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I have a Confederate flag tattoo.  it fills up part of my left upper arm....amongst other things.:)
Says^^^^this in my deepest southern drawl. 
as you have every right to. plenty of people understand that some see it as an image as 'southern pride', and not at all in a racist fashion. but, the history exists. the use of the confederate flag has flawed beginnings, and a flawed middle. the current discussion of it's use by governments to fly on public grounds despite legitimate protests as to it's appropriateness in the wake of it's particular history seem finally to point to it's final retirement from public representation; the proper end. you just said it's racist, now it's not because because 2k has it as a tattoo? make up your mind already... |
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I have a Confederate flag tattoo. it fills up part of my left upper arm....amongst other things.:)
Says^^^^this in my deepest southern drawl.
as you have every right to. plenty of people understand that some see it as an image as 'southern pride', and not at all in a racist fashion. but, the history exists. the use of the confederate flag has flawed beginnings, and a flawed middle. the current discussion of it's use by governments to fly on public grounds despite legitimate protests as to it's appropriateness in the wake of it's particular history seem finally to point to it's final retirement from public representation; the proper end. so does the usa flag , should we drop it as well ? and it has a lot more blood on it then the dixie flag does you're comparing apples and rutabagas, and i suspect you know it. |
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Edited by
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I'm sitting here on my throne. ..looking at one of my favorite pink caps..says...Dixie babe on it...with the flag shaped as a heart on it...
I got my bike headband next to it...flag in background..Says..Southern Rebel.
You know my cat scratched my Scary Clown tattoo...in just the right spot...looks like real blood is dripping out of his mouth..lol.. Just saying...  looks cool.
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I have a Confederate flag tattoo. it fills up part of my left upper arm....amongst other things.:)
Says^^^^this in my deepest southern drawl.
as you have every right to. plenty of people understand that some see it as an image as 'southern pride', and not at all in a racist fashion. but, the history exists. the use of the confederate flag has flawed beginnings, and a flawed middle. the current discussion of it's use by governments to fly on public grounds despite legitimate protests as to it's appropriateness in the wake of it's particular history seem finally to point to it's final retirement from public representation; the proper end. you just said it's racist, now it's not because because 2k has it as a tattoo? make up your mind already... i know it's difficult for ya, but try and keep up, willya? |
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I have a Confederate flag tattoo. it fills up part of my left upper arm....amongst other things.:)
Says^^^^this in my deepest southern drawl.
as you have every right to. plenty of people understand that some see it as an image as 'southern pride', and not at all in a racist fashion. but, the history exists. the use of the confederate flag has flawed beginnings, and a flawed middle. the current discussion of it's use by governments to fly on public grounds despite legitimate protests as to it's appropriateness in the wake of it's particular history seem finally to point to it's final retirement from public representation; the proper end. , so does the usa flag , should we drop it as well ? and it has a lot more blood on it then the dixie flag does Are you mixing pharms with alcohol? The CSA does not exist anymore. You are a citizen of the United UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. |
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I have a Confederate flag tattoo. it fills up part of my left upper arm....amongst other things.:)
Says^^^^this in my deepest southern drawl.
