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isn't 'offensive' a subjective standard
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isn't 'offensive' a subjective standard
 What difference could that possibly make in the context of my conversation with David?...Sincere question...
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Edited by
DavidCommaGeek
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Wed 06/03/15 08:12 PM
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It's kind of the basis of at least one facet of the argument... Some people find breastfeeding in public offensive, and some don't... Kind of proves it's subjective right there.
You may find the "lurkers" more subjectively offensive than breastfeeding in public, but there wouldn't be anything there for them to be subjectively offensive about (i.e., "lurk") if the mother wasn't breastfeeding in public. (Okay, I take that back - true lurkers would probably find something to be subjectively offensive about, but within the context of this argument, we're assuming it's because of breastfeeding in public.) And for clarification of terms, is someone a "lurker" because they find breastfeeding in public offensive, or only if they actually ogle/blatantly watch the mother breastfeed? |
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It's kind of the basis of at least one facet of the argument... Some people find breastfeeding in public offensive, and some don't... Kind of proves it's subjective right there. You may find the "lurkers" more subjectively offensive than breastfeeding in public, but there wouldn't be anything there for them to be subjectively offensive about (i.e., "lurk") if the mother wasn't breastfeeding in public. (Okay, I take that back - true lurkers would probably find something to be subjectively offensive about, but within the context of this argument, we're assuming it's because of breastfeeding in public.) And for clarification of terms, is someone a "lurker" because they find breastfeeding in public offensive, or only if they actually ogle/blatantly watch the mother breastfeed? I'm glad you took that back...For clarification you could always start a thread about lurkers and their take on breastfeeding in public... |
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This thread is working pretty well in that regard.
 Forum threads always attract lurkers!
(He said, non-ironically.) |
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This thread is working pretty well in that regard. Forum threads always attract lurkers!
(He said, non-ironically.) hahahaha...The man has a sense of humor! 
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never bothered me a woman to breast feeding her child. is what bothers me is everyone who stands around watching. its quite a novelty item seeing children breast feed. Even makes the news. They always smudge screen the breast out though and maybe we would all like to see whats the kids been eating too huh?
I say more breast feeding in public is needed so we all just get over it!!! |
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David, are you Muslim? Do you believe in Sharia laws? If a woman shows her face in public, she gets punished.
If a woman shows her breasts in public FOR THE PURPOSE OF FEEDING HER CHILD, she should not get punished. We are an evolved society. What about women who wear bikinis? Do they also make you uncomfortable? Do you start paying very close attention to the book that you reading then too? MAN UP. We are living in the 21st century. At one time, bikinis were shocking, too. Now, they are the norm. We see them everywhere. Why? It is because society became accustomed to such sights and realized it is not a big deal. The same way we need to become accustomed to the sight of a woman publicly breastfeeding her child. I believe many countries, like France, consider this the norm. So should we. We need to modify our behavior, not the breastfeeding mothers. |
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When I see babies being dragged out in every kind of weather, to deafening environments, dragged through germ laden public places, exposed to animals and people they don't even need to see them, and put through excruciating airplane or car trips, I want to have the parents locked up.
PacificStar, I see you writing volumes in every topic. I know that you believe since you are of a certain age, you have massive wisdom and experience to share. You are not always right. Your comment above is quite intolerant. You are saying it's either my way or the highway. The parents have the best interests of the child at heart. Germ laden public places, as one example, build the child's immune system. Not everything is as bad as you make it seem. The children who are not exposed to germs at an early age develop all types of illnesses and immunodeficiencies later in life. |
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Edited by
Leigh2154
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Fri 06/05/15 04:06 AM
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David, are you Muslim? Do you believe in Sharia laws? If a woman shows her face in public, she gets punished. If a woman shows her breasts in public FOR THE PURPOSE OF FEEDING HER CHILD, she should not get punished. We are an evolved society. What about women who wear bikinis? Do they also make you uncomfortable? Do you start paying very close attention to the book that you reading then too? MAN UP. We are living in the 21st century. At one time, bikinis were shocking, too. Now, they are the norm. We see them everywhere. Why? It is because society became accustomed to such sights and realized it is not a big deal. The same way we need to become accustomed to the sight of a woman publicly breastfeeding her child. I believe many countries, like France, consider this the norm. So should we. We need to modify our behavior, not the breastfeeding mothers. When I see babies being dragged out in every kind of weather, to deafening environments, dragged through germ laden public places, exposed to animals and people they don't even need to see them, and put through excruciating airplane or car trips, I want to have the parents locked up. PacificStar, I see you writing volumes in every topic. I know that you believe since you are of a certain age, you have massive wisdom and experience to share. You are not always right. Your comment above is quite