No big deal... I don't like Farrah or Brayton..

No one should be ok with limiting speech just because you don't like what they say..

All klan rallies are met with counter rallies that usually are much much larger. That's how you repudiate stupidity not by banning it.

the sites will not work for me, howeever free speech is alive and well in the United states

as well as hate speech, i hear it everyday out in the world and read it most days here in the forum, and yet to see anyone arrested for it

howver INCITING, is another question, as are things like slander, perjury, traitorism,, which limit the legality of ones 'speech'

every right in the bill of rights has been repeatedly violated over and over. i would love to post the list of each right and how it was violated over and over but sadly the list is so damn big it wont even fit on this page. its our own fault as we keep letting gov. take and take and take. if we dont stop them, theyre going to continue to take and take and take. here is an example of JUST the first amendment.

First Amendment

The 1st Amendment protects speech, religion, assembly and the press:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

However, the government is arresting those speaking out … and violently crushing peaceful assemblies which attempt to petition the government for redress.

A federal judge found that the law allowing indefinite detention of Americans without due process has a “chilling effect” on free speech. And see this and this.

There are also enacted laws allowing the secret service to arrest anyone protesting near the president or other designated folks (that might explain incidents like this).

The threat of being labeled a terrorist for exercising our First Amendment rights certainly violates the First Amendment. The government is using laws to crush dissent, and it’s gotten so bad that even U.S. Supreme Court justices are saying that we are descending into tyranny.

For example, the following actions may get an American citizen living on U.S. soil labeled as a “suspected terrorist” today:

Being young (if you live near a battle zone, you are fair game; and see this)

Using social media

Reporting or doing journalism

Speaking out against government policies

Protesting anything (such as participating in the “Occupy” movement)

Questioning war (even though war reduces our national security; and see this)

Criticizing the government’s targeting of innocent civilians with drones (although killing innocent civilians with drones is one of the main things which increases terrorism. And see this)

Asking questions about pollution (even at a public Congressional hearing?)

Paying cash at an Internet cafe

Asking questions about Wall Street shenanigans

Holding gold

Creating alternative currencies

Stocking up on more than 7 days of food (even though all Mormons are taught to stockpile food, and most Hawaiians store up on extra food)

Having bumper stickers saying things like “Know Your Rights Or Lose Them”

Investigating factory farming

Infringing a copyright

Taking pictures or videos

Talking to police officers

Wearing a hoodie

Driving a van

Writing on a piece of paper

(Not having a Facebook account may soon be added)

And holding the following beliefs may also be considered grounds for suspected terrorism:

Being frustrated with “mainstream ideologies”

Valuing online privacy

Supporting Ron Paul or being a libertarian

Liking the Founding Fathers

Being a Christian

Being anti-tax, anti-regulation or for the gold standard

Being “reverent of individual liberty”

Being “anti-nuclear”

“Believe in conspiracy theories”

“A belief that one’s personal and/or national “way of life” is under attack”

“Impose strict religious tenets or laws on society (fundamentalists)”

“Insert religion into the political sphere”

“Those who seek to politicize religion”

“Supported political movements for autonomy”

Being “anti-abortion”

Being “anti-Catholic”

Being “anti-global”

“Suspicious of centralized federal authority”

“Fiercely nationalistic (as opposed to universal and international in orientation)”

“A belief in the need to be prepared for an attack either by participating in … survivalism”

Opposing genetically engineered food

Opposing surveillance

Of course, Muslims are more or less subject to a separate system of justice in America.

And 1st Amendment rights are especially chilled when power has become so concentrated that the same agency which spies on all Americans also decides who should be assassinated.

thinking things through, huh...

The USA's First Amendment is designed to protect speech that isn't popular, as well as speech that is popular.

Of course there are Humans who want to prevent speech that is simply unpopular with them. However, I see no evidence that such "unpopular" speech is in any danger of being snuffed out in the USA.

As for that particular blog post that the OP refers to in the first post, that blog post promotes a claim being made by one particular party known to ask deliberately-biased questions*.


*See page 2 of the following:
http://course1.winona.edu/thooks/Media/Handout%203%20final.pdf

http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/the-garland-shooting-isnt-about-free-speech-its-about-islam/

The Garland shooting shouldn’t have opened a discussion on free speech, but rather a discussion of what to do about radical Islam

BRAVO
( We need an applause smiley)

" Blaming Geller for hosting that event that lead to a shooting is like blaming a rape victim for wearing a short dress "

Personally i am SO feed up with the mindset of 'what did we do wrong?' & ' let's not upset ANYONE or those that scream the loudest '

However we are losing FREE speech as Americans (& elsewhere) & as NON Muslims groups & NON Muslims nations.... which of course Muslim/ Islam carries THEIR own laws.... being SHARIA law.
Logically- as a nation (and NOT a global society), WE can NOT tolerate ALL things ISLAMIC or ALL things 'The Nation of Islam' & SURVIVE as SEPARATE ENTITIES (communites & nations) on the planet.

