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Topic: Genetically Modified Organsims: Where do you stand in this t
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Fri 11/14/14 11:34 AM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Fri 11/14/14 11:40 AM

Not all GMOs are bad.


Yes, GM is a wonderful technology!

For any *particular* situation, though, we should ask ourselves?

Who is doing it?
Why are they doing it?
What do they stand to gain?
What do the rest of us stand to gain?


I feel that most (not all) GMO work done by monsanto and companies like them is bad news. We'd be better off as a species not doing it at all.

Yet most (not all) GMO research done using government grants at university is either neutral or positive.



what we need to do is dissolve that incestuous Relationship that exists between the State and certain Corporations!
Without that,Monsanto and others couldn't practice the sort of "Business" they are doing now!
They would be virtually powerless without the State having their backs!
THey would have to stand and fall by their own Judgment,without Politicians being able to repair their Misdeeds at the cost of the general public!
If you want to stop it,stop that Corporatism! (Cronyism).


Ludwig von Mises Institute
Marxists are also correct in noticing the close association between the state and business, especially the banking elite--even though their explanation for it is faulty. The reason is not that the bourgeois establishment sees and supports the state as the guarantor of private property rights and contractualism. On the contrary, the establishment correctly perceives the state as the very antithesis to private property that it is. The more successful a business, the larger the potential danger of governmental exploitation, but the larger also the potential gains that can be achieved if it can come under government's special protection and is exempt from the full weight of capitalist competition. This is why the business establishment is interested in the State and its infiltration.

--Hans-Hermann Hoppe. Marxist and Austrian Class Analysis

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Fri 11/14/14 02:29 PM



what we need to do is dissolve that incestuous Relationship that exists between the State and certain Corporations!
Without that,Monsanto and others couldn't practice the sort of "Business" they are doing now!
They would be virtually powerless without the State having their backs!
THey would have to stand and fall by their own Judgment,without Politicians being able to repair their Misdeeds at the cost of the general public!
If you want to stop it,stop that Corporatism! (Cronyism).



Yes. The relationship between businesses like monsanto and government is destructive, and this would be a huge step forward.

And as much as it troubles me to see people lie about the dangers of gmo, I'm pleased to see those same grassroots organizations wield political power and oust monsanto from their regional politics.

Getting people fired up about 'the evils of GMO' *works*, politically, to achieve some of the same ends that I'd like to see realized.

metalwing's photo
Sun 11/16/14 09:10 AM
GM will not go away. Nor should it. It should be controlled closely by whoever can do so in a fair and unbiased way. Big corps like Monsanto who can spend billions to corrupt the system to allow them to make even bigger billions is not the way to go.

A watchdoq non-profit organization is "Council for Responsible Genetics".

Principles and projects

CRG "fosters public debate about the social, ethical and environmental implications of genetic technologies." They list three central principles:[1]

The public must have access to clear and understandable information on technological innovations.
The public must be able to participate in public and private decision making concerning technological developments and their implementation.
New technologies must meet social needs. Problems rooted in poverty, racism, and other forms of inequality, according to CRG, cannot be remedied by technology alone.

On a lighter note ...

Some of newer successes are glow in the dark Yorkshire pigs so you can tell your pig implant from the human copy.

Healthy meal salmon who grow twice as fast and get twice as big!

Glow in the dark marmosets (a monkey like mammal)who may help cure Parkinson's Disease.

Florescent Glofish! with bright colors! (banned in California) Actually, a version of this Zebrafish was designed to glow when encountering polluted water.

There is work being done on a GM virus that can kill cancer cells only and additional work to modify the Human immune system to cure cancer altogether.

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Sun 11/16/14 09:13 AM
whatever makes food a bit safer and can feed more people,,,,

doesn't bother me

Conrad_73's photo
Sun 11/16/14 09:27 AM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Sun 11/16/14 09:29 AM




what we need to do is dissolve that incestuous Relationship that exists between the State and certain Corporations!
Without that,Monsanto and others couldn't practice the sort of "Business" they are doing now!
They would be virtually powerless without the State having their backs!
THey would have to stand and fall by their own Judgment,without Politicians being able to repair their Misdeeds at the cost of the general public!
If you want to stop it,stop that Corporatism! (Cronyism).



Yes. The relationship between businesses like monsanto and government is destructive, and this would be a huge step forward.

And as much as it troubles me to see people lie about the dangers of gmo, I'm pleased to see those same grassroots organizations wield political power and oust monsanto from their regional politics.

Getting people fired up about 'the evils of GMO' *works*, politically, to achieve some of the same ends that I'd like to see realized.

Monsanto in its present form will never go away as long as the Politicians uphold its Monopoly!
Divorce the Feckers!
The Big Stick Monsanto wields is Political Power!
Without that,they are a NOBODY,and will have to rely on their own Devices,instead of Politicians covering their Hip,and that goes for all those other Corporations that feed off the Public Trough!
The Swine in DC,and the Swine in those Boardrooms get along well!

You won't get anywhere with "Regulations",since they write those "Regulations"!laugh

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Tue 11/25/14 11:19 AM
Florescent Glofish! with bright colors! (banned in California) Actually, a version of this Zebrafish was designed to glow when encountering polluted water.


