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Topic: judgement day ?? about collective social conscience
SheikOfLaBroquerie Joined Thu 01/31/13 Posts: 1973	Mon 02/02/15 10:40 AM
Conrad_73, never ceases to amaze me. You hit the nail on the head, Conrad!

SheikOfLaBroquerie Joined Thu 01/31/13 Posts: 1973	Mon 02/02/15 11:00 AM
Okay Toks88, You believe in God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit, as three personifications of the one Entity, right? Please explain to me, if we are to assume, that if Jesus-God Almighty is praying to Father-God Almighty, like at Matthew 26: 38+39, and because the Doctrine of the Trinity dictates, 'God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost, are all co-equal, co-eternal, and non-divisible, one in-being with the other... WHO, is Jesus praying to...? And WHY? (Apparently, They/It, Are The Same Entity With A Non-Divisible Will)

Toks88 Joined Sun 01/20/13 Posts: 4337	Mon 02/02/15 11:02 AM
Yes, yes, realcarebear and I had a very long discussion and She admits to not being a Trinitarian Christian. She believes as I do, that Jesus is a separate entity from the Almighty God. Do You, Toks88, think this way as well? Well, that's for realcarebear if truly she said so. I'm not against her believe. All I believe is the Bible and not my own knowledge. There was a time I argued the second coming of our Lord Jesus Christ in my heart till the Lord revealed His second coming to me. Our confession of Faith in God includes God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. They are three in one, one in three----a Holy Trinity. Jesus says: "My Father is greater than I" (John 14:28). He also says: "I and my Father are one" (John 10:30) and the Holy Spirit "proceedeth from the Farther" (John 15:26). Jesus taught the Trinity very plainly when He gave the great commission to "Go . . . and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost* (Matthew 28:19). Jesus Christ says, " God is a Spirit" (John 4:24). The apostle Peter said to Ananais, "Why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost?.... Thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God" (Acts 5:3,4). This signifies that God and the Holy Ghost are one. "And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth. For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Farther, the Word [Son], and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one" (1John 5:6,7). I (Toks88) believes in the Trinity. you mean the Roman Church had to invent the Trinity so the First Commandment wasn't violated? The first commandment which says, "Thou shalt have no other gods before me." (Exodus 20:3), does not mean the Roman Church had to invent the Trinity or not. Anyone who claims to be Christ's follower must believe and live by the WORD OF GOD fully and have the KNOWLEDGE OF GOD to know why he/she professes to be Christ's follower. Secondly, the first commandment talks about the strange [gods] men can introduce owing to their sense of reasoning or choice of living with such ideas of having a god for themselves which is contrary to the Almighty God of the Holy Bible which GOD speaks here.. And that's another reason why we should study the WORD OF GOD deeply to renew our mind.

SheikOfLaBroquerie Joined Thu 01/31/13 Posts: 1973	Mon 02/02/15 11:12 AM
You, Toks88, also admit that Jesus said his Father is greater than himself... Again, an oxy-moron of what the Trinity Doctrine actually teaches! I often use this same verse in defence of NOT advocating the would-be Trinity. Nothing 'co-equal' about that statement!

Toks88 Joined Sun 01/20/13 Posts: 4337	Mon 02/02/15 12:24 PM
God the Father is the Almighty God (The Father Of Our LORD Jesus Christ), God the Son is Jesus Christ (The Lord and Savior of the whole world whom was manifested by the POWER of the HOLY Spirit, or the POWER of GOD). All are ONE.

SheikOfLaBroquerie Joined Thu 01/31/13 Posts: 1973	Mon 02/02/15 12:42 PM Edited by SheikOfLaBroquerie on Mon 02/02/15 12:51 PM
Please, define 'one', Toks88. One, as in husband and wife will-be 'one'...? Or, as in, three play-roles by the same 'one' actor?

