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Happiness2U
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Why would any parent allow their kid to have a weapon like this. Maybe some, like Argo, think it's ok or don't think... 
I don't believe that is what Argo implied. In a country that freely practices the right to bear arms, does it surprise you that some are store carelessly...is it any wonder that a child could come across a weapon and decide it was a cool plaything... Even if a parent allowed this child this gun as a plaything doesn't this also follow as part of the culture... So many reasons as to how or why the child had the gun... |
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You mean that a Cop gives up his Right to Selfdefense the moment he joins the Force? No, an officer does not give up his "Right to Self Defence" however a trained professional such as an officer, should be skilled in diffusing a dangerous situation and be able to enter the area in a cautious and cognitive manner. Even if the dispatch neglected to relay the information that the gun was probably a toy they still knew it was a child...Exercise due caution and preservation. Knee jerk policing is becoming all too common everywhere and it doesn't serve to protect. |
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You mean that a Cop gives up his Right to Selfdefense the moment he joins the Force? No, an officer does not give up his "Right to Self Defence" however a trained professional such as an officer, should be skilled in diffusing a dangerous situation and be able to enter the area in a cautious and cognitive manner. Even if the dispatch neglected to relay the information that the gun was probably a toy they still knew it was a child...Exercise due caution and preservation. Knee jerk policing is becoming all too common everywhere and it doesn't serve to protect. Let me tell you,even a "Probable" Bullet hurts like Heck! The young Man was told to put up his Hands,but instead he pointed the Gun,which to all intents and purposes looks like a real one,at the Officers! So,what would you do about it,get yourself shot,and then maybe some more Bystanders getting hurt! It is ungortunate what happened to him,but it was the only possible outcome once he confronted the Officers with that Weapon,which had the Marker,marking it as an Airsoft-Weapon removed,therefore being indistinguishable from the Real Thing! |
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You mean that a Cop gives up his Right to Selfdefense the moment he joins the Force? No, an officer does not give up his "Right to Self Defence" however a trained professional such as an officer, should be skilled in diffusing a dangerous situation and be able to enter the area in a cautious and cognitive manner. Even if the dispatch neglected to relay the information that the gun was probably a toy they still knew it was a child...Exercise due caution and preservation. Knee jerk policing is becoming all too common everywhere and it doesn't serve to protect. Knee jerk policing? I call it survival mode. When a cop see's a weapon it's shoot first ask questions later. |
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You mean that a Cop gives up his Right to Selfdefense the moment he joins the Force? No, an officer does not give up his "Right to Self Defence" however a trained professional such as an officer, should be skilled in diffusing a dangerous situation and be able to enter the area in a cautious and cognitive manner. Even if the dispatch neglected to relay the information that the gun was probably a toy they still knew it was a child...Exercise due caution and preservation. Knee jerk policing is becoming all too common everywhere and it doesn't serve to protect. Let me tell you,even a "Probable" Bullet hurts like Heck! The young Man was told to put up his Hands,but instead he pointed the Gun,which to all intents and purposes looks like a real one,at the Officers! So,what would you do about it,get yourself shot,and then maybe some more Bystanders getting hurt! It is ungortunate what happened to him,but it was the only possible outcome once he confronted the Officers with that Weapon,which had the Marker,marking it as an Airsoft-Weapon removed,therefore being indistinguishable from the Real Thing! the police force has not said the gun was 'pointed' at the officer, just that the boy reached for it in his waste they have stated NUMEROUS times he made no THREATENING GESTURES (not that that story wont change,, kind of like officer wilsons orbital socket blowout changed to some bruising around his mouth,,,) the cop reacted too quickly, (they do train for quick response and recognition of dangers),, this was a playground, and this was a kid,,,,, |