intolerant. You are saying it's either my way or the highway. The parents have the best interests of the child at heart. Germ laden public places, as one example, build the child's immune system. Not everything is as bad as you make it seem. The children who are not exposed to germs at an early age develop all types of illnesses and immunodeficiencies later in life. Well said...and I will add this... Human milk provides the perfect balance of protein, sugar and fat babies need to be healthy...Breast milk also contains antibiotics, enzymes, immune factors and white blood cells, all of which protect nursing babies against a variety of disease and infections NOT ONLY while breastfeeding but long after the baby is weaned...Formula cannot (does not) do the same..This means a breastfeeding baby's chances of suffering illnesses decrease significantly :-) ...There's even evidence that breastfeeding protects babies born to families with a history of allergies!...Transfer of the human milk antibodies may also explain why breastfed babies are less likely to develop leukemia and lymphoma...Oh yeah, don't let me forget this...Studies demonstrate a 36 to 50% reduction in the risk of SIDS (sudden infant death syndrome) too...Last, but certainly not least, *clears throat*...Breastfed babies are less likely to be obese in adolescence and adulthood and less vulnerable to developing both type 1 and type 2 diabetes...Thanks mom!  ...So for each little prince and princess who has issues with breastfeeding in public OR, god forbid, babies in public, it might take the sting off if you educate yourself to the positive effects breastfeeding can have for even you, yes I said you...Healthy babies mean healthy adults and healthy adults mean lower medical and hospital expense which translates into lower insurance premiums for all of us...Healthy babies means less chance of your formula fed baby and YOU being exposed to nasty old germs when you do have to share "public" space with something so disgusting as a mother nurturing her child...Take off the crowns people...I think they're interfering with your oxygen supply...
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Personally, i wouldn't expose my breast in public, even if for feeding purposes. Breastmilk can be pumped and stored properly beforehand and taken with the baby if the mother should decide to exclusively breastfeed.
But kudos to the women who are secure and confident enough to do so. I just feel that it's a special bonding moment of mother and child, and if done in public, it ought to be a safe, secure and comfortable environment for both, so that the child won't develop any negative feelings toward feeding. Instead of shaming women for breastfeeding in public, shouldn't public places designate an area where breast feeding can be done privately instead? |
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Edited by
DavidCommaGeek
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Sun 07/05/15 08:46 AM
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Human milk provides the perfect balance of protein, sugar and fat babies need to be healthy... Healthy babies mean healthy adults and healthy adults mean lower medical and hospital expense which translates into lower insurance premiums for all of us...Healthy babies means less chance of your formula fed baby and YOU being exposed to nasty old germs when you do have to share "public" space with something so disgusting as a mother nurturing her child... This doesn't make a case for breastfeeding in public. In fact, it doesn't even make a case for breastfeeding itself. It merely makes a case for feeding human babies human milk. Pansytilly has already mentioned they have ways to tap mother's milk for later bottling - and there are still such things as wet nurses, who either breastfeed the baby directly, or provide human milk to mothers who can't or won't breastfeed their baby themselves. None of the health benefits are gained because the baby was breast-fed in public. These health benefits are gained because the baby is fed (organically-farmed?) human milk. I have not yet met the baby who really cares how or where they are fed, merely that they are fed. They'll gladly suck on a bottle as well as a teat. Are not baby-bottle caps and pacifiers exactly designed to mimic the human nipple? |
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Edited by
Pansytilly
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Sun 07/05/15 08:57 AM
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Human milk provides the perfect balance of protein, sugar and fat babies need to be healthy... Healthy babies mean healthy adults and healthy adults mean lower medical and hospital expense which translates into lower insurance premiums for all of us...Healthy babies means less chance of your formula fed baby and YOU being exposed to nasty old germs when you do have to share "public" space with something so disgusting as a mother nurturing her child... This doesn't make a case for breastfeeding in public. In fact, it doesn't even make a case for breastfeeding itself. It merely makes a case for feeding human babies human milk. Pansytilly has already mentioned they have ways to tap mother's milk for later bottling - and there are still such things as wet nurses, who either breastfeed the baby directly, or provide human milk to mothers who can't or won't breastfeed their baby themselves. None of the health benefits are gained because the baby was breast-fed in public. These health benefits are gained because the baby is fed (organically-farmed?) human milk. OMG! breastfeeding for "lower insurance premiums" !!! hahahaha!!!! DCG, some mothers will breastfeed in public for a variety of reasons. example: 1. it is the natural method of feeding an infant. 2. there are low income groups that breastfeeds because of the lack of resource to get a pump or to buy formula. 3. pumping breastmilk is painful compared to letting an infant suck. 4. bonding and avoidance of nipple confusion but of course, breastmilk is best for babies up to two years for a variety of medically proven reasons. how and why a mother chooses to provide it is her decision. empowering her is what society should do to provide a the child a good start in life. in fact, it is an accepted practice in many parts of the world--no biggie, just part of life. |
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breastfeeding for "lower insurance premiums" !!!