Toks88 Joined Sun 01/20/13 Posts: 4337	Tue 02/03/15 02:56 AM
Please, define 'one', Toks88. One, as in husband and wife will-be 'one'...? Or, as in, three play-roles by the same 'one' actor? The GOD of heaven whom created the heavens and the earth is a SUPREME BEING whom revealed HIS love to us through HIS Son JESUS CHRIST (the Light of the world), Spirit of God that moved upon the face of the waters has been living and existing before the beginning began. (Genesis 1:1-3). In the time of Abraham, Noah, Moses, Elijah, Isaiah were the time GOD was speaking to them. Then 'JESUS CHRIST' was not then manifested into the world but HE was with the FATHER. And GOD sent HIS SON (JESUS CHRIST) into the world to redeem man from sinful nature, the time their ignorant and sin was too much that they gone out of 'the will of GOD and nature of GOD' due to the disobedient of the first man and woman (Adam and Eve). In the time of John the Baptist, Peter, James, Philip, John were the time JESUS was manifested to bring [man] back to GOD. (John 3:16). And after JESUS had already done what the FATHER sent HIM to do, HE left and then send us the HOLY SPIRIT (HOLY GHOST) whom would teach, guild, lead and remind us of what we long to know till HE returns the second time to take the worthy believers home. And that's what we are here in the world doing, waiting untill the last day.

SheikOfLaBroquerie Joined Thu 01/31/13 Posts: 1973	Tue 02/03/15 10:03 AM Edited by SheikOfLaBroquerie on Tue 02/03/15 10:09 AM
Okay Toks88, I'm not entirely certain the question that I asked was actually answered, but by the grammatical construction of Your reply, One would assume that even You believe God Almighty is a different entity from Jesus and likewise the Holy Ghost. You use such phrases as, "THROUGH' his Son..." and, "he was 'WITH' the Father" and, "SENT' his Son..." and, "BRING [man] BACK' to God..." and, "Father 'SENT' him..." and, He 'LEFT AND SENT us the Holy Spirit..." Please tell me that even YOU are clearly articulating a difference between Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, when You use such words as, THROUGH, WITH, SENT, BRING-BACK, and He LEFT AND SENT us the Holy Spirit... (Who's Supposed To Be The Same Entity) It's glaringly apparent, through 'YOUR OWN' sentence structure, that even You can not convey (Grammatically Correct) that Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are the same Entity, as the would-be Trinity Doctrine would dictate! So which one is it, Tok88...? <----- JUST THE ONE QUESTION -----<<<< The Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are separate Entities that are 'one' in their purpose...? Or... Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are the same Entity? (Entity: One Soul Or Being) .

Toks88 Joined Sun 01/20/13 Posts: 4337	Tue 02/03/15 11:54 PM
Okay Toks88, I'm not entirely certain the question that I asked was actually answered, but by the grammatical construction of Your reply, One would assume that even You believe God Almighty is a different entity from Jesus and likewise the Holy Ghost. You use such phrases as, "THROUGH' his Son..." and, "he was 'WITH' the Father" and, "SENT' his Son..." and, "BRING [man] BACK' to God..." and, "Father 'SENT' him..." and, He 'LEFT AND SENT us the Holy Spirit..." Please tell me that even YOU are clearly articulating a difference between Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, when You use such words as, THROUGH, WITH, SENT, BRING-BACK, and He LEFT AND SENT us the Holy Spirit... (Who's Supposed To Be The Same Entity) It's glaringly apparent, through 'YOUR OWN' sentence structure, that even You can not convey (Grammatically Correct) that Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are the same Entity, as the would-be Trinity Doctrine would dictate! So which one is it, Tok88...? <----- JUST THE ONE QUESTION -----<<<< The Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are separate Entities that are 'one' in their purpose...? Or... Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are the same Entity? (Entity: One Soul Or Being) . One Spirit Being that manifests Himself in different places around the world at the same time. We cannot know HIM all. HE is wonderful.