as you have every right to. plenty of people understand that some see it as an image as 'southern pride', and not at all in a racist fashion. but, the history exists. the use of the confederate flag has flawed beginnings, and a flawed middle. the current discussion of it's use by governments to fly on public grounds despite legitimate protests as to it's appropriateness in the wake of it's particular history seem finally to point to it's final retirement from public representation; the proper end. , so does the usa flag , should we drop it as well ? and it has a lot more blood on it then the dixie flag does Are you mixing pharms with alcohol? The CSA does not exist anymore. You are a citizen of the United UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. so whats your point? all of usa once used slaves, not just the south... so maybe we should ban the US flag as well? |
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only reason it gets under my skin is what will they want to take away next ? ? ? doesnt it fall under free speach ? ? its part of history to be learned from take it away people will forget you all know how forget full humans are i care about the flag i was raised with it its part of my roots Huh? Take it away...? It's in our history books libraries and museums. It's filed under losers. Should German government buildings fly the Nazi flag? Hell no,the Nazi's are the worst thing that ever happened to Germany. So that thing has no business flying within a 10 mile radius of the stars and stripes. Not near and definitely not on any government buildings. Why do you care about a symbol of slavery responsibile for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Caucasians on either side? symbol of slavery ? really ? is htat what you think read this http://mingle2.com/topic/436672 |
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Quoting RebelArcher:
QUOTE: MYTH � The War of 1861 � 1865 was fought over slavery. FACT � Terribly untrue. "" The Northern and Southern sections of the United States developed along different lines. The South remained a predominantly agrarian economy while the North became more and more industrialized. Different social cultures and political beliefs developed. All of this led to disagreements on issues such as taxes, tariffs and internal improvements as well as states rights versus federal rights. Slavery The burning issue that led to the disruption of the union, however, was the debate over the future of slavery.That dispute led to secession, and secession brought about a war in which the Northern and Western states and territories fought to preserve the Union, and the South fought to establish Southern independence as a new confederation of states under its own constitution. The agrarian South utilized slaves to tend its large plantations and perform other duties. On the eve of the Civil War, some 4 million Africans and their descendants toiled as slave laborers in the South. Slavery was interwoven into the Southern economy even though only a relatively small portion of the population actually owned slaves. Slaves could be rented or traded or sold to pay debts. Ownership of more than a handful of slaves bestowed respect and contributed to social position, and slaves, as the property of individuals and businesses, represented the largest portion of the region�s personal and corporate wealth, as cotton and land prices declined and the price of slaves soared. The states of the North, meanwhile, one by one had gradually abolished slavery. A steady flow of immigrants, especially from Ireland and Germany during the potato famine of the 1840s and 1850s, insured the North a ready pool of laborers, many of whom could be hired at low wages, diminishing the need to cling to the institution of slavery."" http://www.historynet.com/causes-of-the-civil-war "" Q. What caused the Civil War? While many still debate the ultimate causes of the Civil War , Pulitzer Prize-winning author James McPherson writes that, "The Civil War started because of uncompromising differences between the free and slave states over the power of the national government to prohibit slavery in the territories that had not yet become states. "" http://www.civilwar.org/education/history/faq/ "" What caused the American Civil War? It is amazing that even today, nearly 150 years after the Civil War started, there is passionate debate regarding the "cause" of the Civil War. Consider this: It is a fact that when the armies for the North and South were first formed, only a small minority of the soldiers on either side would have declared that the reason they joined the army was to fight either "for" or "against" slavery. However, equally true is the statement: "Had there been no slavery, there would have been no war. Had there been no moral condemnation of slavery, there would have been no war." (This was made by Sydney E. Ahlstrome, in his monumental study of religion in America A Religious History of the American People , Yale University Press,1972, on p. 649; it was echoed by Maj. General John B. Gordon, CSA, in his Memoirs, Chapter 1, first page)"" http://www.greatamericanhistory.net/causes.htm "" The US Civil War lasted from 1861 to 1865 and led to over 618,000 casualties. Its causes can be traced back to tensions that formed early in the nation's history. Following are the top five causes that led to the "War Between the States." 1. Economic and social differences between the North and the South. With Eli Whitney's invention of the cotton gin in 1793, cotton became very profitable. This machine was able to reduce the time it took to separate seeds from the cotton. However, at the same time the increase in the number of plantations willing to move from other crops to cotton meant the greater need for a large amount of cheap labor, i.e. slaves. Thus, the southern economy became a one crop economy, depending on cotton and therefore on slavery."" http://americanhistory.about.com/od/civilwarmenu/a/cause_civil_war.htm To state that slavery wasnt one of the main factors causing the Civil War is disingenuous at best, and utterly dishonest at worst. Its ones thing to protect that flag by illiciting history (btw, using that excuse, Great Britians flag should be flying at our nations capitol, right next to the Sars and stripes...ya know, history n all) and proclaiming "heritage".....and its totally another thing to try and omit that those states fighting in the Civil War flying that battle flag were totally in support of slavery. |
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The flag is part of history,
and it tends to keep idiots pissed off. Hell... I may just line my property with confederate flags, just to piss off even more idiots. 
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yes i read it
and both side had slaves and both side freed slaves as well as both sides bought slaves and then had them do work to pay back the owner so he could free them now we are all slaves , except a few at the top |
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Being from Tennessee, I salute the Confederate Flag.. I don't really care what black people think.. being from the human race, (and despite being from georgia), i don't; in no small part because i do. Well you know what they say about opinions.. |
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yes i read it and both side had slaves and both side freed slaves as well as both sides bought slaves and then had them do work to pay back the owner so he could free them now we are all slaves , except a few at the top Black people are the biggest slave makers in the world.. They enslave their own people, and sell em.. Still going on to this day.. |
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You would think that flag killed those people. I didn't have anything to do with it. They banned them on eBay too. Canceled my listing inappropriate. It's censorship
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did that Flag ever fly over a Slaveship?
