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For me we are not to past judgement on others in how they live. We are to love all men. What measure you judge, you will be judged. We are also told to love the person and not the sin. Jesus said in Matthew, Love your Heavenly Father first then your neighbor as you love yourself. So would you hate yourself for sinning? If we reflected on our own lives before others I think this world would be a better place. He who has no sin cast the first stone. That is what Jesus said to a crowd who was going to stone a women who sinned. For me I try to love unconditionally, yes sometimes I fail but I get back on the horse ans put right my wrong. joethebricky I love your smile. 
Sooo.. Much unscriptural here. But yea, we all like Joes smile 
Shalom 
Thanks. Going back to your earlier post. What I'm trying to say is that I have a varied view on the subject. I don't mind what gay people do as long as they are discreet and don't push it in my face. What I don't agree with is the ones who talk explicitly about it, in a sexual fashion I mean. I also believe that God will judge them, not me, even the discreet ones. So live and let live, if you get my drift. Gay marriage is legal ONLY in approx. 24 states here. Out of 50 & US territories. So it may be a much bigger debate here.. ..than overseas people realize. (And of course the Faith aspect). 
Shalom
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SassyEuro2
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Really unscriptural? Mmmmm???? Ok I will back it up with the new king james version. After 23 years I think I know a thing or two. Shall do it tomorrow. I don't use the NEW KJV. Most 'born again/ saved/ Judeo Christians , don't. * The love as yourself- is instructions for a MAN to love his WIFE as himself... & love thy neighbor does not mean... put up with,...accept or condone their behavior or anything else*  
It is just... TOO early...( 6:57 am) OH CUTE ONE... Shalom
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Was it Mathew I think, who said forgive others their trespasses and your heavenly father will forgive yours. I mean this nice Cowboy but you seem to have a real bee in your bonnet about gay people, which in itself is a sin. I have absolutely nothing against homosexuals. As a matter of fact one of my good friends is homosexual. People will choose how to sin as they choose. This thread was not started towards bashing homosexuals or any foul intent towards them. Just have seen as homosexuality is seeming to be getting more popular or more exposed, and seemingly more influetial in the church thought it would be a nice subject to discuss here. |
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Really unscriptural? Mmmmm???? Ok I will back it up with the new king james version. After 23 years I think I know a thing or two. Shall do it tomorrow. I don't use the NEW KJV. Most 'born again/ saved/ Judeo Christians , don't. * The love as yourself- is instructions for a MAN to love his WIFE as himself... & love thy neighbor does not mean... put up with,...accept or condone their behavior or anything else*
It is just... TOO early...( 6:57 am) OH CUTE ONE... Shalom
& love thy neighbor does not mean... put up with,...accept or condone their behavior or anything else* Kind of does, as why we are also told the following - Matthew 5:39 39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. And again nobodies bashing on homosexuals here, just getting and making a clear understanding as a lot of people these days seem to think just because the sociaty of the world has assimulated to a certain action/thought then even the church is suppose to as well. And if it doesn't, then it's "outdated". Homosexuality isn't about "love". I can "love" all the men I want, as a matter of fact Jesus has told us all to love everybody, that would include same genders. It's when the physical action is put behind that feeling where it becomes sinful. |
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Hello all.
