Topic: more confusing than appealing, yet truth in its deep end
freepiety's photo
Thu 06/05/14 08:46 AM
IS IT WRONG FOR CHRISTIAN YOUTH TO ENGAGEIN KISSING IN RELATIONSHIP?Before we answer this question we have to define ‘‘kiss’’Now according to CAMBRIDGE ADVANCE LEARNERS DICTIONARY to kiss means to touch with your lips, especially as a greeting, or to press your mouth onto another person's mouth in a sexual way.Now our argument is on ‘mouth to mouth kiss’ by unmarried partners. Everyone has his or her opinion on kiss. And many people have food of thoughts and excuses to defend what they do and why they do it. But we must understand as Born Again Believers that we are New Creatures (2 Corinth. 5:17). That means we are have a standard to check everything we do as believers, which is God’s Word. The Bible is never silent on any detail of life; don’t be deceived, it gives an answer to every issue of life. But it is hidden, it is a hidden treasure that must be found (Matt13:44). If you haven’t found an answer from the Word regarding your challenge, don’t say the bible is silent on it. Christianity is a spiritual journey, we can only see answers when we walk in the light of the Spirit and weigh everything on the scale of the Spirit-God’s Word (Rom. 8:14) I don’t think the Bible will encourage us to follow God’s Word fully nor will it endorse God’s Word as ‘…profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.’ NKJV 2 Tim. 3:16-17 if the word never had all answers to our issues of life. Then Prov 3:5-6 Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways acknowledge him, and he will make your paths straight. NIV would be untrue. GOD’S WORD HAS ALL ANSWERS TO OUR PROBLEMS.Back to kissing, I am of the view that kissing (mouth to mouth kiss) amongst unmarried partners is ENTIRELY WRONG. (1Thess 4:3 For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication: KJV, It is God's will that you should be sanctified: that you should avoid sexual immorality; NIV) What is fornication? It is simply sexual sin or sexual immorality (Morally wrong or evil).And Jesus in his most incredible sermons in Matt 5:27 gave a good lesson to believers on Sexual sin, which are 1. Fornication- all sexually related promiscuity and sin both by married or unmarried partners 2. Adultery-sexually related sin by individual married people.Matt. 5:27 "You have heard that it was said to those of old, 'You shall not commit adultery.' But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to LUST FOR HER has ALREADY committed adultery with her in his heart. NKJV. In this scripture we realise that Jesus gave a higher standard of purity. He instituted a purity that went beyond physical and outward purity to inward purity (such as the circumcision of the heart). It becomes a bit difficult to address this issue if we look solely at sex as just the ‘penetration’. Sex is the consummation of love by married people; it is a whole process of expressing deep intimacy by the use of the body. This entails kissing, smooching, touching, caressing and more. If we calm that sex is just the ‘penetration’ hence, approve kissing then we should as well approve caressing and the rest.But not so, because all these acts will be immoral and sinful if practiced by unmarried partners. Jesus clearly states that the very act of sex starts in the mind. Before any act of immorality there is lust which takes place in the heart, mind, and conscience. Jesus said that the desire to engage in sex with a person other than your spouse is mental adultery/fornication and thus immoral and sinful. He emphasized that if the act is wrong, then so is the intention. To be faithful with your partner with your body but not your mind is to break the trust so vital to a strong marriage. Jesus is condemning not natural interest in the opposite sex nor even healthy sexual desire but the deliberate and repeated filling of one’s mind with fantasies that will be evil if acted out. Sexual immorality is a whole evil institution on its own with several subsets such as have been mentioned earlier including kissing. And the Bible frowns on it in 1 Thess. 4:3.There are arguments that the lust for sex comes in the act of kissing and thus kissing is permissible so long as it doesn’t lead to sex. But we must be careful my brethren, because we are living in a generation where people will only follow opinions and ideas that will buttress their weakness, excuse their wrong doings and satisfy their itching ears (2 Tim 4:3-4 For the time is coming when [people] will not tolerate (endure) sound and wholesome instruction, but, having ears itching [for something pleasing and gratifying], they will gather to themselves one teacher after another to a considerable number, chosen to satisfy their own liking and to foster the errors they hold, And will turn aside from hearing the truth and wander off into myths and man-made fictions. AMP). The standard for us as believers is the Word of God and nothing else.Before every act of sin is lust (James 1:14-15 But every person is tempted when he is drawn away, enticed and baited by his own evil desire (lust, passions). Then the evil desire, when it has conceived, gives birth to sin, and sin, when it is fully matured, brings forth death. AMP.) And this goes on in the mind. Jesus moved the focus from the action to the intention, motive, and thought. WE DON’T KISS BEFORE WE LUST BUT WE LUST BEFORE WE KISS. If your partner is the one demanding for a kiss then he/she is already defeated in the battle over lust going on in her mind, and that calls for carefulness for you the victim. Let no one deceive you that you can kiss and not lust, of course you can kiss and not have sex, but you cannot kiss and not lust nor remain pure as a Christian, which is still sexually immoral.However, I understand the struggles of our youths, there are a few Christian youths who are in relationships and yet are struggling with lust. They do not want to lust but they find themselves occasionally doing so. (Gal 5:16-18 I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusts against the Spirit and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. NKJV). The Scripture above explains the struggle in our mind to please God and overcome lust. If there is a contention to please God and not to please God, we then ask the question, how do I overcome this battle and please God? It is simple-Walk in the Spirit. The mind is like a window. When we look through the window we see a lot of stuffs but our attention is focused on what we set and stay our eyes onto. When we expose our windows to light our room is full of light but when we expose our window to darkness our room is full of darkness. God’s word is the light, in the course of decision making alongside the constant battle in our mind we need to make room for light. The devil is ready to place suggestionsbefore us to twist the will and word of God as he did to Eve, (Gen 3:1"Has God indeed said, 'You shall not eat of every tree of the garden'?" NKJV). We are now to choose what to focus on and pay attention to. It is either the tricks of the Devil or the sure word of God. Thus, if we want to make room for God’s word, we need to go as David did. (Ps 119:11Your word I have hidden in my heart, that I might not sin against You. NKJV). Read, Study, meditate, practice, and teach God’s Word. In doing so, you give the word of God priority in your heart and gradually sin and evil leaves your mind. Amen.I will end by saying that God expects purity from us and purity goes beyond sex. It encompasses complete wholesomeness and uprightness before God. And we can’t do so when we don’t stay away from evil. (1 Thess 5:22 Abstain from evil [shrink from it and keep aloof from it] in whatever form or whatever kind it may be. AMP, evil. 1 Peter 2:11-12 Beloved, I implore you as aliens and strangers and exiles [in this world] to abstain from the sensual urges (the evil desires, the passions of the flesh, your lower nature) that wage war against the soul. Conduct yourselves properly (honorably, righteously) among the Gentiles, so that, although they may slander you as evildoers, [yet] they may by witnessing your good deeds [come to] glorify God in the day of inspection [when God shall look upon you wanderers as a pastor or shepherd looks over his flock]. AMP)I SAY IT ONCE MORE, KISSING BY PARTNERS OUTSIDE MARRIAGE IS IMMORALITY AND ALL IMMORALITY IS SIN.3(O.Charles)