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It's a battle flag so stick it where there's a battle going on. Let it represent your unification abroad and stop with the infighting here. Oops, Canadians aren't supposed to comment on such matters, right  
No, all intelligent comments are welcome. There's REAL southern hospitality. To bad cooter couldn't be here in person but there's no one attacking canned fruit preserves, mama's buttermilk biscuits or checkered table cloths. Nobody went to war under that flag for the right to drink iced tea. As a matter of fact United States independence was won in part by iced tea and lots of it in Boston harbor. The south fought to keep out the industry of the north in favor of the slave driven plantations. Incase you were unaware the civil war did not start over a mean game of checkers. It was over slavery and the abolitionist movement of the northern Union. If you say that flag represents courage family and good times you don't know who Robert E Lee is but you can see some of his best work in Arlington National Cemetery. 
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Quoting RebelArcher: QUOTE: MYTH � The War of 1861 � 1865 was fought over slavery. FACT � Terribly untrue. "" The Northern and Southern sections of the United States developed along different lines. The South remained a predominantly agrarian economy while the North became more and more industrialized. Different social cultures and political beliefs developed. All of this led to disagreements on issues such as taxes, tariffs and internal improvements as well as states rights versus federal rights. Slavery The burning issue that led to the disruption of the union, however, was the debate over the future of slavery.That dispute led to secession, and secession brought about a war in which the Northern and Western states and territories fought to preserve the Union, and the South fought to establish Southern independence as a new confederation of states under its own constitution. The agrarian South utilized slaves to tend its large plantations and perform other duties. On the eve of the Civil War, some 4 million Africans and their descendants toiled as slave laborers in the South. Slavery was interwoven into the Southern economy even though only a relatively small portion of the population actually owned slaves. Slaves could be rented or traded or sold to pay debts. Ownership of more than a handful of slaves bestowed respect and contributed to social position, and slaves, as the property of individuals and businesses, represented the largest portion of the region�s personal and corporate wealth, as cotton and land prices declined and the price of slaves soared. The states of the North, meanwhile, one by one had gradually abolished slavery. A steady flow of immigrants, especially from Ireland and Germany during the potato famine of the 1840s and 1850s, insured the North a ready pool of laborers, many of whom could be hired at low wages, diminishing the need to cling to the institution of slavery."" http://www.historynet.com/causes-of-the-civil-war "" Q. What caused the Civil War? While many still debate the ultimate causes of the Civil War , Pulitzer Prize-winning author James McPherson writes that, "The Civil War started because of uncompromising differences between the free and slave states over the power of the national government to prohibit slavery in the territories that had not yet become states. "" http://www.civilwar.org/education/history/faq/ "" What caused the American Civil War? It is amazing that even today, nearly 150 years after the Civil War started, there is passionate debate regarding the "cause" of the Civil War. Consider this: It is a fact that when the armies for the North and South were first formed, only a small minority of the soldiers on either side would have declared that the reason they joined the army was to fight either "for" or "against" slavery. However, equally true is the statement: "Had there been no slavery, there would have been no war. Had there been no moral condemnation of slavery, there would have been no war." (This was made by Sydney E. Ahlstrome, in his monumental study of religion in America A Religious History of the American People , Yale University Press,1972, on p. 649; it was echoed by Maj. General John B. Gordon, CSA, in his Memoirs, Chapter 1, first page)"" http://www.greatamericanhistory.net/causes.htm "" The US Civil War lasted from 1861 to 1865 and led to over 618,000 casualties. Its causes can be traced back to tensions that formed early in the nation's history. Following are the top five causes that led to the "War Between the States." 1. Economic and social differences between the North and the South. With Eli Whitney's invention of the cotton gin in 1793, cotton became very profitable. This machine was able to reduce the time it took to separate seeds from the cotton. However, at the same time the increase in the number of plantations willing to move from other crops to cotton meant the greater need for a large amount of cheap labor, i.e. slaves. Thus, the southern economy became a one crop economy, depending on cotton and therefore on slavery."" http://americanhistory.about.com/od/civilwarmenu/a/cause_civil_war.htm To state that slavery wasnt one of the main factors causing the Civil War is disingenuous at best, and utterly dishonest at worst. Its ones thing to protect that flag by illiciting history (btw, using that excuse, Great Britians flag should be flying at our nations capitol, right next to the Sars and stripes...ya know, history n all) and proclaiming "heritage".....and its totally another thing to try and omit that those states fighting in the Civil War flying that battle flag were totally in support of slavery. |