Reading through some of the posts here, I totally agree with sassyEuro2. I also agree with cowboyGH except for the statement, "They may be attracted to the same gender, but that in itself isn't homosexual. And or what is sinful in homosexuality. It's the actions between the two that may follow". My reason for disagreeing with that statement is connected to the position of the Bible on fornication/adultery. The Bible says we are already guilty of the sin of fornication/adultery, when we lust in our hearts without doing the physical action. It is the same here! Don't forget that the Bible calls the body of the believer, the temple of the Holy Spirit. If the heart of a person constantly gets attracted to or craves after what God does not permit, it means something is already critically wrong spiritually. It is strange that one reads expressly in the Bible, that something is wrong and still turns round to accuse a person of being judgmental simply because the person points out the position of God in the Bible. When God's word says not to do a thing, the condemnation is from God and not from the person showing the scripture verse. The heart is desperately wicked and deceitful above all things...the Bible says. That's why our hearts crave to justify what God forbids and to find fault with anyone who tries to show us that God's word already condemns it. This certainly closes the door against repentance. The end-result is an eternity without God. |
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Hello all. Reading through some of the posts here, I totally agree with sassyEuro2. I also agree with cowboyGH except for the statement, "They may be attracted to the same gender, but that in itself isn't homosexual. And or what is sinful in homosexuality. It's the actions between the two that may follow". My reason for disagreeing with that statement is connected to the position of the Bible on fornication/adultery. The Bible says we are already guilty of the sin of fornication/adultery, when we lust in our hearts without doing the physical action. It is the same here! Don't forget that the Bible calls the body of the believer, the temple of the Holy Spirit. If the heart of a person constantly gets attracted to or craves after what God does not permit, it means something is already critically wrong spiritually. It is strange that one reads expressly in the Bible, that something is wrong and still turns round to accuse a person of being judgmental simply because the person points out the position of God in the Bible. When God's word says not to do a thing, the condemnation is from God and not from the person showing the scripture verse. The heart is desperately wicked and deceitful above all things...the Bible says. That's why our hearts crave to justify what God forbids and to find fault with anyone who tries to show us that God's word already condemns it. This certainly closes the door against repentance. The end-result is an eternity without God. My reason for disagreeing with that statement is connected to the position of the Bible on fornication/adultery. The Bible says we are already guilty of the sin of fornication/adultery, when we lust in our hearts without doing the physical action. It is the same here! Kind of strange though you say "your reason for disagreeing" when we are in agreement, just saying it two different ways. A "thought" is not a "lust". Lusting after something is sitting there dwelling on the thought and playing with the thoughts in your head and so forth. We can't control the "automatic" thoughts that run throuhg our heads at first. But when it gets into deeper contemplation is what we have direct control of. And is where "lust" would fall, if the thought is done in deep contemplation on the action. |
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The heart is desperately wicked and deceitful above all things...the Bible says. That's why our hearts crave to justify what God forbids and to find fault with anyone who tries to show us that God's word already condemns it. This certainly closes the door against repentance. The end-result is an eternity without God. First thing, there is always room for repentance. Repentance = quit doing that which is in reference to. There will never be an end result of an eternity without God. When judgement comes, the ending results will be the followers of the "beast" will be thrown into the lake of fire along with everyone else that was not written in the book of life, this is known as the second death. Once they are thrown into the lake of fire, they won't be tortured for all eternity, they will cease to exist eg., this is known as the second death. Hello all. Reading through some of the posts here, I totally agree with sassyEuro2. I also agree with cowboyGH except for the statement, "They may be attracted to the same gender, but that in itself isn't homosexual. And or what is sinful in homosexuality. It's the actions between the two that may follow". My reason for disagreeing with that statement is connected to the position of the Bible on fornication/adultery. The Bible says we are already guilty of the sin of fornication/adultery, when we lust in our hearts without doing the physical action. It is the same here! Don't forget that the Bible calls the body of the believer, the temple of the Holy Spirit. If the heart of a person constantly gets attracted to or craves after what God does not permit, it means something is already critically wrong spiritually. It is strange that one reads expressly in the Bible, that something is wrong and still turns round to accuse a person of being judgmental simply because the person points out the position of God in the Bible. When God's word says not to do a thing, the condemnation is from God and not from the person showing the scripture verse. The heart is desperately wicked and deceitful above all things...the Bible says. That's why our hearts crave to justify what God forbids and to find fault with anyone who tries to show us that God's word already condemns it. This certainly closes the door against repentance. The end-result is an eternity without God. |
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"First thing, there is always room for repentance. Repentance = quit doing that which is in reference to. There will never be an end result of an eternity without God. When judgement comes, the ending results will be the followers of the "beast" will be thrown into the lake of fire along with everyone else that was not written in the book of life, this is known as the second death. Once they are thrown into the lake of fire, they won't be tortured for all eternity, they will cease to exist eg., this is known as the second death."
