There is no doubt that the Holocost happened, but......

Even using the highest estimate of civilian deaths during Saddam Husheins rule, the civilian casualties of the current war surpassed that about a year ago!

When you say Husshein was involved with the Nazi's you are actually talking about his Uncle I think!

Fanta46,

Civilian body count, performed by a liberal organization: 81,394
http://www.iraqbodycount.org/

Saddam's Body count: Approx. 2,000,000
http://www.moreorless.au.com/killers/hussein.html

2,000,000 > 81,394

Most of the civilians have been killed by insurgents, but you blame the US for them too, right?

Saddam Hussein published Nazi propoganda, which had been created by his uncle.

I'll get the Gov fiqures on that later spider!!!

An Opinion Research Business (ORB) survey conducted August 12-19, 2007 estimated 1,220,580 violent deaths due to the Iraq War (range of 733,158 to 1,446,063). Out of a national sample of 1,499 Iraqi adults, 22% had one or more members of their household killed due to the Iraq War (poll accuracy +/-2.4%).

ORB reported that 48% died from a gunshot wound, 20% from car bombs, 9% from aerial bombardment, 6% as a result of an accident and 6% from another blast/ordnance. It is the highest estimate given so far of civilian deaths in Iraq and is consistent with the Lancet study.



The 2006 Lancet survey of casualties of the Iraq War estimated 654,965 Iraqi deaths (range of 392,979-942,636) from March 2003 to the end of June 2006.

A copy of a death certificate was available for a high proportion of the reported deaths (92 per cent of those households asked to produce one). The causes of violent deaths were gunshot (56%), car bomb (13%), other explosion/ordnance (14%), air strike (13%), accident (2%), unknown (2%).

The Lancet estimates are the only so far to have been published in a peer-reviewed publication.

Before you go trying to discount this with other fiqures, note the Lancelot report provide verifiable information through death certificates.

Then read below!!!

Published: 10/4/07, 5:06 PM EDT
By ANNE FLAHERTY
WASHINGTON (AP) - A State Department official said Thursday corruption in Iraq was serious, but he refused to say whether Iraq's prime minister was involved or capable of addressing the problem.

Larry Butler, deputy assistant secretary of state for Near East Affairs, told a House committee that divulging such information could damage U.S. relations - an assertion that enraged congressional Democrats.

Rep. Henry Waxman, chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, said Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice should know she is on a collision course with Congress over the public disclosure of corruption in Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki's government.

If you believe half of what the Bush Administration reports as the Truth, you are believing way too much!!

Ask a Vietnam Vet if you can rely on military death counts!!

Okay, so what if I take your body counts? You are still 50%+ below Saddam Hussein's body count, so your statement of "Even using the highest estimate of civilian deaths during Saddam Husheins rule, the civilian casualties of the current war surpassed that about a year ago! " is still completely false.

http://www.iraqbodycount.org/analysis/beyond/reality-checks/

Reality checks: some responses to the latest Lancet estimates
Hamit Dardagan, John Sloboda, and Josh Dougherty

Summary
A new study has been released by the Lancet medical journal estimating over 650,000 excess deaths in Iraq. The Iraqi mortality estimates published in the Lancet in October 2006 imply, among other things, that:

On average, a thousand Iraqis have been violently killed every single day in the first half of 2006, with less than a tenth of them being noticed by any public surveillance mechanisms;
Some 800,000 or more Iraqis suffered blast wounds and other serious conflict-related injuries in the past two years, but less than a tenth of them received any kind of hospital treatment;
Over 7% of the entire adult male population of Iraq has already been killed in violence, with no less than 10% in the worst affected areas covering most of central Iraq;
Half a million death certificates were received by families which were never officially recorded as having been issued;
The Coalition has killed far more Iraqis in the last year than in earlier years containing the initial massive "Shock and Awe" invasion and the major assaults on Falluja.
If these assertions are true, they further imply:

incompetence and/or fraud on a truly massive scale by Iraqi officials in hospitals and ministries, on a local, regional and national level, perfectly coordinated from the moment the occupation began
bizarre and self-destructive behaviour on the part of all but a small minority of 800,000 injured, mostly non-combatant, Iraqis;
the utter failure of local or external agencies to notice and respond to a decimation of the adult male population in key urban areas;
an abject failure of the media, Iraqi as well as international, to observe that Coalition-caused events of the scale they reported during the three-week invasion in 2003 have been occurring every month for over a year.
In the light of such extreme and improbable implications, a rational alternative conclusion to be considered is that the authors have drawn conclusions from unrepresentative data. In addition, totals of the magnitude generated by this study are unnecessary to brand the invasion and occupation of Iraq a human and strategic tragedy.
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Sorry man, but your numbers reek of agenda and look to be bold faced lies. You should check out those groups throughly before you quote their numbers more.