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This is just a shi* stirring thread.. |
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yes i read it and both side had slaves and both side freed slaves as well as both sides bought slaves and then had them do work to pay back the owner so he could free them now we are all slaves , except a few at the top Black people are the biggest slave makers in the world.. They enslave their own people, and sell em.. Still going on to this day.. |
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Edited by
RebelArcher
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Quoting RebelArcher: QUOTE: MYTH � The War of 1861 � 1865 was fought over slavery. FACT � Terribly untrue. "" The Northern and Southern sections of the United States developed along different lines. The South remained a predominantly agrarian economy while the North became more and more industrialized. Different social cultures and political beliefs developed. All of this led to disagreements on issues such as taxes, tariffs and internal improvements as well as states rights versus federal rights. Slavery The burning issue that led to the disruption of the union, however, was the debate over the future of slavery.That dispute led to secession, and secession brought about a war in which the Northern and Western states and territories fought to preserve the Union, and the South fought to establish Southern independence as a new confederation of states under its own constitution. The agrarian South utilized slaves to tend its large plantations and perform other duties. On the eve of the Civil War, some 4 million Africans and their descendants toiled as slave laborers in the South. Slavery was interwoven into the Southern economy even though only a relatively small portion of the population actually owned slaves. Slaves could be rented or traded or sold to pay debts. Ownership of more than a handful of slaves bestowed respect and contributed to social position, and slaves, as the property of individuals and businesses, represented the largest portion of the region�s personal and corporate wealth, as cotton and land prices declined and the price of slaves soared. The states of the North, meanwhile, one by one had gradually abolished slavery. A steady flow of immigrants, especially from Ireland and Germany during the potato famine of the 1840s and 1850s, insured the North a ready pool of laborers, many of whom could be hired at low wages, diminishing the need to cling to the institution of slavery."" http://www.historynet.com/causes-of-the-civil-war "" Q. What caused the Civil War? While many still debate the ultimate causes of the Civil War , Pulitzer Prize-winning author James McPherson writes that, "The Civil War started because of uncompromising differences between the free and slave states over the power of the national government to prohibit slavery in the territories that had not yet become states. "" http://www.civilwar.org/education/history/faq/ "" What caused the American Civil War? It is amazing that even today, nearly 150 years after the Civil War started, there is passionate debate regarding the "cause" of the Civil War. Consider this: It is a fact that when the armies for the North and South were first formed, only a small minority of the soldiers on either side would have declared that the reason they joined the army was to fight either "for" or "against" slavery. However, equally true is the statement: "Had there been no slavery, there would have been no war. Had there been no moral condemnation of slavery, there would have been no war." (This was made by Sydney E. Ahlstrome, in his monumental study of religion in America A Religious History of the American People , Yale University Press,1972, on p. 649; it was echoed by Maj. General John B. Gordon, CSA, in his Memoirs, Chapter 1, first page)"" http://www.greatamericanhistory.net/causes.htm "" The US Civil War lasted from 1861 to 1865 and led to over 618,000 casualties. Its causes can be traced back to tensions that formed early in the nation's history. Following are the top five causes that led to the "War Between the States." 1. Economic and social differences between the North and the South. With Eli Whitney's invention of the cotton gin in 1793, cotton became very profitable. This machine was able to reduce the time it took to separate seeds from the cotton. However, at the same time the increase in the number of plantations willing to move from other crops to cotton meant the greater need for a large amount of cheap labor, i.e. slaves. Thus, the southern economy became a one crop economy, depending on cotton and therefore on slavery."" http://americanhistory.about.com/od/civilwarmenu/a/cause_civil_war.htm To state that slavery wasnt one of the main factors causing the Civil War is disingenuous at best, and utterly dishonest at worst. Its ones thing to protect that flag by illiciting history (btw, using that excuse, Great Britians flag should be flying at our nations capitol, right next to the Sars and stripes...ya know, history n all) and proclaiming "heritage".....and its totally another thing to try and omit that those states fighting in the Civil War flying that battle flag were totally in support of slavery. |
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did that Flag ever fly over a Slaveship? Perhaps the most logical response in this entire thread. |
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