I have to wonder if they were 'banned in CA' because of the big GMO scare that grips many in CA.

Personally, I think that glow in the dark fish that can detect pollution could actually help make the world a better place. Its a cool idea.

Of course, we have to ask ourselves what hidden effects their could be. Maybe there are ways this could be ecologically disruptive which we can't yet imagine. But still, a cool idea.

metalwing's photo
Thu 11/27/14 07:40 PM

Florescent Glofish! with bright colors! (banned in California) Actually, a version of this Zebrafish was designed to glow when encountering polluted water.


I have to wonder if they were 'banned in CA' because of the big GMO scare that grips many in CA.

Personally, I think that glow in the dark fish that can detect pollution could actually help make the world a better place. Its a cool idea.

Of course, we have to ask ourselves what hidden effects their could be. Maybe there are ways this could be ecologically disruptive which we can't yet imagine. But still, a cool idea.


From the LA times.

"State Takes Dim View of GloFish, Bans Sale


By Kenneth R. Weiss
Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
December 4, 2003


California's Fish and Game Commission on Wednesday refused to allow the sale of the genetically altered GloFish in the state, with one commissioner saying that it seemed frivolous to tinker with an animal's genes to create a pet that glows red.

The 3-1 vote to reject a petition by biotech entrepreneurs makes California the only state that has banned the sale of GloFish, a trademarked tropical zebra fish infused with the red fluorescent gene of a sea anemone.

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration, which has jurisdiction over bioengineered animals, has not indicated whether it will step in and regulate the pet fish, which are due to go on sale next month.

"We're going forward with sales elsewhere on Jan. 5," said Alan York, executive officer of Yorktown Technologies of Austin, Texas. "It's unfortunate that consumers in California will be the only ones in the country that will not be able to enjoy these fish."

To approve the sales in California, the commissioners would have had to make an exception to rules adopted earlier this year that restrict transgenic fish to scientific researchers who obtain permits and prove that their gene-alerted fish cannot escape into the wild or pose a danger to the environment.

The commissioners seemed less concerned about any environmental risk than the ethical concerns of altering the genes for the pleasure of pet owners. "

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Sun 11/30/14 05:54 AM
Thanks for the information!


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Mon 12/01/14 06:59 AM
Mary MacArthur
The Western Producer, Nov. 28th, 2014
http://www.producer.com/2014/11/roundup-ready-in-alfalfa-exports-catastrophic/

* China market closed
* U.S. exporters blacklisted because of GM presence in the crop

The discovery of Roundup Ready alfalfa in global hay exports should be on Canadian farmers’ radar, says a Canadian hay exporter.

Ed Shaw, who exports forage around the world, including to China, said three American hay exporters have been blacklisted from exporting hay to China, and hundreds of container loads of hay have been turned away after Roundup Ready alfalfa was found in the loads.

“In the export market, it has become a really hot topic item with the Chinese market. The Chinese have zero tolerance for GMO,” Shaw said during a discussion about the introduction of Roundup Ready alfalfa in Canada at a recent forage conference. “It’s catastrophic.”

Forage Genetics International, which has the right to sell Roundup Ready alfalfa in Canada, seeded 11 test plots in Quebec and Ontario this year and is looking to expand its test locations and studies next year.

Roundup Ready alfalfa is registered and allowed to be grown in the United States, but Shaw said U.S. exporters have been blacklisted because of the genetically modified crop.

“They have had three strikes against them and the U.S. is considering totally shutting down the Chinese market until we get something established,” he said.

“China has zero tolerance and I mean zero tolerance, not several parts per million but zero tolerance.”

Shaw is worried that Canadian hay exporters will be shut out of the market if GM canola seed is found in hay crops.

“I am afraid that if we start testing our alfalfa for zero tolerance, I bet we would fail,” he said.

“Now the USDA (U.S. Department of Agriculture) and the Chinese are trying to work on a tolerance level. If you have canola field next to an alfalfa field and get some trash, it’s going to check positive on the forage.”

Forage Seed Canada president Heather Kerschbaumer said a container load of her farm’s timothy hay was rejected because of the discovery of one canola seed in a 25 gram sample destined for Japan three years ago.

“(It) was enough to cause the company we had the contract with to cancel our contract,” she said.

“We lost $20,000 because of one canola seed.”

It’s a troubling trend for Canadian grass and forage seed growers, who export thousands of tonnes of seed around the world. The discovery of a Roundup Ready alfalfa seed in an alfalfa, timothy, red clover, brome or fescue shipment would put an end to all export markets.

Kerschbaumer said her Golden Acre Seed Co. had nine non-Roundup Ready alfalfa samples tested last year for the presence of Roundup Ready alfalfa, and all tested negative.

“We find alfalfa in 60 to 70 percent of the lots shipped out of the Peace. If it is genetically modified, we would lose all those markets as well.”

Kerschbaumer said she recently visited the Imperial Valley in California, where counties have outlawed the growing of Roundup Ready alfalfa because of their large vegetable production. Alfalfa is used in the rotation with vegetable crops.

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