say689rake960 Joined Thu 12/04/14 Posts: 29	Wed 02/04/15 12:56 AM
I was raised Christian, was never told this, this is the first I have heard of judgment day being an 'excuse' for anything It's pretty difficult impossible I tank to argue with someone using different instructions.If you believe the subject matter it's ok but if you don't then on at basis can we really argue?I believe the bible n God but if you don't you will need to respect my beliefs n try to understand them. About judgement anyone with a responsibility will be judged higher than the rest.Remember there are those who used to sacrifice doves in the old testament whereas priest could only offer bulls.In the new testament remember the parable of the talents?To.who.many has been given much will be expected. About non religious leaders it's also true.Romans 1:18 onwards says that God has revealed all there's to know bout him,therefore as also in Acts the Times of ignorance He overlooked but now commands men to repent.Again in Romans 8 it says that if you lived without the law you will be judged without the law. Lets take our responsibilities spiritual or not seriously.

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Wed 02/04/15 01:27 AM
Okay Toks88, I'm not entirely certain the question that I asked was actually answered, but by the grammatical construction of Your reply, One would assume that even You believe God Almighty is a different entity from Jesus and likewise the Holy Ghost. You use such phrases as, "THROUGH' his Son..." and, "he was 'WITH' the Father" and, "SENT' his Son..." and, "BRING [man] BACK' to God..." and, "Father 'SENT' him..." and, He 'LEFT AND SENT us the Holy Spirit..." Please tell me that even YOU are clearly articulating a difference between Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, when You use such words as, THROUGH, WITH, SENT, BRING-BACK, and He LEFT AND SENT us the Holy Spirit... (Who's Supposed To Be The Same Entity) It's glaringly apparent, through 'YOUR OWN' sentence structure, that even You can not convey (Grammatically Correct) that Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are the same Entity, as the would-be Trinity Doctrine would dictate! So which one is it, Tok88...? <----- JUST THE ONE QUESTION -----<<<< The Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are separate Entities that are 'one' in their purpose...? Or... Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are the same Entity? (Entity: One Soul Or Being) . One Spirit Being that manifests Himself in different places around the world at the same time. We cannot know HIM all. HE is wonderful. Schizophrenia?

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Wed 02/04/15 01:29 AM
I was raised Christian, was never told this, this is the first I have heard of judgment day being an 'excuse' for anything It's pretty difficult impossible I tank to argue with someone using different instructions.If you believe the subject matter it's ok but if you don't then on at basis can we really argue?I believe the bible n God but if you don't you will need to respect my beliefs n try to understand them. About judgement anyone with a responsibility will be judged higher than the rest.Remember there are those who used to sacrifice doves in the old testament whereas priest could only offer bulls.In the new testament remember the parable of the talents?To.who.many has been given much will be expected. About non religious leaders it's also true.Romans 1:18 onwards says that God has revealed all there's to know bout him,therefore as also in Acts the Times of ignorance He overlooked but now commands men to repent.Again in Romans 8 it says that if you lived without the law you will be judged without the law. Lets take our responsibilities spiritual or not seriously. it is amazing how often you Guys quote Paul the Usurper!

SheikOfLaBroquerie Joined Thu 01/31/13 Posts: 1973	Wed 02/04/15 09:40 AM Edited by SheikOfLaBroquerie on Wed 02/04/15 09:48 AM
***** Toks88's Quote *** One Spirit Being that manifests Himself in different places around the world at the same time. We cannot know HIM all. HE is wonderful. ** End Of Quote ** Okay, very good Toks88. I also do believe that if the True God so wishes, he can send whomever he wishes among those who live in good-standing in his presents. Undoubtably, Jesus is at the right-hand of Allah's presents, and the True God has obviously sent Jesus and other emissaries like Angels to do his biding. Now, is it correct to assume that every entity that Almighty God sends is 'one-in-the-same' as being God? (Remember, Nobody Has Ever Seen God) **** Let's stay with answering, one question at a time! *****