I can totally see this sign showing up at a public rally hosted by members of Mingle Squared in favor of mothers who breastfeed in public. |
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Edited by
Leigh2154
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Sun 07/05/15 09:26 AM
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Human milk provides the perfect balance of protein, sugar and fat babies need to be healthy... Healthy babies mean healthy adults and healthy adults mean lower medical and hospital expense which translates into lower insurance premiums for all of us...Healthy babies means less chance of your formula fed baby and YOU being exposed to nasty old germs when you do have to share "public" space with something so disgusting as a mother nurturing her child... None of the health benefits are gained because the baby was breast-fed in public. Maybe, maybe not...If mothers feel like they must stay home or arrange their busy schedule around breast feeding their babies because a handful of people find it offensive when done in public they might opt out and use formula... Also for you and Pansy...Breast milk loses powerful antioxidants as well as some nutrients when pumped, refrigerated, stored at room temp or reheated.... |
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Human milk provides the perfect balance of protein, sugar and fat babies need to be healthy... Healthy babies mean healthy adults and healthy adults mean lower medical and hospital expense which translates into lower insurance premiums for all of us...Healthy babies means less chance of your formula fed baby and YOU being exposed to nasty old germs when you do have to share "public" space with something so disgusting as a mother nurturing her child... None of the health benefits are gained because the baby was breast-fed in public. Maybe, maybe not...If mothers feel like they must stay home or arrange their busy schedule around breast feeding their babies because a handful of people find it offensive when done in public they might opt out and use formula... Also for you and Pansy...Breast milk loses powerful antioxidants as well as some nutrients when pumped, refrigerated, stored at room temp or reheated.... still a better alternative than formula, tho. especially for mothers who can't perform breastfeeding in public (for whatever reason).  there are some guidelines as to how it can be stored and for how long.
just for info...breastmilk is not supposed to be heated...but it can be thawed with running tap water so as not to degrade the proteins... either way, giving breastmilk still best for babies unless medically contraindicated. 
it is also financially advantageous and can be (but not absolutely) a form of contraception and weight loss for the mother. 
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Human milk provides the perfect balance of protein, sugar and fat babies need to be healthy... Healthy babies mean healthy adults and healthy adults mean lower medical and hospital expense which translates into lower insurance premiums for all of us...Healthy babies means less chance of your formula fed baby and YOU being exposed to nasty old germs when you do have to share "public" space with something so disgusting as a mother nurturing her child... None of the health benefits are gained because the baby was breast-fed in public. Maybe, maybe not...If mothers feel like they must stay home or arrange their busy schedule around breast feeding their babies because a handful of people find it offensive when done in public they might opt out and use formula... Also for you and Pansy...Breast milk loses powerful antioxidants as well as some nutrients when pumped, refrigerated, stored at room temp or reheated.... still a better alternative than formula, tho. especially for mothers who can't perform breastfeeding in public (for whatever reason). there are some guidelines as to how it can be stored and for how long.
just for info...breastmilk is not supposed to be heated...but it can be thawed with running tap water so as not to degrade the proteins... either way, giving breastmilk still best for babies unless medically contraindicated.
it is also financially advantageous and can be (but not absolutely) a form of contraception and weight loss for the mother.
That's right Ms. Pansy, breast milk is not supposed to be heated....or pumped....or refrigerated.....or stored at room temperature....Breast milk is supposed to be suckled from the mother's breast when her baby is hungry...
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Edited by
Pansytilly
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Sun 07/05/15 10:53 AM
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Human milk provides the perfect balance of protein, sugar and fat babies need to be healthy... Healthy babies mean healthy adults and healthy adults mean lower medical and hospital expense which translates into lower insurance premiums for all of us...Healthy babies means less chance of your formula fed baby and YOU being exposed to nasty old germs when you do have to share "public" space with something so disgusting as a mother nurturing her child... None of the health benefits are gained because the baby was breast-fed in public. Maybe, maybe not...If mothers feel like they must stay home or arrange their busy schedule around breast feeding their babies because a handful of people find it offensive when done in public they might opt out and use formula... Also for you and Pansy...Breast milk loses powerful antioxidants as well as some nutrients when pumped, refrigerated, stored at room temp or reheated.... still a better alternative than formula, tho. especially for mothers who can't perform breastfeeding in public (for whatever reason). there are some guidelines as to how it can be stored and for how long.
just for info...breastmilk is not supposed to be heated...but it can be thawed with running tap water so as not to degrade the proteins... either way, giving breastmilk still best for babies unless medically contraindicated.
it is also financially advantageous and can be (but not absolutely) a form of contraception and weight loss for the mother.
That's right Ms. Pansy, breast milk is not supposed to be heated....or pumped....or refrigerated.....or stored at room temperature....Breast milk is supposed to be suckled from the mother's breast when her baby is hungry...
It most definitely is no argument on that
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All this talk about breast feeding is making me rather peckish
Time for a cookie I think |
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