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Topic: Brown's Autopsy Shows Witness Statements Are Not Accurate
msharmony's photo
Mon 08/25/14 03:40 PM
so, in your mind

punching or shoving someone to GET AWAY or create an EXIT plan

is the same as CHARGING AT BULLETS,,,,,to do what exactly?

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Mon 08/25/14 03:51 PM
Well since we are picking and choosing what we want to believe. Should we consider this?

Wilson then noticed the pair were carrying cigars, and had heard the report of the robbery and recognized the pair as possible suspects.
“And he’s looking at them and they got something in their hands and it looks like it could be what, you know, those cigars or whatever. So he goes in reverse back to them,” Josie said.
Wilson, she said, “tries to get out of his car. They slam his door shut violently. I think he said Michael did. And then he opened the car again. He tried to get out. He stands up.
“And then Michael just bum-rushes him and shoves him back into his car. Punches him in the face and then Darren grabs for his gun. Michael grabbed for the gun. At one point he got the gun entirely turned against his hip. And he shoves it away. And the gun goes off,” Josie said.
“Well, then Michael takes off and gets to be about 35 feet away. And Darren’s first protocol is to pursue. So he stands up and yells, ‘Freeze!’ Michael and his friend turn around. And Michael taunts him … And then all the sudden he just started bum-rushing him. He just started coming at him full speed,” she told the station.

“So [Wilson] really thinks [Brown] was on something, because he just kept coming. It was unbelievable. And so he finally ended up, the final shot was in the forehead, and then he fell about two to three feet in front of the officer,” she said.

This was from someone who claimed to have talked to Wilson.

no photo
Mon 08/25/14 04:03 PM

so, in your mind

punching or shoving someone to GET AWAY or create an EXIT plan

is the same as CHARGING AT BULLETS,,,,,to do what exactly?


No no no, nice straw man attempt, but no.


You've made a very large number of comments suggesting that its extremely unlikely that he charged the cop, and usually your argument boils down to the idea that basically you don't think it makes sense for him to do so.

I'm saying that's a non-argument. He punched the cop in the face. Enough said. His behavior is already completely unlike that of a person who is thinking rational and who who wants to live.

I don't know that he rushed the cop, but its just not at all surprising if he did, given what we already know.

msharmony's photo
Mon 08/25/14 04:03 PM
Edited by msharmony on Mon 08/25/14 04:08 PM
yes, we are hearing a lot of what others said others said

and one can consider the parts that seem possible AND probable

is it possible or likely that these two men fought the officer,,,possible

is it possible, that in the small confines of a front seat, that such a HUGE person (his size is the reason he didn't need a weapon to be deadly ,,right?) could be beating him 'nearly unconscious' with room for another person to try to get his firearm, anything is possible, but the confines make it seem highly unlikely

is it possible that marijuana (all that was in his system) would cause in him a sudden impulse to CHARGE at someone that was aiming and/or shooting a gun at him? again, highly unlikely

is it possible that someone so HUGE , rushing at someone full on, would have no shot to the 'largest part of his mass',, his abdomen/chest

again , ANYTHING Is possible, but highly unlikely


but people are welcome to 'consider' whatever they wish,,,,

msharmony's photo
Mon 08/25/14 04:08 PM


so, in your mind

punching or shoving someone to GET AWAY or create an EXIT plan

is the same as CHARGING AT BULLETS,,,,,to do what exactly?


No no no, nice straw man attempt, but no.


You've made a very large number of comments suggesting that its extremely unlikely that he charged the cop, and usually your argument boils down to the idea that basically you don't think it makes sense for him to do so.

I'm saying that's a non-argument. He punched the cop in the face. Enough said. His behavior is already completely unlike that of a person who is thinking rational and who who wants to live.