____________________ The above is heresy from the devil....the devil always coins heresies and packages them so well and willing hearts fall into the trap and even magnify them into doctrines that they propagate. I hope no soul gets deceived here. There is no point telling people to follow JESUS if in the long run, there is nothing like eternal separation from God. This doctrine that nobody will be eternally separated from God is satanic and framed up by satan. There is only one of two places to go- either with the LORD in heaven or with satan in hell. The human soul lives for ever. Jesus told His disciples that HE goes to prepare a place for them...that where HE is they may be also. He also made it clear that those whose names are not found in the Lamb's book of life will be thrown into outer darkness where there will be gnashing of teeth. The Bible also calls it a place of eternal torment. Heresies are terrible and wicked because they deceive!!!! |
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My sincere advice to every person with a searching heart in this community is to please get a BIBLE and search through it yourself for the truth! Pray to God with a sincere heart, to lead you and guide you as you study/search. God is faithful.
This is the best way to avoid being misled by anyone or any post. Searching/studying for yourself, with the help of God through the Holy Spirit is the best way to escape being deceived. God bless everyone and may HE help all of those who seek HIM in truth and in spirit, to find and follow the truth. Amen!!! |
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"First thing, there is always room for repentance. Repentance = quit doing that which is in reference to. There will never be an end result of an eternity without God. When judgement comes, the ending results will be the followers of the "beast" will be thrown into the lake of fire along with everyone else that was not written in the book of life, this is known as the second death. Once they are thrown into the lake of fire, they won't be tortured for all eternity, they will cease to exist eg., this is known as the second death." ____________________ The above is heresy from the devil....the devil always coins heresies and packages them so well and willing hearts fall into the trap and even magnify them into doctrines that they propagate. I hope no soul gets deceived here. There is no point telling people to follow JESUS if in the long run, there is nothing like eternal separation from God. This doctrine that nobody will be eternally separated from God is satanic and framed up by satan. There is only one of two places to go- either with the LORD in heaven or with satan in hell. The human soul lives for ever. Jesus told His disciples that HE goes to prepare a place for them...that where HE is they may be also. He also made it clear that those whose names are not found in the Lamb's book of life will be thrown into outer darkness where there will be gnashing of teeth. The Bible also calls it a place of eternal torment. Heresies are terrible and wicked because they deceive!!!! What's your point in response to what I said? You saying someone can't be repent and be forgiven on their death bed? And no, people will not torment in hell. As I've shown before, come judgement hell is thrown into the lake of fire along with the beast and all that follows and this is known as the second death. |
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Matthew 22:37 Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’[d] 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’[e] 40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”
John 3:16-17New King James Version (NKJV) 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. Matthew 7 New King James Version (NKJV) Do Not Judge 7 “Judge not, that you be not judged. 2 For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you. 3 And why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? 4 Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me remove the speck from your eye’; and look, a plank is in your own eye? 5 Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye. 6 “Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces. Calatians 5:22-26 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, long suffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. 24 And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another. To ME it doesn't matter what version we are reading from it will have the same meaning. If we apply this to our lives instead of doing GOD's job I think this world would be a better place. This does not mean I agree with how my friend lives like I said before. I choose not to do God"s job. This is where I stand, this is my world view. Shalom, shalom |
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Matthew 22:37 Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’[d] 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’[e] 40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.” John 3:16-17New King James Version (NKJV) 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. Matthew 7 New King James Version (NKJV) Do Not Judge 7 “Judge not, that you be not judged. 2 For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you. 3 And why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? 4 Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me remove the speck from your eye’; and look, a plank is in your own eye? 5 Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye. 6 “Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces. Calatians 5:22-26 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, long suffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. 24 And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another. To ME it doesn't matter what version we are reading from it will have the same meaning. If we apply this to our lives instead of doing GOD's job I think this world would be a better place. This does not mean I agree with how my friend lives like I said before. I choose not to do God"s job. This is where I stand, this is my world view. Shalom, shalom I agree, we aren't to do Gods job but we are to spread Gods word,,,, and not to hide or be ashamed of it when we are asked about it these discussions are not things I have with strangers in RT, and they arent discussions I start anywhere but if and when I am asked what I think, what I believe, I dont shrink away from sharing either ,,,,,thanx for sharing your beauty here 
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I agree with you, msharmony. We are here to share the word and live it in our lives as well as say what we believe in.