SheikOfLaBroquerie Joined Thu 01/31/13 Posts: 1973	Wed 02/04/15 09:56 AM
I was raised Christian, was never told this, this is the first I have heard of judgment day being an 'excuse' for anything It's pretty difficult impossible I tank to argue with someone using different instructions.If you believe the subject matter it's ok but if you don't then on at basis can we really argue?I believe the bible n God but if you don't you will need to respect my beliefs n try to understand them. About judgement anyone with a responsibility will be judged higher than the rest.Remember there are those who used to sacrifice doves in the old testament whereas priest could only offer bulls.In the new testament remember the parable of the talents?To.who.many has been given much will be expected. About non religious leaders it's also true.Romans 1:18 onwards says that God has revealed all there's to know bout him,therefore as also in Acts the Times of ignorance He overlooked but now commands men to repent.Again in Romans 8 it says that if you lived without the law you will be judged without the law. Lets take our responsibilities spiritual or not seriously. it is amazing how often you Guys quote Paul the Usurper! Whom, has the Apostle Paul usurped? To the best of my understanding, if he wasn't preaching freely, he was incarcerated by Roman solders or Scribes and Pharisees.

messi_is_a_tim_1888 Joined Fri 11/28/14 Posts: 3309	Wed 02/04/15 10:11 AM
God the Father is the Almighty God (The Father Of Our LORD Jesus Christ), God the Son is Jesus Christ (The Lord and Savior of the whole world whom was manifested by the POWER of the HOLY Spirit, or the POWER of GOD). All are ONE. Toks, you look like a young Frank Bruno, the Boxer?

mightymoe Joined Sun 11/19/06 Posts: 37362	Wed 02/04/15 10:14 AM
so did jesus know (or think) he was a god?

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Wed 02/04/15 10:20 AM
I was raised Christian, was never told this, this is the first I have heard of judgment day being an 'excuse' for anything It's pretty difficult impossible I tank to argue with someone using different instructions.If you believe the subject matter it's ok but if you don't then on at basis can we really argue?I believe the bible n God but if you don't you will need to respect my beliefs n try to understand them. About judgement anyone with a responsibility will be judged higher than the rest.Remember there are those who used to sacrifice doves in the old testament whereas priest could only offer bulls.In the new testament remember the parable of the talents?To.who.many has been given much will be expected. About non religious leaders it's also true.Romans 1:18 onwards says that God has revealed all there's to know bout him,therefore as also in Acts the Times of ignorance He overlooked but now commands men to repent.Again in Romans 8 it says that if you lived without the law you will be judged without the law. Lets take our responsibilities spiritual or not seriously. it is amazing how often you Guys quote Paul the Usurper! Whom, has the Apostle Paul usurped? To the best of my understanding, if he wasn't preaching freely, he was incarcerated by Roman solders or Scribes and Pharisees. Look at the Roman Church!

messi_is_a_tim_1888 Joined Fri 11/28/14 Posts: 3309	Wed 02/04/15 10:23 AM
so did jesus know (or think) he was a god? A lot of people are starting to think that Jesus, was a fantasy figure that various secret societies created 2000 years ago and many Christians have been deceived into thinking that there was a man named Jesus, when in fact he never lived at all. Makes you think, eh?

mightymoe Joined Sun 11/19/06 Posts: 37362	Wed 02/04/15 10:28 AM
so did jesus know (or think) he was a god? A lot of people are starting to think that Jesus, was a fantasy figure that various secret societies created 2000 years ago and many Christians have been deceived into thinking that there was a man named Jesus, when in fact he never lived at all. Makes you think, eh? i don't know if a man named jesus ever lived or not, but if he did, i'm pretty sure he wasn't a god...

SheikOfLaBroquerie Joined Thu 01/31/13 Posts: 1973	Wed 02/04/15 10:40 AM
Well Mightymoe, never once in the entire Bible does Jesus say he was God. He did say he was sent by God, but never implied that he was one-in-the-same Entity.