The Mayor of Garland Texas (May 6,2015), has attacked Pamela Geller (which lead to a shouting match), for hosting a FREE speech event in his town. The Mayor claiming it is NOT radical Islam, but her FREE speech event that put his town at risk.

www.breibart.com/national-security/ 2015/05/06garland-mayor-pamela- gellers-ideology-not-radical-islam-put -my-citizens-at-risk/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/05/07/no-theres-no-hate-speech-exception-to-the-first-amendment/

100% agreed. we dont need a war on speech, we need a war against these terrorists who want to tell us we cant draw pictures or say certain things because THEY dont approve of it. thanks to obamas awesome border security these terrorists are flooding into the united states day after day. way to go barry, some legacy your going to leave.

PC- Political Correctness, in my mind that is & has been a battle in the USA, against CONTROLLED SPEECH. (possibly) Pre-Obama administration.
Of course he took it to a whole NEW level... beyond politeness & into an attempt of THOUGHT/ BELIEF/PUBLIC & LEGAL OPINION control.

Example : Alien Immigrants/ Illegal aliens/ Illegal Immigrants, he wants "Undocumented Americans" Of course they are 'Undocumented'.., they are illegal.
And NO they are NOT Americans, never were, & probably never will be or even have a desire to be.

illegal aliens have more rights than some americans, which is BS considered theyre breaking either 2 felonies and 1 misdemeanor just by being here. or maybe its the other way around 1 felony and 2 misdemeanors. either way their breaking laws just by being here, but they get a pass, when average americans never get a pass.

I used america as a reference point,
because it is my home.
Not to infer, that other countries don't have
free speech.

I'm sure that if someone came to your "home",
and demanded that you change your very way
of life, you'd want them to leave as well.

where in the 1th Amendment is "Hate-Speech defined?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/05/07/no-theres-no-hate-speech-exception-to-the-first-amendment/

No, there’s no “hate speech” exception to the First Amendment

I think we should KEEP calling a spade a spade within reasonable politeness.
Example: Lesbian instead of Dyke

But agree, illegals should not be getting a FREE life or lifesyle,in the USA or anywhere. Each country has THEIR OWN suffering & needy citizens & should be taking care of & TEACHING them to provide for themselves within reason. Certain disabilities being the exception of course.

When I hear of American Veterans , or the elderly, getting screwed over or the stats on how many hungry American children there are or entire communities (Kentucky & Alaska) that lack wells & showering/ toilet facilities.... I'm irate, that WE are NOT taking care of or helping or teaching OUR OWN.

Economicaly we simply can NOT afford all these illegals. We can not afford to vaccinate or educate or house just the children of illegal immigrants.

* Hummm.... camps? - God forbid *

I vote for transportation tickets for especially for the undesirables/ criminals, to go celebrate THEIR own Independence Day, And NOT try to change all the HOST countries.
Let's face it.. many HOUSE GUESTS have WORN out their WELCOME.

Even the SCOTUS, in a draft written by Scalia of all people, said that hate speech is protected under the 1st amendment unless used to besmirch or defame in a personal, or frontal attack on another individual thereby abusing their personal rights which are also protected

Look it up.

Truthinmedia.com just did an article about it as CNN anchor Cuomo used a court case to try and say on a facebook post that hate speech wasn't protected under the 1st amendment of the Constitution. He then told people to "read it".

It was a move that was quickly challenged and he was proven to need to read it himself since he was wrong.

He then sited a singular court case trying hard to back-peddle and soften the blow to his ignorance, and again challenged and lost when the Scalia draft was sited.

Read it here:

http://truthinmedia.com/cnn-anchor-hate-speech-not-protected-by-constitution-read-it/

As I posted above about the CNN anchor who felt the same was true as you do....

http://truthinmedia.com/cnn-anchor-hate-speech-not-protected-by-constitution-read-it/

In this day and age tho, and under this liberal admin and those of previous (even the Repulsicons) as well, they want people to believe the laws are what they enforce, NOT what was actually written and codified in them!

They, thru their false interpretations of the law, and their sponsored media propagandizing their falsehood, are a bigger threat to America than any hate speech!