I don't know that he rushed the cop, but its just not at all surprising if he did, given what we already know.




no, whats not rational is that this AGGRESSIVE and unreasonable person, would be at such an advantage that he is so HUGE as to be deadly just with his size, that he beats someone 'nearly unconcsious' but is not able to get their gun, instead opting to LEAVE The gun with the person he just beat

the level of insanity involved in rushing at a drawn gun from THIRTY FEET Away is nowhere close to the poor judgment of resisting arrest or fighting another person

his behavior is in line with someone who doesn't want to be CAUGHT in a crime,,, either by a clerk trying to lock him in, or a cop trying to get him into a car

its in line with escaping consequences, not inviting more,,,,

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Tue 08/26/14 07:15 PM
Edited by Peccy on Tue 08/26/14 07:13 PM



so, in your mind

punching or shoving someone to GET AWAY or create an EXIT plan

is the same as CHARGING AT BULLETS,,,,,to do what exactly?


No no no, nice straw man attempt, but no.


You've made a very large number of comments suggesting that its extremely unlikely that he charged the cop, and usually your argument boils down to the idea that basically you don't think it makes sense for him to do so.

I'm saying that's a non-argument. He punched the cop in the face. Enough said. His behavior is already completely unlike that of a person who is thinking rational and who who wants to live.

I don't know that he rushed the cop, but its just not at all surprising if he did, given what we already know.



no, whats not rational is that this AGGRESSIVE and unreasonable person, would be at such an advantage that he is so HUGE as to be deadly just with his size, that he beats someone 'nearly unconcsious' but is not able to get their gun, instead opting to LEAVE The gun with the person he just beat

the level of insanity involved in rushing at a drawn gun from THIRTY FEET Away is nowhere close to the poor judgment of resisting arrest or fighting another person

his behavior is in line with someone who doesn't want to be CAUGHT in a crime,,, either by a clerk trying to lock him in, or a cop trying to get him into a car

its in line with escaping consequences, not inviting more,,,,



Evidently, you've never seen a person charge a cop. You're trying to couple his personality with some sort of rational thinking that you would do. Well if you confront a cop by pushing him, you can be pretty sure rational has gone by the wayside.

But what does it matter? People have already convicted the cop regardless of what the truth is. If the cop was at fault, then he deserves to go down. If not, it won't matter because it's a white cop and what the media has already tried to portray as an innocent black teen. Apparently it has worked.

What people need to do is look at it for what it was.....a cop and an adult. 18 is still an adult right? Not saying who was right. but leave color out of it.

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Tue 08/26/14 07:52 PM

I don't know, adrenaline kicks in ,, and people lie ,,right?

one never knows for sure,, what did he 'lie' about,, the initial confrontation?

or at least he changed his story,, no telling which one was the lie,, police can persuade people with records ya know,,,:wink:


Yup, the police created a time machine and went back in time and created a case where Johnson committed a theft and lied to police on multiple occasions and then had a judge sign a warrant for his arrest then got back in their time machine and traveled back to the present day.

whoa

Still doesn't explain why Johnson keeps changing his story and is now admitting they attacked the Officer.

metalwing's photo
Tue 08/26/14 08:06 PM
I think Holder is there to railroad a case against Wilson.

Lpdon's photo
Tue 08/26/14 08:08 PM



so, in your mind

punching or shoving someone to GET AWAY or create an EXIT plan

is the same as CHARGING AT BULLETS,,,,,to do what exactly?


No no no, nice straw man attempt, but no.


You've made a very large number of comments suggesting that its extremely unlikely that he charged the cop, and usually your argument boils down to the idea that basically you don't think it makes sense for him to do so.

I'm saying that's a non-argument. He punched the cop in the face. Enough said. His behavior is already completely unlike that of a person who is thinking rational and who who wants to live.

I don't know that he rushed the cop, but its just not at all surprising if he did, given what we already know.




no, whats not rational is that this AGGRESSIVE and unreasonable person, would be at such an advantage that he is so HUGE as to be deadly just with his size, that he beats someone 'nearly unconcsious' but is not able to get their gun, instead opting to LEAVE The gun with the person he just beat

the level of insanity involved in rushing at a drawn gun from THIRTY FEET Away is nowhere close to the poor judgment of resisting arrest or fighting another person

his behavior is in line with someone who doesn't want to be CAUGHT in a crime,,, either by a clerk trying to lock him in, or a cop trying to get him into a car

its in line with escaping consequences, not inviting more,,,,


He didn't rush at the gun from 30 feet away, the autopsy shows that he was about a foot away from the gun. They also have determined that there is Gun Shot Residue on Brown. You have to be close to the gun for that.

