Topic: Moms march to demand end to police brutality, racial injusti | |
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so if not 'blaming' blacks is bbb what is it called to constantly criticize blacks? ccb? no, I don't know. We should not have to criticize anyone. But, black folks have to realize that they have to accept some of the responsibility for the actions of their own. Not just automatically blame the police for every death that happens when they try to enforce the law. Constantly rioting, looting burning businesses is not a civil way to resolve things. It makes things worse. JMHO I agree, individuals need to take responsibility I stated this in another thread, as a matter of fact,, but being able to spread responsibility requires that we are going to also hold cops responsibile in the process Yes, hold them responsible. There are bad cops no doubt. But those that are doing the drugs and crimes on the streets are some of the most violent and deadly thugs. Black families have to accept responsibility too. families have to take responsibility when their kids break laws,, and we also have to value life enough that crime is no reason for automatic death penalty ok |
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Wow, lot's of news coverage there. I was in DC this weekend... Didn't hear a word about it. |
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Edited by
alleoops
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Mon 05/11/15 07:56 PM
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Wow, lot's of news coverage there. I was in DC this weekend... Didn't hear a word about it. Well let me say, there seemed to be a lot of cameras there. |
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Older opinion piece concerning Ferguson...still think it has relevance today IMO.
Kinda long, js.... "" "" The Plight of Black Men Rest assured, I do believe there are systemic issues plaguing black men. These issues are violence, criminality, and immorality, to name a few. And all of these issues are rooted in and connected to the epidemic of fatherlessness. Any truly gospel- centered response to the plight of black men must address these issues first and foremost. It does no good to change the way white police officers respond to black men if we don’t first address the fact that these men’s fathers have not responded to them appropriately. There is indeed an epidemic of violence against black men. However, that violence, more often than not, occurs at the hands of other black men. In fact, black men are several times more likely to be murdered at the hands of another black man than they are to be killed by the police. For instance, in the FBI homicide stats from 2012 , there were 2,648 blacks murdered. Of those, 2,412 were murdered by members of their own ethnic group. Thus, if I am going to speak out about anything, it will be black-on-black crime; not blue-on- black. I want to apply the gospel and its implications in a way that addresses the real issue. If a few black men being killed by cops requires a national “dialogue,” what in the world does the overwhelming number of black-on-black murders require? If the police do not see black men through the proper gospel-centered, image-of- God lens, what does the black-on- black murder rate say about the way we see ourselves? In addition to violence, black men are plagued with criminality. Low-income black communities like Ferguson know all too well that black criminals preying on their neighbors makes life almost unlivable. Growing up in South Central Los Angeles, I know all too well what it’s like to have bars on the windows and doors for fear that thugs will break in to steal or kill. I remember being robbed at gunpoint on my way home from the store one day. It was one of the most frightening and disheartening events of my life. The fear, helplessness, and anger I felt stayed with me for years. And it taught me an unfortunate lesson: the greatest threat to me was other black men. The underlying malady that gives rise to all the rest of these epidemics is immorality and fatherlessness. We know that fatherlessness is the number one indicator of future violence, dropout rates, out-of-wedlock births, and future incarceration. And in the black community, more than 70 percent of all children are born out of wedlock! Fatherlessness is the bane of the black community. Nor is this plague forced on us. It is as common as morning dew, and as overlooked as dust under a refrigerator. Where are the marches against this travesty? Where are the protestors who demand better? Where are the black “leaders” who . . . oh, that’s right, they have just as many illegitimate children as anyone else. Again, it is common knowledge that this is the most immediate root cause of the ills plaguing black Americans. But What About Racism? I have been pulled over by police for no apparent reason. In fact, it has happened on more than one occasion. I was stopped in Westwood while walking with a friend of mine who was a student at UCLA. We found ourselves lying face down on the sidewalk while officers questioned us. On another occasion, I was stopped while with my uncle. I remember his visceral response as he looked at me and my cousin (his son). The look in his eye was one of humiliation and anger. He looked at the officer and said, “My brother and I didn’t fight in Vietnam so you could treat me like this in front of my son and my nephew.” Again, this experience stayed with me for years. And for many of those years, I blamed “the system” or “the man.” However, I have come to realize that it was no more “the system” when white cops pulled me over than it was “the system” when a black thug robbed me at gunpoint. It was sin! The men who robbed me were sinners. The cops who stopped me were sinners. They were not taking their cues from some script designed to “keep me down.” They were simply men who didn’t understand what it meant to treat others with the dignity and respect they deserve as image bearers of God. It does me absolutely no good to assume that my mistreatment was systemic in nature. No more than it is good for me to assume that what happened in Ferguson was systemic. I have a life to live, and I refuse to live it fighting ghosts. I will not waste my energy trying to prove the Gramscian, neo-Marxist concept of “white privilege” or