I say go hard and be strong. |
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Edited by
SassyEuro2
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Tue 05/26/15 02:53 AM
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"First thing, there is always room for repentance. Repentance = quit doing that which is in reference to. There will never be an end result of an eternity without God. When judgement comes, the ending results will be the followers of the "beast" will be thrown into the lake of fire along with everyone else that was not written in the book of life, this is known as the second death. Once they are thrown into the lake of fire, they won't be tortured for all eternity, they will cease to exist eg., this is known as the second death." ____________________ The above is heresy from the devil....the devil always coins heresies and packages them so well and willing hearts fall into the trap and even magnify them into doctrines that they propagate. I hope no soul gets deceived here. There is no point telling people to follow JESUS if in the long run, there is nothing like eternal separation from God. This doctrine that nobody will be eternally separated from God is satanic and framed up by satan. There is only one of two places to go- either with the LORD in heaven or with satan in hell. The human soul lives for ever. Jesus told His disciples that HE goes to prepare a place for them...that where HE is they may be also. He also made it clear that those whose names are not found in the Lamb's book of life will be thrown into outer darkness where there will be gnashing of teeth. The Bible also calls it a place of eternal torment. Heresies are terrible and wicked because they deceive!!!! Absolutely, only Satan & The Fallen, want people to forget or ignore God's quotes. " And I will NOT hear you cries " " I NEVER knew you " * After all his/ Satan's greatest trick is convening people- he doesn't exist *
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Edited by
Pansytilly
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According to the Apostle Paul, God Himself condemns sex between two people of the same gender. ^^ God's prerogative... it's up to the person to practice or not... and whatever consequences/results will be their's to bear... they will have to face the Big Guy eventually... |
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For me we are not to past judgement on others in how they live. We are to love all men. What measure you judge, you will be judged. We are also told to love the person and not the sin. Jesus said in Matthew, Love your Heavenly Father first then your neighbor as you love yourself. So would you hate yourself for sinning? If we reflected on our own lives before others I think this world would be a better place. He who has no sin cast the first stone. That is what Jesus said to a crowd who was going to stone a women who sinned. For me I try to love unconditionally, yes sometimes I fail but I get back on the horse ans put right my wrong. joethebricky I love your smile. __________________________________ I read your NEW posts & the book of Matthew, none of which defends your post ^^^^^ of a " live & let live " philosophy here. God made the law & his judgements. Man made his own laws. If man edits or tries to add or subtract from God's law... he can't. * And God strongly warns us against that* Man ( and Satan) just thinks he can. It doesn't change God or his law You still seem to be on the love everyone, treat everyone the same ... No matter WHAT & don't call them on it, or single them out or abonish or punish them With this thinking.... All sinners, fornicators, drunkors, prostitutes, Idolators & ALL manner of CORRUT & CRIMINAL are the SAME. And EQUAL to those who OBEY GOD & deserve the same treatment. So..... thieves, murders, child molesters, rapists ( God does ask for death penalty for those sex offences)... Should be what in your mind? Loved? Tolerated? Live next door? Because if we obey God's law.... *We are trying to do his/ God's job "? Being a good Christian (or Jew or anybody), is NOT by saying " I love everyone equally " & being a doormat for evil or tolerating it. Even the most passive & none violent of Christian denominations (Amish, Brethren, Mennonite etc)... would shun ,cast out & excommunicate Homosexuals (or whatever) Muslims by 'Sharia Law'.... throw homosexuals, off a cliff, to their death (or use a building or PUBLIC executions). The Nazis also executed them. (Jews were nor the ONLY ones singled out) Jews & Christians are NOT those that homosexuals have to worry about. Geez ^^^^^ OUR tolerance & OVER indulging has got them this far & protected them from death. Tolerance does not equal acceptance or approval or permissible. Nor does it mean acknowledging MAN'S law ( Gay marriage).