But keep spewing your blind faith to the THUG.

To bad they couldn't bury him with his hands handcuffed together, that would be so awesome!

msharmony's photo
Tue 08/26/14 10:46 PM


I don't know, adrenaline kicks in ,, and people lie ,,right?

one never knows for sure,, what did he 'lie' about,, the initial confrontation?

or at least he changed his story,, no telling which one was the lie,, police can persuade people with records ya know,,,:wink:


Yup, the police created a time machine and went back in time and created a case where Johnson committed a theft and lied to police on multiple occasions and then had a judge sign a warrant for his arrest then got back in their time machine and traveled back to the present day.

whoa

Still doesn't explain why Johnson keeps changing his story and is now admitting they attacked the Officer.


what does that have to do with the question or my answer..lol

a time machine? wth....?



when I ask about why someone would charge TOWARDS bullets, I was told how people can be unreasonable and have their adrenaline rushing

I simply gave the same explanation of why someone facing arrest might lie,,,

no time machine needed to understand that,,,,,

msharmony's photo
Tue 08/26/14 10:50 PM




so, in your mind

punching or shoving someone to GET AWAY or create an EXIT plan

is the same as CHARGING AT BULLETS,,,,,to do what exactly?


No no no, nice straw man attempt, but no.


You've made a very large number of comments suggesting that its extremely unlikely that he charged the cop, and usually your argument boils down to the idea that basically you don't think it makes sense for him to do so.

I'm saying that's a non-argument. He punched the cop in the face. Enough said. His behavior is already completely unlike that of a person who is thinking rational and who who wants to live.

I don't know that he rushed the cop, but its just not at all surprising if he did, given what we already know.



no, whats not rational is that this AGGRESSIVE and unreasonable person, would be at such an advantage that he is so HUGE as to be deadly just with his size, that he beats someone 'nearly unconcsious' but is not able to get their gun, instead opting to LEAVE The gun with the person he just beat

the level of insanity involved in rushing at a drawn gun from THIRTY FEET Away is nowhere close to the poor judgment of resisting arrest or fighting another person

his behavior is in line with someone who doesn't want to be CAUGHT in a crime,,, either by a clerk trying to lock him in, or a cop trying to get him into a car

its in line with escaping consequences, not inviting more,,,,



Evidently, you've never seen a person charge a cop. You're trying to couple his personality with some sort of rational thinking that you would do. Well if you confront a cop by pushing him, you can be pretty sure rational has gone by the wayside.

But what does it matter? People have already convicted the cop regardless of what the truth is. If the cop was at fault, then he deserves to go down. If not, it won't matter because it's a white cop and what the media has already tried to portray as an innocent black teen. Apparently it has worked.

What people need to do is look at it for what it was.....a cop and an adult. 18 is still an adult right? Not saying who was right. but leave color out of it.



well it depends , in Missouri

you are 'adult' enough to move out at 17
but you are not 'adult' enough to enter a conract til 18
and not 'adult' enough to drink until 21


so I think its safest to just stick to biological age and refer to 17 and 18 as TEEN and 21 as young adult,,,,

msharmony's photo
Tue 08/26/14 10:55 PM
Edited by msharmony on Tue 08/26/14 10:58 PM




so, in your mind

punching or shoving someone to GET AWAY or create an EXIT plan

is the same as CHARGING AT BULLETS,,,,,to do what exactly?


No no no, nice straw man attempt, but no.


You've made a very large number of comments suggesting that its extremely unlikely that he charged the cop, and usually your argument boils down to the idea that basically you don't think it makes sense for him to do so.

I'm saying that's a non-argument. He punched the cop in the face. Enough said. His behavior is already completely unlike that of a person who is thinking rational and who who wants to live.