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You mean that a Cop gives up his Right to Selfdefense the moment he joins the Force? No, an officer does not give up his "Right to Self Defence" however a trained professional such as an officer, should be skilled in diffusing a dangerous situation and be able to enter the area in a cautious and cognitive manner. Even if the dispatch neglected to relay the information that the gun was probably a toy they still knew it was a child...Exercise due caution and preservation. Knee jerk policing is becoming all too common everywhere and it doesn't serve to protect. Let me tell you,even a "Probable" Bullet hurts like Heck! The young Man was told to put up his Hands,but instead he pointed the Gun,which to all intents and purposes looks like a real one,at the Officers! So,what would you do about it,get yourself shot,and then maybe some more Bystanders getting hurt! It is ungortunate what happened to him,but it was the only possible outcome once he confronted the Officers with that Weapon,which had the Marker,marking it as an Airsoft-Weapon removed,therefore being indistinguishable from the Real Thing! the police force has not said the gun was 'pointed' at the officer, just that the boy reached for it in his waste they have stated NUMEROUS times he made no THREATENING GESTURES the cop reacted too quickly, (they do train for quick response and recognition of dangers),, this was a playground, and this was a kid,,,,, |
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You mean that a Cop gives up his Right to Selfdefense the moment he joins the Force? No, an officer does not give up his "Right to Self Defence" however a trained professional such as an officer, should be skilled in diffusing a dangerous situation and be able to enter the area in a cautious and cognitive manner. Even if the dispatch neglected to relay the information that the gun was probably a toy they still knew it was a child...Exercise due caution and preservation. Knee jerk policing is becoming all too common everywhere and it doesn't serve to protect. Knee jerk policing? I call it survival mode. When a cop see's a weapon it's shoot first ask questions later. Survival mode...Do you mean Fight or Flight? Well I would hope that a trained police professional would have skills to cope with this primal response. If not then the training facilities are letting the public (and the police thamselves) down and training to kill as as a first resort. So yes, I call that knee jerk policing. Here's an excerpt for ya... "For someone trained in violence, such as a bouncer, law enforcement officer, or soldier, the danger signs are easily recognizable: a hidden hand, bulging pocket, hunter’s glare, empty-street or new footprints in a jungle trail all have meaning, hence the transition from sign to signifier to response is a smooth one. More importantly are those schooled in violence understand there are proper levels of force for each threat encountered. For instance, police officers draw their weapons only as a last resort, bouncers rarely strike customers unless the situation warrants it, and soldiers avoid firing on unarmed civilians at all costs. However, for the inexperienced person the danger signs often go unrecognized, hence they are surprised by the intensity of a confrontation, or else ambushed by an attacker. Such mental dullness leads to panic, confusion, chaos and sensory overload, along with an inappropriate response that can have fatal consequences for both victim and attacker alike. Case in point whereas the bouncer might simply toss an unruly drunk out of the bar while experiencing the fight response, the inexperienced person would pull their pistol and shoot the drunk because they’re too frightened to consider the use of non-lethal force." From this website... http://ymaa.com/articles/fight-flight-or-freeze-trained-and-untrained-responses?ab=nl&utm_expid=1405513-2.WuymPi-ESZiQA5K9wPC3ZA.1&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.ca%2F Randomly selected, easily found articles... |
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Maybe parents will see the story and learn to teach their kids about gun safety, even the toy guns. 
words that totally fit your avatar... hehehehe.... perfectly perfect. |
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why of course, perfect...
