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| Topic: I am confused ... about the word thug ... | |
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Poppycock. Thug has nothing to do with race only actions. I will call a thig a thug regardless.
PC crap is getting out of hand. |
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"Thug" can be referenced to many things....and we have seen examples in this thread. Thug does not mean "All black people are thugs". The rioters themselves are thugs because they are bullying society in Baltimore. The Mayor of Baltimore called the rioters thugs, as did our President. And the rioters actions are thuggish so if the shoe fits then by all means use it to describe the rioters actions.
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I think the rioters are goofy.
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I think the rioters are goofy. There can be only one Goof.  
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when did the word thug become a raciest word ...meaning a black person...I have always thought a thug was someone like a bully and a large person that may kill you if in the mafias or in prisons ... a bouncer in a club... someone doing crimes... someones body guard ... but they say now ...it is use to mean... something very racial ... if blacks want to be known for that... what ever... but not the first thing that comes to mind... when saying someone is a thug ... well it rhymes with bug that's one thing about it thug has no racial context unless someone assigns ones...thugness, including pants that don't fit and baseball hats that apparently do not fit either because they keep turning sideways and backwards, and untied shoes can be worn by thugabees of any color  
(thugabee = thug wannabe) |
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 How can a word be racist? Words can't even run!
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when did the word thug become a raciest word ...meaning a black person...I have always thought a thug was someone like a bully and a large person that may kill you if in the mafias or in prisons ... a bouncer in a club... someone doing crimes... someones body guard ... but they say now ...it is use to mean... something very racial ... if blacks want to be known for that... what ever... but not the first thing that comes to mind... when saying someone is a thug ... well it rhymes with bug that's one thing about it thug has no racial context unless someone assigns ones...thugness, including pants that don't fit and baseball hats that apparently do not fit either because they keep turning sideways and backwards, and untied shoes can be worn by thugabees of any color
(thugabee = thug wannabe) I totally agree, context defines a word and the speaker defines the context thug, has a meaning that is not related to race however, speakers can apply a racial CONTEXT to the word if they choose to use it to describe only a certain race of individual like if I chose to refer to the 19 year old white guy spraypainting a fire hydrant as a thug,, but the 19 year old black guy as a misguided youth choice of word when it is predicated on race, can deem the usage racise,,, |
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I totally agree, context defines a word and the
Not quite true. For example, If I see an African American man robbing a store, and I say "Look at that thug", he may perceive I said that because he's African American.....when, in reality, Im saying it because he is robbing a store. Thats on him for misconstrueing my intended meaning.
speaker defines the context |
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I totally agree, context defines a word and the
Not quite true. For example, If I see an African American man robbing a store, and I say "Look at that thug", he may perceive I said that because he's African American.....when, in reality, Im saying it because he is robbing a store. Thats on him for misconstrueing my intended meaning.
speaker defines the context I never stated that people cant get the context wrong,,, only explaining how a word whose definition doesn't include race can be used in a context that does,,, |
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I have never considered it a racial description.
It is more of a description of attitude, manners (or the lack there of), social behavior that is intimidating, adopting the demeanor or dress of a criminal or underclass person or subgroup in or out of another uniform. Usually it is a subgroup of another community that has a get over; an " I get you before you get me" bravado. Thugs are people of every race who are rarely brave unless they have followers that are cheering them on or hiding their negative behavior. Thugs are someone who uses size, numbers, money, or other types of power to over come a weaker person, or a person who is isolated, or minority. Usually someone who uses crude slang, profanity, sexual innuendo, brandishing a weapon, or threats to instill fear, compliance, or submission to get what they want. Someone who consistently takes with no regard to the rights of others or the community at large. Thugs often have no job or their only job is hurting others. Not security personal but can be security people who use it for extra perks or the pleasure of bossing others when not needed. Someone who consistently skates on the edge of rules or breaks them when no-one is looking or can't stop them. Often but not always someone who comes from similar parentage or societal group where anything goes. Usually someone who has no role model or a marginalized role model who does not nurture or control them well except with bribes or dominance. A person who assumes a persona or issue when no real personal stake exists in the group. Outsiders who come in and exploit situations to steal, stir up bad feelings, or just exercise completely out of control behavior. Someone who has little restraint in using illegal substances or weapons. Someone who comes into a bad situation to self promote, profiteer, and/or distract attention from the real issue. It is not a compliment and should generate shame in anyone who wears the label but often generates a sense of satisfaction that they have gotten attention, any attention negative or positive. |
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thug and thuggish are words I use for people who look intimidating, like they might know where to hide the body.
it doesn't matter the color or their origins. |
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I totally agree, context defines a word and the
Not quite true. For example, If I see an African American man robbing a store, and I say "Look at that thug", he may perceive I said that because he's African American.....when, in reality, Im saying it because he is robbing a store. Thats on him for misconstrueing my intended meaning.
