Spider wrote:
"correct me if I'm wrong"

I already did.

Abracadabra,

No, you didn't correct me, you were wrong. You are confusing how morals are applied with moral standards. So according to you, you have high moral standards which are exercised subjectively. Someone else could have low moral standards which are exercised subjectively. You believe that lust is only bad, if you act on it. What if someone else believed that lust is only bad if it was for someone of another race? In that case, said person could rape women of his own race indescriminately without feeling he had done anything wrong. I didn't say "If everyone had your moral standards and applied them subjectively", I said "If everyone believed in subjective morality". Completely different concepts.

Moral Standards (morals) are laws of conduct.
Moral standards are applied in subjective, objective or absolute manners.

Whatever.

You live your life however you see fit, and I’ll live mine the way I see fit.

I just think you’re using double standards. On the one hand you scream that to disobey God is a sin, and then you go about disobeying God’s request that you don’t judge others. I was just trying to point out a flaw in your fundamental logic.

I don’t judge young children who lie to be sinners or evil in any way. I see it as a perfectly natural process of human development. I would hesitate, in fact, I would flatly refuse to teach young children that they are sinning.

I would go about helping them to understand why lying isn’t good. However, I think there are other things to consider too.

For example, if you place a young child in a room that has crayons and coloring books, and you tell the child not to touch them. Then you leave the room for a while and return later. You notice that the crayons are scattered all over the table and the coloring books are all scribbled on. You ask the child if they played with the crayons and they say no.

Is that child guilty of committing a sin?

Absolutely NOT!

YOU ARE!

Who were the one who was playing GOD! You were the one who told the child they weren’t allowed to play with the crayons. You’re the JERK not the child.

Was it against God’s wishes that the child should play with crayons? Well, you could arrogantly point the Ten Commandments and say, Children are supposed to obey their mothers and fathers.

At that point I would just hang my head in total disgust and leave the poor child in your abusive care simply because there are no laws to allow that children can be removed from their parents just because the parents are complete idiots.

When you play God you make sinners out of everyone, because YOU become the JUDGE!

But that’s not what God is all about.

Abracadabra,

The position that we are not to judge is an untenable position. Why do we have courts? Are you advocating releasing all prisoners and no longer punishing crime? No, I don't think you are. Krinos (judge) has the context of meaning "to condemn". That is why Matthew 7:2 expands on Matthew 7:1, when Jesus said "For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again." Judging is for God, but there is no sin in applying the law to anothers actions to deterine if they have sinned. Stating that someone has sinned is NOT a condemnation, because only sinners go to heaven.

And if I put my daughter in a room with crayons and paper, gave her instructions to not touch anything and she used them and lied about it, she would be punished. I don't want to raise a child who believes that they can take other's possessions and lie about it. It's your choice on how you raise your own kids, but I wouldn't fault someone who punished a child for disobeying and then lying about it.

Spider wrote:
"The position that we are not to judge is an untenable position. Why do we have courts? Are you advocating releasing all prisoners and no longer punishing crime?"

That has nothing whatsoever to do with judging people's morals. If you think it does you're seriously confused.

Spider wrote:
"And if I put my daughter in a room with crayons and paper, gave her instructions to not touch anything and she used them and lied about it, she would be punished."

Not only do I feel sorry for you Spider, but I feel even more sorry for anyone who encounters you.

There is no need to "punish". Have you ever thought about trying to simply enlighten someone using intelligence?

You're old school approach to life is pathetic. It's the stuff of the dark ages.

Puke!

You seriously make me feel like throwing up.