Topic: did everyone finally give up trying to defend OBAMA?
19robert54's photo
Sat 10/18/14 11:05 AM
It was invented in Israel when they passed law they could legally kill without trail

msharmony's photo
Sat 10/18/14 11:19 AM
Edited by msharmony on Sat 10/18/14 11:21 AM

I'm saying Obama has killed 4 USA citizens without trai pure simple fact Google give u plenty info on it



our military , under any sitting POTUS, kills alot of people without trial, thats what the military does

the fact that americans are sometimes amongst caught in the crossfire is always tragic,, but trial doesnt figure into it since they are not INTENTIONALLY TARGETED to be killed

I know of ONE intentional targeting of a New Mexican born cleric who had aided in the assault at Forth Hood, which I imagine distinguished that particular 'american' as a combatant ,,,,,,

Unfortunately, at the end of the day, OBama has responsibility just as any former president holds responsibly towards the hundreds of thousands of children that are killed during combat operations


,,,I dont view it the same as I would consider someone going out and intentionally killing children,, or americans though,,,so I fail to be as appalled beyond the general sadness of people dying,, for whatever reason,,

19robert54's photo
Sat 10/18/14 11:30 AM
Huh??? These were 4 USA citizens in pinpoint drone attacked personally ordered by Obama yes Obama has also droned plenty of innocent people too but these 4 were USA citizens. One a 16 year old Denver boy. Obama targeted them killed them with out trail. Someone is way behind the times on this one

19robert54's photo
Sat 10/18/14 11:34 AM
Edited by 19robert54 on Sat 10/18/14 11:53 AM
Obama drones have also blown up 7 weddings and a funeral very easy to find that info too

19robert54's photo
Sat 10/18/14 11:51 AM
100,000 children?? Bill Clinton n Madeline Albright tops that one 500,000 children when they asked Albright about it she said it was hard decision but worth it!!!!!!

19robert54's photo
Sat 10/18/14 12:07 PM


When u kill 4 Usa citizens with drones you better have something signed saying you could do that or that would be murder


I dont know the accuracy of your claim or your point,,,,if you are claiming we have 'targeted' americans, ,,,,or if you are speaking about americans dying when we 'targeted' other known 'terrorists' (another idea and villain that this administration didnt invent or introduce)


how long has it been legal to give death penalty to traitors? certainly isnt a policy thats begun only under this administration,, ya think?
yes Ur Mr Obama is first president to sign bill its legal to kill people with out trial. :)

Conrad_73's photo
Sat 10/18/14 12:10 PM

It was invented in Israel when they passed law they could legally kill without trail

Me thinks you ought to study History a little bit!laugh

19robert54's photo
Sat 10/18/14 12:22 PM


It was invented in Israel when they passed law they could legally kill without trail

Me thinks you ought to study History a little bit!laugh
me thinks it was upheld in supreme court because Israel has very similar law preventing the families from lawsuit against Obama

19robert54's photo
Sat 10/18/14 12:24 PM
Its Talmudic law if u like to go way back in history

19robert54's photo
Sat 10/18/14 12:38 PM


It was invented in Israel when they passed law they could legally kill without trail

Me thinks you ought to study History a little bit!laugh
if you have other information I would appreciate it I have no problem being corrected much better then trying to tell me what to do.

msharmony's photo
Sat 10/18/14 12:50 PM
Edited by msharmony on Sat 10/18/14 12:53 PM



When u kill 4 Usa citizens with drones you better have something signed saying you could do that or that would be murder


I dont know the accuracy of your claim or your point,,,,if you are claiming we have 'targeted' americans, ,,,,or if you are speaking about americans dying when we 'targeted' other known 'terrorists' (another idea and villain that this administration didnt invent or introduce)


how long has it been legal to give death penalty to traitors? certainly isnt a policy thats begun only under this administration,, ya think?
yes Ur Mr Obama is first president to sign bill its legal to kill people with out trial. :)


actually he isnt the first to sign the bill, its predecessor was just named differently , look up AUMF

these policies were born from gov and presidential reaction to 9/11, far before this administration,,,

signed reluctantly(with a signing statement) under this administration to keep the defense budget flowing for the military

19robert54's photo
Sat 10/18/14 01:01 PM
Wasn't the AUMF referring just to Iraq I don't believe it included American citizens being killed without trail

msharmony's photo
Sat 10/18/14 01:12 PM

Wasn't the AUMF referring just to Iraq I don't believe it included American citizens being killed without trail


it didnt specify nationality, it did refer to the 9/11 attacks, but granted the same AUTHORITY,, the 'terrorists' had a different name, but the authority in force against terrorists was the same


That the President is authorized to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons, in order to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States by such nations, organizations or persons.


in this case, it was in response to those who helped in the killing of 13 people at fort hood,, instead of those involved with 9/11

19robert54's photo
Sat 10/18/14 01:16 PM
Sorry the AUMF only referred to those that. Had anything to do with 9-11 ndaa is much broader including American citizens

msharmony's photo
Sat 10/18/14 01:22 PM

Sorry the AUMF only referred to those that. Had anything to do with 9-11 ndaa is much broader including American citizens


show where it excludes american citizens please

19robert54's photo
Sat 10/18/14 01:52 PM


Sorry the AUMF only referred to those that. Had anything to do with 9-11 ndaa is much broader including American citizens


show where it excludes american citizens please
it didn't include American we were protected by the constitution the ndaa does include Americans we are no longer protected by the constitution

msharmony's photo
Sat 10/18/14 01:58 PM



Sorry the AUMF only referred to those that. Had anything to do with 9-11 ndaa is much broader including American citizens


show where it excludes american citizens please
it didn't include American we were protected by the constitution the ndaa does include Americans we are no longer protected by the constitution



it didnt EXCLUDE americans, so it didnt protect americans, so americans could be INCLUDED in the designation of 'ANY PERSONS'

not any 'foreign nationals'

but

'any persons'

msharmony's photo
Sat 10/18/14 02:02 PM
First, under section 1021(d), the bill does not “limit or expand the authority of the President or the scope of the Authorization for Use of Military Force.” Second, under section 1021(e), the bill may not be construed to affect any “existing law or authorities relating to the detention of United States citizens, lawful resident aliens of the United States, or any other persons who are captured or arrested in the United States.”



My Administration strongly supported the inclusion of these limitations in order to make clear beyond doubt that the legislation does nothing more than confirm authorities that the Federal courts have recognized as lawful under the 2001 AUMF...OBama signing statement

19robert54's photo
Sat 10/18/14 02:13 PM
Okay I'll concede for sake of arguing I'll restated it Obama first president to legal kill citizens without trail

19robert54's photo
Sat 10/18/14 02:29 PM
so does the constitution apply for all American or does not apply if government deems you a threat!?? Kinda scary if u ask me. Obama was judge jury gave death penalty to 4 Usa citizens