prejudice in policing practices. I don’t care what advantages my white neighbor may or may not have. If he does have advantages, God bless him! I no more fault him than I fault my own children who have tremendous advantages due to the fact that they were raised by two educated, Christian parents who loved, disciplined, and taught them. Ironically, when I think about THAT advantage, I am filled with joy and gratitude to God for his faithfulness. People are supposed to bequeath an advantage to their children and grandchildren ( Prov. 13:22 ). Why, then, would I be angry with my white neighbor for any advantage he is purported to have? And what good would it do? How does that advance the gospel? Especially in light of the fact that growing up with the gospel is the ultimate privilege/ advantage! It is the advantage that has granted us all “American privilege”! Are we guilty for being citizens of the wealthiest republic in the history of the world? I think not! As a father of seven black men, I tell them to be aware of the fact that there may be times when they may get a closer look, an unwelcome stop, or worse. However, I do not tell them that this means they need to live with a chip on their shoulder, or that the world is out to get them. I certainly don’t tell them that they need to go out and riot (especially when that involves destroying black-owned businesses). I tell them that there are people in the world who need to get to know black people as opposed to just knowing “about” us. I tell them that they will do far more good interacting with those people and shining the light of Christ than they will carrying picket signs. In the end, the best lesson my children can learn from Ferguson is not that they need to be on the lookout for white cops. It is far more important that I use this teachable moment to remind them that “God is not mocked, for whatever one sows, that will he also reap” ( Gal. 6:7 ). Moments before his death, Michael Brown had violently robbed a man in a store. A man doing the best he could to make a living. Minutes later, Brown reaped what he sowed, and was gunned down in the street. That is the sad truth."" http://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/thoughts-on-ferguson |
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this is akin to if doctors suddenly stopped giving a damn about black patients and someone said it was really the fault of black people for not keeping themselves healthy
yes, there are many issues that can be addressed, but its logically fallacious to conclude they some how wash each other out,,,, |
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Whats "logically fallacious" is that a group of people would march and continue to ignore this fact...
"" For instance, in the FBI homicide stats from 2012 , there were 2,648 blacks murdered. Of those, 2,412 were murdered by members of their own ethnic group."" ......and its a vastly supported fact. |
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Whats "logically fallacious" is that a group of people would march and continue to ignore this fact... "" For instance, in the FBI homicide stats from 2012 , there were 2,648 blacks murdered. Of those, 2,412 were murdered by members of their own ethnic group."" ......and its a vastly supported fact. why is there an assumption that marching on one issue is the same as 'ignoring' another? |
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Whats "logically fallacious" is that a group of people would march and continue to ignore this fact... "" For instance, in the FBI homicide stats from 2012 , there were 2,648 blacks murdered. Of those, 2,412 were murdered by members of their own ethnic group."" ......and its a vastly supported fact. why is there an assumption that marching on one issue is the same as 'ignoring' another? |
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Wow, lot's of news coverage there. I was in DC this weekend... Didn't hear a word about it. Well let me say, there seemed to be a lot of cameras there. If it was 10 or 50 black women in matching T-shirts, that showed up... the media would be there, to push the propaganda/ agenda. The Million Mom March was originally, TEN years ago. And it was moms matching against CRIMES committed against CHILDREN. Trying TEN years later trying to TURN it into, black mom's hate cops who ARRESTED their CRIMINAL, ADULT sons.... Didn't work. I ONLY seen 3 articles, on the march, all of which said "Mom's acrossed the country Marched" So where are ALL these moms. ? IF mom's ACROSS the country REALLY did UNITE & MARCH on Washington DC.... we would be seeing, WHITE, ASIAN, HISPANIC etc, mom's & grand mom's with baby strollers.... crying as the media hounds them & shoves microphones in their face, asking questions to make them cry. * Morning talk shows would be eating that up & exploiting it for days* |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Tue 05/12/15 12:07 PM
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Whats "logically fallacious" is that a group of people would march and continue to ignore this fact... "" For instance, in the FBI homicide stats from 2012 , there were 2,648 blacks murdered. Of those, 2,412 were murdered by members of their own ethnic group."" ......and its a vastly supported fact. why is there an assumption that marching on one issue is the same as 'ignoring' another? very tell me, if I see a woman being beat on this street corner and a dog being kicked on another,,,how many can I attend to at once? does that mean I 'ignored' the other? is it still possible for me to help both, even though I can only help one at any given moment? in the same sense,, why assume because you see someone protest police brutality that they dont ALSO volunteer at a shelter or ALSO take part in crime reduction programs? and if they dont, does that bar them from being able to care about or attend to the issue of police brutality? should we be required to have no 'black on black 'crime before we speak out about police misconduct? should we have not gender gap before we assist women in other countries who are oppressed? seriously? |
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Well, how about they redirect their racist hatred towards white cops to teaching their children right from wrong instead of yelling into a bullhorn. Their children deserve better.
