What's wrong with #3? I like #3. Everyone should like #3. Why must you judge #3 so harshly?



I'm going to bed. To dream of #3.

Hey, you are supposed to dream of me.

Judgement, or discernment is something we all need.
Knowing the situation and being aware of your surroundings determine the course you take.
Judgement in an emergency or crisis situation is essential. You do what you judge best in a split second.

Being judged or judging others occurs in all of us. It is shaped on how our life experiences have influenced us. Someone who had a relatively happy experience growing up will tend to see the better parts in others. The flip side is true for those who went through he'll in their formative years.
But that it exists, that we all pass judgment is a reality.

. True. Why didn't I realize that? . I think I'm not with it, due to being unwell. So I end up confusing people.

Anyway, I prefer hearing others opinions, as it'd get boring listening to my own all of the time.

or,, trying to get feedback on what people think is the difference between 'judgement' and 'opinion'

now THAT is perceptive,,,it seems as if calling someone judgemental can sometimes be a form of being judgemental,,,

a firm belief of mine too,,,,judging behavior or words is seperate from judging individuals

its how we guide our own behavior and words, by using our judgment about such things,,

1) Of, relating to, or dependent on judgment
2) Inclined to make judgments, especially moral or personal ones
3) Having or displaying an excessively critical point of view
4) Characterized by a tendency to judge harshly



This is a very interesting lead in... are you saying that its normal and acceptable for people to judge people that claim no affiliation with spirituality or religion?

But people who profess to be Christians and don't behave like Christians are not supposed to be judged for their conduct because only they and God truly know their hearts and why they do what they do even if what some Christians do in the eyes of others looks exactly like sin?



I think in the context of 'who are we to judge' refers to something like... unless you've walked a mile in the other's shoes how can you really know what they've been through and why they are who they are, do what they do, feel how they feel, say what they say... so any judgment we pass upon others, especially those we don't know personally or intimately can be prone to mistaken perceptions we are feeling and equating to our own experiences and how we think, feel, act, speak, or would react to any given circumstance.



I agree. Sometimes we can pass judgment that appears or feels more like condemnation rather than a neutral opinion...



Judgment

1) The ability to make considered decisions or come to sensible conclusions

YES.

seems People are somehow mistaking Judgment with Condemnation!



The precept: Judge not, that ye be not judged . . . is an abdication of moral responsibility: it is a moral blank check one gives to others in exchange for a moral blank check one expects for oneself.

There is no escape from the fact that men have to make choices; so long as men have to make choices, there is no escape from moral values; so long as moral values are at stake, no moral neutrality is possible. To abstain from condemning a torturer, is to become an accessory to the torture and murder of his victims.

The moral principle to adopt in this issue, is: Judge, and be prepared to be judged.

The opposite of moral neutrality is not a blind, arbitrary, self-righteous condemnation of any idea, action or person that does not fit ones mood, one's memorized slogans or one's snap judgment of the moment. Indiscriminate tolerance and indiscriminate condemnation are not two opposites: they are two variants of the same evasion. To declare that everybody is white or everybody is black or everybody is neither white nor black, but gray, is not a moral judgment, but an escape from the responsibility of moral judgment.

To judge means: to evaluate a given concrete by reference to an abstract principle or standard. It is not an easy task; it is not a task that can be performed automatically by one's feelings, instincts or hunches. It is a task that requires the most precise, the most exacting, the most ruthlessly objective and rational process of thought. It is fairly easy to grasp abstract moral principles; it can be very difficult to apply them to a given situation, particularly when it involves the moral character of another person. When one pronounces moral judgment, whether in praise or in blame, one must be prepared to answer Why? and to prove one's case to oneself and to any rational inquirer.

The Virtue of Selfishness

How Does One Lead a Rational Life in an Irrational Society
http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/moral_judgment.html

There's only one person referring to opinions being expressed like an a$$hole as appearing or feeling more like condemnation...



Judge not, that you be not judged is a moral instruction to take the boulder out of your own eye before you try to take the pebble out of another's... because with whatever measuring stick or principles you use to point out others faults they will use the same measuring stick or principles against you too.

It in no way is a biblical blank check to do whatever you choose if what you do is impinging on another's right to do as they choose too.



Whose to say the morals and values of one are more precious or viable than another's? It's when individual beliefs are used in an a$$holish way that they become questionable and are apt to be challenged.



As always, any topic is open to be individually interpreted and opined as such. How one sees an issue discussed may be different then how another sees and or expresses it.



This is indeed a mouthful... and for the life of me I can't relate.



Tolerance and condemnation are personal choices we make relative to our reaction to life experiences, and I don't see them as evasive tactics at all.



And here I never thought to judge: means that it takes so much forethought and ruthlessness to decide exactly how many lumps of sugar I prefer in my coffee...



I agree. I don't like to be kept in the dark either. And if anyone passes judgment on me, especially if it is negatively, then I too expect a reason why with enough proof that even additional rational inquirers would be convinced of the legitimacy of evidence.

If there is NO proof of the accusations or reasoning for ill judgment than I look to the motives of the one doing the judging.

opinion and judgement aren't exactly the same thing to me. An opinion is on whether you like the person or not. A judgement is the reasons why, you "judge" the person to be such and such. You're opinion is just how you feel, and you "feel" that person to be such and such. It puts it at a much lower level just feeling that way. Feelings change over time through different elements.

But when someone "judges" someone to be such and such, they are basically saying they ARE. Not that they just feel that way, but that they are such a person for fact.

someone asked

This is a very interesting lead in... are you saying that its normal and acceptable for people to judge people that claim no affiliation with spirituality or religion?

the answer is no. I am not sure what is normal for non christians as I am not one. I was only pointing out the obligation for christians to not judge a persons relationship with God, any person, whether that person is religious or not.

in other words, I cant say because I am Christian , I have beter standing with God than anyone else. I dont know Gods plan for anyone else nor the relationship he may hold with them, I only see very small bits and pieces of others choices, I cant see into their soul. Only God can do that.

It seems to me that the only people around here being judged are those who express belief in a theistic faith.

Okay. I think I'm beginning to see there are various points you are making about your topic on judgment.

One is about Christians and how they judge other Christians in relation to their personal relationship with God. And the other is simply about humans using judgment to form opinions that aid them in making decisions and choices... which is reflected in your original question.

"Do you believe 'judgement' is a natural unavoidable part of being a human being with a brain?"

I was thrown off a little because of the distinction you are placing on christians opinions...and I think what you're saying is...

Christians can form opinions about others based on their words and actions but can't judge whether others actually have a meaningful relationship with God based on the fruit that they bear.

And I agree.

As I said, this is a very interesting topic... thank you msharmony for this thought provoking thread.

Being judgmental (adjective) means placing value on something...The value can be good, bad, or somewhere in the middle...Nothing wrong with it at all...Necessary part of being responsible for yourself IMO....

Around here, Party "A" will play the "judgmental" card when Party "B" expresses an opinion that contradicts what Party "A" wants.

Is party C the one who judges this?.....

Nah. Party "C" just wants to party.

and Athena,, ty for participating

I didn't mean to be divisive about Christians and non Christians

there is just a SPECIFIC law pertaining to judgment that Christians are to abide by,, in regards to others(both Christian and non)