the future single European government.


rofl The TPP pertains to nations that border the Pacific Ocean. Plus, it doesn't eliminate any nation's sovereignty.

Also, the claim that Europe will have a single government is quite silly.


agenda 21, read up... the pope is supposed to be promoting it in September when he addresses congress...


rofl

I don't know how you Humans manage to live with all of the hoaxes that you fall for.


It must be hard to believe all these "hoaxes" when you get ALL your information from the TV and papers. Thing is, the information you need isn't to be found there. Do a little research and you mightn't come off as being as ill-informed as you're making yourself look.

no photo
Sun 09/13/15 10:19 AM
only possible scenario I can imagine is of NATO countries on one side vs the BRIC nations on one side. after Crimean crisis the tensions have been raised to cold war levels. 30 reconnasiance planes interecepted in one month during the end of 2014. after the economic sanctions on Russia, the west has forced us to join hands with the east. probably China and Less likely India. I fear this could turn bad.

Conrad_73's photo
Sun 09/13/15 10:33 AM

Ireland was on nobody's "Side" during WWII, we were a neutral country.
And if that's the entirety of what you got from the piece, you missed the whole point.
btw I am assuming you mean the "Our" side you mean the Allies and not just America and also assuming you are talking about our government, as opposed to the many Irish soldiers who died fighting the Germans.



didn't De Valera signed the Book of Condolences after Hitler's heroic Death?

On May 2, 1945, just two days after Hitler and his consort Eva Braun committed suicide in their Berlin bunker, De Valera, who also served as foreign minister, and his aide, Secretary of External Affairs Joseph Walshe, visited the German Embassy in Dublin to sign a book of condolences for the departed Fuhrer. They also met with the top German envoy to Ireland, Eduard Hempel. Irish envoys in other nations did likewise, including Leopold Kerney in Spain, who called on the German Embassy in Madrid to express his condolences.

Not everyone in De Valera's government agreed with his decision to mourn Hitler. Frederick Boland, the assistant secretary of the Department of External Affairs, reportedly begged him not to go to the embassy.

Indeed, no other Western European democracies followed De Valera's example – he found himself in the dubious company of two European fascist dictators, Francisco Franco of Spain and António de Oliveira Salazar of Portugal, in voicing condolences over Hitler.bigsmile

http://www.ibtimes.com/irish-nationalist-nazi-when-eamon-de-valera-paid-his-respects-adolf-hitler-1403768

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Sun 09/13/15 10:34 AM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Sun 09/13/15 10:39 AM

only possible scenario I can imagine is of NATO countries on one side vs the BRIC nations on one side. after Crimean crisis the tensions have been raised to cold war levels. 30 reconnasiance planes interecepted in one month during the end of 2014. after the economic sanctions on Russia, the west has forced us to join hands with the east. probably China and Less likely India. I fear this could turn bad.
laugh
Maybe it is your Putin that's the problem,not the West!

http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-11-10/putin-s-hitler-pact-defense-should-worry-everyone

Rock's photo
Sun 09/13/15 01:02 PM
I didn't even bother reading the original post in its entirety.

I suppose it's nice, that Ireland is finally hearing discussion of WWIII.
I mean, the rest of the world, has only been yammerin' on about it, since before WWII even ended.

slaphead

no photo
Sun 09/13/15 02:01 PM

only possible scenario I can imagine is of NATO countries on one side vs the BRIC nations on one side. after Crimean crisis the tensions have been raised to cold war levels. 30 reconnasiance planes interecepted in one month during the end of 2014. after the economic sanctions on Russia, the west has forced us to join hands with the east. probably China and Less likely India. I fear this could turn bad.
laugh
Maybe it is your Putin that's the problem,not the West!

http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-11-10/putin-s-hitler-pact-defense-should-worry-everyone
that whole article is stupid. now I know what they think about us in the west. we have totally different views here. and all that nazi-soviet pact is irrelevent. soviets were aware of Hitler's plan for Europe and knew war was envitable with Nazis. to defend the motherland one has to go certain heights. Stalin was ways suspicious of Hitler. it was just a non-aggression pact(not like an alliance) because Stalin wasn't prepared for Nazis. if it wasn't for soviet union, Nazi Germany would have annexed whole Europe(accounting 2/3 of casualties on eastern front) but sure when the Nazis marched for London, uncle Sam had to intervene. but that's another story.

and do you know what it means if Ukraine joins EU? it's in Russian sphere of influence. its obvious the west wants to contain Russia and they're readily expanding the NATO alliance towards our borders which I'd indeed a national threat
. I'm not sure but I've heard USA promised not to expand NATO any further after dissolution of soviet union. No one wants war and there will be no war just tensions rising.

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Sun 09/13/15 02:10 PM


only possible scenario I can imagine is of NATO countries on one side vs the BRIC nations on one side. after Crimean crisis the tensions have been raised to cold war levels. 30 reconnasiance planes interecepted in one month during the end of 2014. after the economic sanctions on Russia, the west has forced us to join hands with the east. probably China and Less likely India. I fear this could turn bad.
laugh
Maybe it is your Putin that's the problem,not the West!

http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-11-10/putin-s-hitler-pact-defense-should-worry-everyone
that whole article is stupid. now I know what they think about us in the west. we have totally different views here. and all that nazi-soviet pact is irrelevent. soviets were aware of Hitler's plan for Europe and knew war was envitable with Nazis. to defend the motherland one has to go certain heights. Stalin was ways suspicious of Hitler. it was just a non-aggression pact(not like an alliance) because Stalin wasn't prepared for Nazis. if it wasn't for soviet union, Nazi Germany would have annexed whole Europe(accounting 2/3 of casualties on eastern front) but sure when the Nazis marched for London, uncle Sam had to intervene. but that's another story.

and do you know what it means if Ukraine joins EU? it's in Russian sphere of influence. its obvious the west wants to contain Russia and they're readily expanding the NATO alliance towards our borders which I'd indeed a national threat
. I'm not sure but I've heard USA promised not to expand NATO any further after dissolution of soviet union. No one wants war and there will be no war just tensions rising.


well,Mister,Old Vlad said it,and that puts him in the same Camp as Hitler and all the Other Dictators,whether you like it or not!
Furthermore it is Putin that's stupid by making this sort of remark as a Head of State!

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