fires in Cleveland too, for a fire doesn't create regeneration unless in consumes all. the re generators have arrived! thank god! it's about time! smiles |
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in this case, if the cops hadn't fired their real guns, nobody would be dead... deadly force should be used as a last resort not the first... btw is that assault rifle the same kind the kid pulled from his waistband, or was it a small hand gun ?? Airsoft-Guns come in all sorts of Getups,as you'd have found out,if you had looked at that Link! BTW,it isn't the Duty of a Cop to get himself shot,if he can prevent it! More so its not the duty of the cop to Shoot if he could prevent it! Im sure they could have scared a 12 year old into handing overnthe gun. Or outsmarted him to get close enough to taser. If not....they shouldn't be cops! |
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i would have time to see there are no chamber holes showing in the cylinder of that revolver and i'd have time to walk up to him and take the toy gun away and then have a good talk with him and his parents at the station house....or i could immediately pop off a couple rounds to his head and say i felt my life was in grave danger so i used deadly force... i thought it was obvious i was talking about the kid in the picture who is holding a revolver....sorry you misunderstood, take a look at that gun again.......as for the real 12 year old in cleveland...i stand by my position that two grown men trained properly and within 10 feet of that kid should have been able to subdue and disarm him without the use of deadly force the only reason there was a fatality is because the officer discharged his real firearm...i don't care how real the gun looked...their job is to be in the line of fire, to serve and protect....just as the fireman puts his life on the line when he enters a burning building, i expect cops to do the same, not go on duty to face all encounters with a primary idea of self-preservation at all costs to those he has sworn to serve and protect... There is a lot of this police self preservation and brutality going on in our country lately. I have been following the cop watch program and things are getting SERIOUSLY out of hand! |
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in this case, if the cops hadn't fired their real guns, nobody would be dead... deadly force should be used as a last resort not the first... btw is that assault rifle the same kind the kid pulled from his waistband, or was it a small hand gun ?? Airsoft-Guns come in all sorts of Getups,as you'd have found out,if you had looked at that Link! BTW,it isn't the Duty of a Cop to get himself shot,if he can prevent it! More so its not the duty of the cop to Shoot if he could prevent it! Im sure they could have scared a 12 year old into handing overnthe gun. Or outsmarted him to get close enough to taser. If not....they shouldn't be cops! and kill the Kid with the Taser? Ever ended up before someone pointing a Firearm at you! Like from ten Feet away,finger on the Trigger? How long does it take you to traverse ten Feet verus the time it takes to pull a Trigger! Besides,to all intents and purposes that Firearm was real! When I was twelve years old,I knew NOT to point a Firearm at anyone,whether real or not! That Kid played Russian Roulette,and lost! |
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The kid was black, enough for white cops to shoot to kill.
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That 12 year had removed the yellow cap on the end of an air soft gun that looked like a nine mm automatic. He probably thought taking the cap off would make him look gangsta' but it made him dead. Actually he was told to put his hands up, instead.. he pulled the gun on them..well it is sad but a 12 yr old should know better..How would they know it wasnt real! An airsoft gun is not a deadly weapon. It is more like a bb gun in shooting power. |
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Why would any parent allow their kid to have a weapon like this. Maybe some, like Argo, think it's ok or don't think...
The Manufacturers specifically warn against taking those Weapons into the general Public or pointing them at anyone! |
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You mean that a Cop gives up his Right to Selfdefense the moment he joins the Force? No, an officer does not give up his "Right to Self Defence" however a trained professional such as an officer, should be skilled in diffusing a dangerous situation and be able to enter the area in a cautious and cognitive manner. Even if the dispatch neglected to relay the information that the gun was probably a toy they still knew it was a child...Exercise due caution and preservation. Knee jerk policing is becoming all too common everywhere and it doesn't serve to protect. Let me tell you,even a "Probable" Bullet hurts like Heck! The young Man was told to put up his Hands,but instead he pointed the Gun,which to all intents and purposes looks like a real one,at the Officers! So,what would you do about it,get yourself shot,and then maybe some more Bystanders getting hurt! It is ungortunate what happened to him,but it was the only possible outcome once he confronted the Officers with that Weapon,which had the Marker,marking it as an Airsoft-Weapon removed,therefore being indistinguishable from the Real Thing! the police force has not said the gun was 'pointed' at the officer, just that the boy reached for it in his waste they have stated NUMEROUS times he made no THREATENING GESTURES the cop reacted too quickly, (they do train for quick response and recognition of dangers),, this was a playground, and this was a kid,,,,, I worked with middle schoolers (11 to 14 year olds) for 12 years. there are some, both boys and girls for whom it means nothing to kill themselves or another. ive seen and dealt with fights where said groups of children caused each other serious damage ending up hospitalized. I've been among those searching for weapons to prevent something worse from happening. I've stood by families who mourned the loss of their child who didn't make it to their quinceneta, sweet 16 or 18th birthday. it is always a tragedy when a child dies. that doesn't make teenagers a less real or less deadly threat. I've often thought that it would be nice if police shoot to maim as opposed to shooting to kill. I also know from minor firearms training how easily a maimed but not disarmed person can fire off a couple of shots. there is no easy answer. blind judgement solves nothing. |
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That 12 year had removed the yellow cap on the end of an air soft gun that looked like a nine mm automatic. He probably thought taking the cap off would make him look gangsta' but it made him dead. Actually he was told to put his hands up, instead.. he pulled the gun on them..well it is sad but a 12 yr old should know better..How would they know it wasnt real! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airsoft_gun On November 22, 2014 in Cleveland, Ohio, a 12-year old boy with an airsoft gun was shot and killed by police. After a 911 caller reported a juvenile male with a "probably fake" gun on a playground, police arrived on the scene, but had not been told by the dispatcher that the gun may have been fake. Police report that they asked the boy to show his hands, but he reached for his waistband instead. The police fatally shot him within 2 seconds of arriving on the scene. Police later said that the orange tip indicating the gun was a toy had been removed.[17][18] Again,Manufacturers specifically recommend for those Guns NOT to be displayed in the general Public! |
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have ya noticed how people gravitate to choosing a side...