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SassyEuro2
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According to the Apostle Paul, God Himself condemns sex between two people of the same gender. ^^ God's prerogative... it's up to the person to practice or not... and whatever consequences/results will be their's to bear... they will have to face the Big Guy eventually... So TRUE. But WE the SPIRITUAL do NOT have to tolerate, accept, condone or permit it... any more than GOD does. GOD views sin as sin & an abomination as abomination... so does the SPIRITUAL.
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Edited by
Pansytilly
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According to the Apostle Paul, God Himself condemns sex between two people of the same gender. ^^ God's prerogative... it's up to the person to practice or not... and whatever consequences/results will be their's to bear... they will have to face the Big Guy eventually... So TRUE. But WE the SPIRITUAL do NOT have to tolerate, accept, condone or permit it... any more than GOD does. GOD views sin as sin & an abomination as abomination... so does the SPIRITUAL.
SHALOM yes, that is true...right is right , wrong is wrong... we want to uphold God's law as much as we can and enlighten others. unfortunately, some will take the matter very negatively and see it as intolerance and bashing, and use religion/God as a scapegoat for obvious human failings in the matter of explaining scripture...and sometimes uses it to further their own human self-interests instead of spiritual ones... personally, i don't believe God can make a mistake regarding obvious gender assignment. |
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Sassy i think you better read my post again because I did not say live and let live. so don't put words into what i am saying. I can go on and on back it up with scripture you still would not be open to what I am saying.
Again I express my Father in heaven gave his son Jesus to die for us. Why because of LOVE not judgment or condemnation. Because i believe and practice that does not mean i agree with how people live. Look at the scriptures I posted before it backs up what I saying. Also with out love you are a horrible sound in His ear. Yes it is in the bible |
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Sassy i think you better read my post again because I did not say live and let live. so don't put words into what i am saying. I can go on and on back it up with scripture you still would not be open to what I am saying. Again I express my Father in heaven gave his son Jesus to die for us. Why because of LOVE not judgment or condemnation. Because i believe and practice that does not mean i agree with how people live. Look at the scriptures I posted before it backs up what I saying. Also with out love you are a horrible sound in His ear. Yes it is in the bible I understand you, OH CUTE ONE (your new name... pass the coffee ), I just disagree with you as far as the OP's topic..
Homosexuality, the behavior as far as on going sin, not repentance & gay marriage. God made the judgment, before.. he made humans. I'm not condoning homosexuality or any sexual perversion anymore that God does If you think people that speak against it or that don't acknowlege it as a marriage... are judgemental... oh well Then people who speak against gluttony & say the obese have done it to themselves through sin... are judgemental. Then people who speak against lying, thieving political leaders ... are judgemental ( including cops & courts) Then people who speak against polygamy or having children out of wedlock... are judgemental. God's law- PRE made judgment, BEFORE the Earth & humans were formed. Reading, writing, repeateding GOD'S law is NOT judgment. Neither is NOT wanting to be in the presence of sin or evil. I do NOT doubt you are a Christian. No way, do I.  * I might tear a throat out if someone did question you on that  *
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