I don't know that he rushed the cop, but its just not at all surprising if he did, given what we already know.




no, whats not rational is that this AGGRESSIVE and unreasonable person, would be at such an advantage that he is so HUGE as to be deadly just with his size, that he beats someone 'nearly unconcsious' but is not able to get their gun, instead opting to LEAVE The gun with the person he just beat

the level of insanity involved in rushing at a drawn gun from THIRTY FEET Away is nowhere close to the poor judgment of resisting arrest or fighting another person

his behavior is in line with someone who doesn't want to be CAUGHT in a crime,,, either by a clerk trying to lock him in, or a cop trying to get him into a car

its in line with escaping consequences, not inviting more,,,,


He didn't rush at the gun from 30 feet away, the autopsy shows that he was about a foot away from the gun. They also have determined that there is Gun Shot Residue on Brown. You have to be close to the gun for that.

But keep spewing your blind faith to the THUG.

To bad they couldn't bury him with his hands handcuffed together, that would be so awesome!



Im not practicing blind faith , officer,,lol

please explain why his body would be so far from the car if he was SHOT while only one foot away? unless the 'fearful' officer was chasing him as he ran,, but wait, no bullets to the back,,,interesting dilemma,,

and

when and where , exactly did someone determine there was residue on his clothes, and based upon who are you claiming the autopsy showed he was a foot from the gun

cause the DR I listened to who performed the autopsy said it was AT LEAST A foot away,,,

nice practice for a position of authority though, make it up to justify the ends,,,,

no photo
Wed 08/27/14 02:13 PM

so I think its safest to just stick to biological age and refer to 17 and 18 as TEEN and 21 as young adult,,,,


You can throw this in my face later when I prove to be a hypocrite on this sub-issue, but the only truly honest way to handle this is to specify his age exactly.

"Adult" includes 30 year olds.
"Teen" includes 13 year olds (which numerically is not that different but physiologically, emotionally, etc it is massively different)

Both terms are biasing and potentially misleading.


msharmony's photo
Wed 08/27/14 02:15 PM
Edited by msharmony on Wed 08/27/14 02:19 PM


so I think its safest to just stick to biological age and refer to 17 and 18 as TEEN and 21 as young adult,,,,


You can throw this in my face later when I prove to be a hypocrite on this sub-issue, but the only truly honest way to handle this is to specify his age exactly.

"Adult" includes 30 year olds.
"Teen" includes 13 year olds (which numerically is not that different but physiologically, emotionally, etc it is massively different)

Both terms are biasing and potentially misleading.





specific age works, but

teen does specify an age range,, just as adult does

it works just as well

when I think of teen, I know it is between 13 and 19, it is a subgroup of the population that narrows down things

not as narrow as the subgroup that is '18 year old', but I still don't get why that matters if both descriptions are accurate

teen is seven years out of a lifetime,,, it is decidedly different than 'child' or 'adult'

in general conversation anyhow

because everyone is someones 'child' but my mother doesn't have a single 'child' who is still, in terms of AGE a 'child'

beachdog50's photo
Wed 08/27/14 07:21 PM



well it depends , in Missouri

you are 'adult' enough to move out at 17
but you are not 'adult' enough to enter a conract til 18
and not 'adult' enough to drink until 21


so I think its safest to just stick to biological age and refer to 17 and 18 as TEEN and 21 as young adult,,,,
Here in washington at 17 you go to juvinile detention, at 18 you go to prison! The difference is at 18 you are considered an adult.

msharmony's photo
Wed 08/27/14 11:05 PM




well it depends , in Missouri

you are 'adult' enough to move out at 17
but you are not 'adult' enough to enter a conract til 18
and not 'adult' enough to drink until 21


so I think its safest to just stick to biological age and refer to 17 and 18 as TEEN and 21 as young adult,,,,
Here in washington at 17 you go to juvinile detention, at 18 you go to prison! The difference is at 18 you are considered an adult.


that's true, you are held personally responsible for things in this country while you are still a teen,,,,



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