towards being able to be induced to find which side be guilty... careening towards the right, or the left... the crooked path of the brain... when the center will always be both are guilty... for what is guilt... since humans are not perfect, it will always only be both parties could have done better... in any group situation all parties could have done better... the one's involved in any situation who are not willing to access so for them self, be the one's in the end who will lose for them self. for their brain will be so profoundly blinded by their own absorption of most guilt, they feel they win for them self just by finding and trumpeting guilt. but the notion of finding and accessing "most guilt", turn all in the world into one gigantic police force, perpetuating and propagating the very first force of force against each other and one self, soon against all in the world who do not remove them self from the force of finding who be MOST GUILTY... and it can't be missed such psychological humans traits used brilliantly to divide and create chaos are very profitable for that which generates power by controlling who prosecutes and protects from the guilty... the gullible are always able to led by the chain through their nose with "who" be of most guilt... the guise of dr. who... the guise of who be on first or who be on second... the guise of what came first, the chicken or the egg... the guise of religion over science and vice versa... the guise of morality over unmorality... the guise of holy or unholy... of pure or impure... of who be good or who be bad. the knowledge one eats of the tree of who be good or evil that mislead the brain in how to win, versus imputing guilt. peace |
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Why would any parent allow their kid to have a weapon like this. Maybe some, like Argo, think it's ok or don't think...
The Manufacturers specifically warn against taking those Weapons into the general Public or pointing them at anyone! only in utopia, would anyone think a 12 year old child would heed all warnings given to them about the dangers of anything....it just does not happen that way in real life, surprise surprise, 12yo kids do not listen to their parents ..these two cops overreacted to the situation by using deadly force at the the slightest provocation (reaching for the bb gun) every bullet fired (or in this case every bb fired) is not necessarily a fatal shot unless you are highly trained in marksmanship, like cops are trained today... pumping two slugs into the chest of a 12yo kid is uncalled for, and these two officers should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law... |
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Edited by
Conrad_73
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Tue 12/02/14 04:06 PM
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Why would any parent allow their kid to have a weapon like this. Maybe some, like Argo, think it's ok or don't think...
The Manufacturers specifically warn against taking those Weapons into the general Public or pointing them at anyone! only in utopia, would anyone think a 12 year old child would heed all warnings given to them about the dangers of anything....it just does not happen that way in real life, surprise surprise, 12yo kids do not listen to their parents ..these two cops overreacted to the situation by using deadly force at the the slightest provocation (reaching for the bb gun) every bullet fired (or in this case every bb fired) is not necessarily a fatal shot unless you are highly trained in marksmanship, like cops are trained today... pumping two slugs into the chest of a 12yo kid is uncalled for, and these two officers should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law... They weren't told by the Dispatcher that the Weapon might be Fake! So,you really think a 12yo can't fire a Gun! Jeepers! 
Funny though how you Guys holler for the Men with the Gun when the Chips are down!
Actually the Kid's Parents need to be taken to task over this! In the past Kids were instructed in the use of Firearms and such occurrances were extremely rare! Then the kneejerking,tearjerking simpering "Liberals" happened! 
Yep,only in Utopia would a Cop go up to anyone armed with a Firearm and try take it away!
BTW,what would YOU prosecute him for? Upholding the Safety of the General Public,perhaps? |
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