speaker defines the context I never stated that people cant get the context wrong,,, only explaining how a word whose definition doesn't include race can be used in a context that does,,, |
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I have never considered it a racial description. It is more of a description of attitude, manners (or the lack there of), social behavior that is intimidating, adopting the demeanor or dress of a criminal or underclass person or subgroup in or out of another uniform. Usually it is a subgroup of another community that has a get over; an " I get you before you get me" bravado. Thugs are people of every race who are rarely brave unless they have followers that are cheering them on or hiding their negative behavior. Thugs are someone who uses size, numbers, money, or other types of power to over come a weaker person, or a person who is isolated, or minority. Usually someone who uses crude slang, profanity, sexual innuendo, brandishing a weapon, or threats to instill fear, compliance, or submission to get what they want. Someone who consistently takes with no regard to the rights of others or the community at large. Thugs often have no job or their only job is hurting others. Not security personal but can be security people who use it for extra perks or the pleasure of bossing others when not needed. Someone who consistently skates on the edge of rules or breaks them when no-one is looking or can't stop them. Often but not always someone who comes from similar parentage or societal group where anything goes. Usually someone who has no role model or a marginalized role model who does not nurture or control them well except with bribes or dominance. A person who assumes a persona or issue when no real personal stake exists in the group. Outsiders who come in and exploit situations to steal, stir up bad feelings, or just exercise completely out of control behavior. Someone who has little restraint in using illegal substances or weapons. Someone who comes into a bad situation to self promote, profiteer, and/or distract attention from the real issue. It is not a compliment and should generate shame in anyone who wears the label but often generates a sense of satisfaction that they have gotten attention, any attention negative or positive. Are you describing cops or gang bangers?
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historical A member of an organization of robbers and assassins in India. Devotees of the goddess Kali, the Thugs waylaid and strangled their victims, usually travellers, in a ritually prescribed manner. They were suppressed by the British in the 1830s. The above is from Google and the English Oxford dictionary. But in more modern times,and to me,the closest description would be 'bully'.I don't see it having anything to do with race now,other than it's origin. You got it right! |
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when did the word thug become a raciest word ...meaning a black person...I have always thought a thug was someone like a bully and a large person that may kill you if in the mafias or in prisons ... a bouncer in a club... someone doing crimes... someones body guard ... but they say now ...it is use to mean... something very racial ... if blacks want to be known for that... what ever... but not the first thing that comes to mind... when saying someone is a thug ... well it rhymes with bug that's one thing about it thug has no racial context unless someone assigns ones...thugness, including pants that don't fit and baseball hats that apparently do not fit either because they keep turning sideways and backwards, and untied shoes can be worn by thugabees of any color
(thugabee = thug wannabe) I totally agree, context defines a word and the speaker defines the context thug, has a meaning that is not related to race however, speakers can apply a racial CONTEXT to the word if they choose to use it to describe only a certain race of individual like if I chose to refer to the 19 year old white guy spraypainting a fire hydrant as a thug,, but the 19 year old black guy as a misguided youth choice of word when it is predicated on race, can deem the usage racise,,, well thugs seem pretty misguided to me, but I get what you mean. To apply more negative terminology to one race can be racist if it is done consistently. A misguided youth may become a thug and that applies equally :) |
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THUG - T = HUG
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I have never considered it a racial description. It is more of a description of attitude, manners (or the lack there of), social behavior that is intimidating, adopting the demeanor or dress of a criminal or underclass person or subgroup in or out of another uniform. Usually it is a subgroup of another community that has a get over; an " I get you before you get me" bravado. Thugs are people of every race who are rarely brave unless they have followers that are cheering them on or hiding their negative behavior. Thugs are someone who uses size, numbers, money, or other types of power to over come a weaker person, or a person who is isolated, or minority. Usually someone who uses crude slang, profanity, sexual innuendo, brandishing a weapon, or threats to instill fear, compliance, or submission to get what they want. Someone who consistently takes with no regard to the rights of others or the community at large. Thugs often have no job or their only job is hurting others. Not security personal but can be security people who use it for extra perks or the pleasure of bossing others when not needed. Someone who consistently skates on the edge of rules or breaks them when no-one is looking or can't stop them. Often but not always someone who comes from similar parentage or societal group where anything goes. Usually someone who has no role model or a marginalized role model who does not nurture or control them well except with bribes or dominance. A person who assumes a persona or issue when no real personal stake exists in the group. Outsiders who come in and exploit situations to steal, stir up bad feelings, or just exercise completely out of control behavior. Someone who has little restraint in using illegal substances or weapons. Someone who comes into a bad situation to self promote, profiteer, and/or distract attention from the real issue. It is not a compliment and should generate shame in anyone who wears the label but often generates a sense of satisfaction that they have gotten attention, any attention negative or positive. Are you describing cops or gang bangers?
[/quote) Sadly there are times when it can and does describe both. It is sad when it is someone who is suppose to be a professional and protect the public and even prisoners but sometimes it is true. I was very glad to see the charges brought in regards to the man who had his neck broken in the van. I am not sure how you could restrain a passenger so that they could not escape but if we require seatbelt for other riders then surely in transport it could be arranged. In a van with steel panels to be handcuffed so you can not even keep yourself balanced it would be very easy to be bashed around. What will be tell tale is how and when the injury was sustained. Hopefully video cameras of the arrest and transport and then and autopsy can tell the truth of the situation. It is much easier than people realize to break bones, especially spinal cord injuries, of a prisoner who resists being arrested or transported. I have seen prisoners bash their own heads while in custody which would result in spinal cord and brain damage. But since many prisoners would rather die than be incarcerated suicidal behavior is not unusual. It is always best to co-operate and do exactly what you are told to do when being arrested no matter how "stressed" you are so there is no justification to hurt you. Won't guarantee you won't be hurt but it does reduce the chances. |
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Something factual to think about, if you actually want some insight, and not just to reinforce your existing prejudices....
the "N" word itself, was not originally an epithet or an insult. It was a corrupted pronunciation of the word "negro," and was a descriptive designation just as "oriental" or "caucasian" was. What turned it INTO the horrible word it is taken to be today, is the intentions and actions of the people using it. |
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