Seriously. |
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should we be required to have no 'black on black 'crime before we speak out about police misconduct? Required? No...but it would go along way towards these moms credibility if they would have a march every time one of their kids was shot by another black kid.....of course, that would be a WHOLE lot of marching.
As it is, they only care about complaining about "the man"....whether he be white or blue.....meanwhile their kids continue killing each other and these same moms b!tch and moan about the police not doing anything. The irony is ridiculous. |
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the middle on is about to swallow the Mike!
Really absurd,the whole March! Stop blaming others! You've failed your Kids,NOT the Police! |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Tue 05/12/15 04:40 PM
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Well, how about they redirect their racist hatred towards white cops to teaching their children right from wrong instead of yelling into a bullhorn. Their children deserve better. Seriously. again, you underestimate the ability of people to do MANY different things from day to dfay who did freddie gray kill, or treyvon martin , or any of the other recently shot or killed UNARMED black males? |
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should we be required to have no 'black on black 'crime before we speak out about police misconduct? Required? No...but it would go along way towards these moms credibility if they would have a march every time one of their kids was shot by another black kid.....of course, that would be a WHOLE lot of marching.
As it is, they only care about complaining about "the man"....whether he be white or blue.....meanwhile their kids continue killing each other and these same moms b!tch and moan about the police not doing anything. The irony is ridiculous. wow,,,I just dont know what to say if you dont see the difference black on black crime or as its otherwise known CRIME< doesnt draw marches because the JUSTICE SYSTEM has been set to deliver justice for those crimes when their is no justice when one group commits crime though, because of their uniform,, and when they are paid and trained to protect,,, it draws attention and marches for changes to make people do their JOBS |
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Well, how about they redirect their racist hatred towards white cops to teaching their children right from wrong instead of yelling into a bullhorn. Their children deserve better. Seriously. again, you underestimate the ability of people to do MANY different things from day to dfay who did freddie gray kill, or treyvon martin , or any of the other recently shot or killed UNARMED black males? again, your fail to see the root cause of their deaths and probably never will. You, like them are blinded by hate. Hate will only bring more hate and nothing will change. |
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Edited by
David8976
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Tue 05/12/15 05:32 PM
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At the end of the day society (all of us) are to blame. We need better education (law, psychology, neuroscience), better health care that's free, better justice and government system, better social security system if not guaranteed minimum income system, some sort of guaranteed housing/food system, public control over government including police, better screening of government employees including police/military/politicians since the current one is very flawed and mandatory drug and psychological testing for everyone. It's not reasonable to expect people to help others when they can't even help themselves. Quite a few common problems are genetic and people don't know how to recognize much less deal with them. People should take responsibility for the society we have created/participate in.
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Oh for heavens sake! More excuses... Society is NOT to blame for criminals, bad behavior & little or no parenting, IS.
Life & CHANGE begins at home. If someone is NOT taught how to conduct themselves in society & contribute to it... that is the parents fault. And if they are an adult... there own responsibility. EVERYONE is accountable for their actions. |
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black on black crime or as its otherwise known
CRIME< doesnt draw marches because the PEOPLE LIVING IN THOSE COMMUNITIES couldnt care any less about shining a spotlight on their cumulative failures as A community when its much easier to blame someone else Fixed it for ya.....but you go ahead and have the last word. Im bored of people who refuse to accept responsibility for their actions and shout "racism" when the inevitable consequences of said actions occur. |
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Well, how about they redirect their racist hatred towards white cops to teaching their children right from wrong instead of yelling into a bullhorn. Their children deserve better. Seriously. again, you underestimate the ability of people to do MANY different things from day to dfay who did freddie gray kill, or treyvon martin , or any of the other recently shot or killed UNARMED black males? Travon, wasn't killed by a cop. |
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