in this city it is mandatory to own a firearm...first year crime plummeted by 74% enough said
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1818862/posts

I have listened to him,, and still havent heard anything REMOTELY close to taking everyones guns'

http://bearingarms.com/socialist-bernie-sanders-wants-ban-self-defense-firearms/

I dont understand why we should have guns that are made 'exclusively' for killing people either,,,

however, Sanders is not my president

I was responding to the rhetoric that my president wants to take everyones guns away,,,

It's called "selective hearing".

quite the opposite,, much TOO LITTLE has been said ,,lol

the ordinance was purely symbolic with no enforcement or consequences

the gun ownership was already high before the ordinance

the gesture was in response to morton grove illinois handgun ban


in 1982, kennesaw had 5000 residents,, its very hard to find statistics on the crime levels because every article wants to talk about this ordinance instead,,,however,

statistics can be easily manipulated toward any agenda, we can take selective years and try to use them as 'proof' of something, but crime rates have inclines and decreases,, and kennesaw has not become immune to that because of a 'mandatory' ordinance

http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Kennesaw-Georgia.html

nope its called, calling out bs,,,,,

and what is your presidents stand guns?

President Obama continued his latest gun-control push in a speech to the U.S. Conference of Mayors in San Francisco today, insisting there’s no “wild-eyed plot” at hand to seize guns



"At the very least, we should be able to talk about this issue as citizens, without demonizing all gun owners who are overwhelmingly law-abiding, but also without suggesting that any debate about this involves a wild-eyed plot to take everybody’s guns away,” he continued."

http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2015/06/19/obama-no-wild-eyed-plot-to-take-everybodys-guns-away/

It took you a while to find that.
Great, if that is his position then there should be no debate. Why would he bring this up at the U.S. Conference of Mayors in San Francisco?

Nope, I'm not assuming anything. I'm reporting facts which contradict one of the favored fantasies of the more rabid Second Amendment-as-word-of-god crowd.

I am a gun owner too. I'm also a devotee of factually based logic, and not wild emotional nonsense masquerading as patriotism.

The Iron Fist Rule which you describe, included what would now be called gun control.

My point, is only that allowing anyone and everyone to carry guns, doesn't cause crime to fall. There is no historic support for that claim, and that is what has been claimed in this thread. That some large organization of "liberals" all declared that Texas would erupt in gun battles, is also false. SOME people may have said that, but SOME people say crap no matter what happens.

If we are going to discuss a subject, any subject, I want the discussion to be factual and logical. Not just exchanges of emotionalized political bombast and self-worship.

oh, alle

it took about two seconds actually, ONCE I started looking

although I use my computer alot, I do not just sit at mingle waiting for the first chance to respond to someone,,lol


this was a conference on mayors,, mayors are responsible for cities,,cities like charleston,,where the shooting occurred

he touched on this and many other things at the conference which concern mayors,,,,

the part about guns was just selected because it was relevant for this thread...

OK,

if gun laws worked like all the politicians say they do, New York and D.C would have the lowest gun violence of any other us cities/districts......it's not rocket science its simple logic.

if someone thinks they may have a fatal consequence to perpetrating a crime, they will likely think twice about that act.

The threat of prison isn't the same deterrent it once was, so if the criminals aren't afraid prison, perhaps they should have to at least wonder if their victim/s are armed


guards who transport large sums of cash are ALWAYS armed, criminals see this, and most likely won't try to run up and grab a bag...they value their lives. Disarm the guards, and watch how many robberies start happening.

Now before you say, "well they have a reason, that money is tempting!" let's be honest what are the guards protecting? they are protecting a big bag of money.

so my question why is that money worth that level of protection? why wouldn't i as a citizen be able to protect that which I deem as just as valuable, such as family, or myself. with the same system that is used to protect anything of high importance?

The president uses the same system, he is protected by people with guns, it is a deterrent for would be criminals.

Why should he and his family be given access to this system which is obviously very effective (if it wasn't he wouldn't be using it) but deny me the right to protect my family with this system?

I'm not saying everyone should be armed, but what I am saying is I shouldn't be denied access from arming myself should I choose to, granted just as with anything that has potential to end someone's life, training/testing should be in place...we have driving schools for this reason, not everyone should drive but those that wish too need to be properly trained and tested on that knowledge. ..but to me that should be the extent of gun control


are you sane enouhh?
and have you passed a gun safety test...ok now you're able to carry a weapon

the diffrence between armored trucks and secret service and the average joe?

training and background checks,,,


so, in theory, we agree,, these are the same standards that regulations should address with the average joe,,,

I don't have a problem with background checks or training.

But when both are achieved satisfactorily then there should be no restrictions on ownership or carry privileges.

No proof?

It is just a coincidence that schools and theaters are common targets?

Ok, show us your facts and whose logic shall we use? Perhaps yours?
You call every one else's claims false yet you show no facts for yours. Don't just post how irritated you are at the stupidity of others that post here. You don't set the rules here. Deal with what others have to contribute here or find another forum.