CowboyGH's photo
Thu 06/05/14 05:09 PM

IS IT WRONG FOR CHRISTIAN YOUTH TO ENGAGEIN KISSING IN RELATIONSHIP


I think you're stretching it a bit there. A kiss could never be "sinful", passionate french kiss or just a peck. It would revolve around people's intentions of the kiss that would make it sinful or not, not the kiss in itself. Kissing is a very close passionate thing to share with someone. It doesn't "lead" to anything sexual, except for maybe how the person in question takes it. Kissing would be about as sexual as holding hands. Yes kissing and especially passionately is done during sex, but that doesn't mean all kissing passionate, with tongue, or any other way is automatically "sexual" or "sinful". All depends on the person and the intent. That's like saying hugging is sinful, it leads to actions in the bed, it's done in the bedroom, ect.

So is that what you're saying? Hugging is sinful as well?

CowboyGH's photo
Thu 06/05/14 05:16 PM


IS IT WRONG FOR CHRISTIAN YOUTH TO ENGAGEIN KISSING IN RELATIONSHIP


I think you're stretching it a bit there. A kiss could never be "sinful", passionate french kiss or just a peck. It would revolve around people's intentions of the kiss that would make it sinful or not, not the kiss in itself. Kissing is a very close passionate thing to share with someone. It doesn't "lead" to anything sexual, except for maybe how the person in question takes it. Kissing would be about as sexual as holding hands. Yes kissing and especially passionately is done during sex, but that doesn't mean all kissing passionate, with tongue, or any other way is automatically "sexual" or "sinful". All depends on the person and the intent. That's like saying hugging is sinful, it leads to actions in the bed, it's done in the bedroom, ect.

So is that what you're saying? Hugging is sinful as well?



Let no one deceive you that you can kiss and not lust,


So are you saying that every time you kiss a woman, you lust after them? Why not just take in the emotional feelings that flow through the veins during the kiss? Why take it in such a sexual way? Why can't it just be "passionate" and emotional?