Topic: Who really get's the info NSA gathers on Americans?
Sojourning_Soul's photo
Tue 05/06/14 08:30 AM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Tue 05/06/14 08:33 AM

The US National Security Agency (NSA) directly sends all of the intelligence that it gathers to the Israeli regime, a political analyst tells Press TV.

"��We now know that all of the NSA's spying is going directly to Israel," James H. Fetzer, a professor at the University of Minnesota Duluth, said in a Saturday interview.

"��I believe that all of our allies should discontinue sharing their intelligence with the Unites States unless they are willing that it should go directly to Tel Aviv," the analyst said.

"It would be advisable for the Unites Nations to undertake an exploration of this because it appears to be a violation of national sovereignty for one nation to be spying on the communications of its highest executive officials," Fetzer added.

He said even if the UN passed a resolution against spying, there would be no guarantee that the two countries would stop their illegal acts of espionage.

http://presstv.com/detail/2014/05/04/361217/all-nsa-intel-goes-directly-to-israel/

Typical..... tell the fox who gave us Agenda 21 and wants our guns and rights to guard the hen house slaphead

If our Congress really was representing us, we wouldn't even be in the UN!

vanaheim's photo
Tue 05/06/14 09:21 AM
Now if you tried thinking before being a political reactionary you'd notice it's a blatant embellishment.

Have you bothered researching at all what the NSA actually does?
Domestic CommInt for national security (policing) is a primary role, that means its listening stations filter telecommunications within the US for key phrases like "kill the president" or "suicide".

Do you seriously think the NSA phones up Tel Aviv every time a Boston schoolboy talks about suicide on the 'net with his mates? Or when some thug in St Loius says he wants to kill the president on his mobile?
WTF would Tel Aviv want to know about these things for?

"directly sends all of the intelligence that it gathers to the Israeli regime"? Bullcrap. It's such an obvious embellishment it's infantile and utterly ridiculous. The vast bulk of Intel the NSA gathers actually goes directly to local law enforcement and emergency services, since they're in a position to identify criminal or dangerous activities long before anyone else even knows it's happening. I have actual case examples of this, published and corroberated by LEO spokespeople in media.

Have you bothered researching what Intelligence gathering protocols are in place in the developed world?
Information sharing internationally is not only part of the Intelligence Community environment, it's necessary to maintain any kind of Intelligence community particularly on foreign soil. Otherwise US consulates would simply be banned from all other countries. The way it actually works is local security services are fully aware of the Intelligence gathering/reporting role of foreign consulates, the idea is friendly nations share information and unfriendly ones share disinformation. That's how you keep disagreements from becoming wars, whilst keeping at least some attempt at a level playing field.
Swedish indigenous fighter jets for example (the Gripen, Draken, all of them), use remanufactured and reproduced US engines and radar sets, but Swedish birds are the ones that take best spy photos and aerial intercepts of Russian technology. Information sharing, you give and you get, see how that works?

Now what exactly do you think is going on in the Middle East with half the US military over there all the time?
What, did you think Egypt, Syria or Russia was going to give accurate Intel on what's going on in relation to US interests?
You have to give to get, you have to share with somebody or nobody will tell you anything but lies, and Israel is the only friendly there..


So you not only have no idea what you're talking about, clearly, but you also have no idea what Intelligence gathering even is.
Be a conspiracy theorist sure, but that's insane so this is what it buys you: you're insane feller.

isaac_dede's photo
Tue 05/06/14 09:28 AM

Now if you tried thinking before being a political reactionary you'd notice it's a blatant embellishment.

Have you bothered researching at all what the NSA actually does?
Domestic CommInt for national security (policing) is a primary role, that means its listening stations filter telecommunications within the US for key phrases like "kill the president" or "suicide".

Do you seriously think the NSA phones up Tel Aviv every time a Boston schoolboy talks about suicide on the 'net with his mates? Or when some thug in St Loius says he wants to kill the president on his mobile?
WTF would Tel Aviv want to know about these things for?

"directly sends all of the intelligence that it gathers to the Israeli regime"? Bullcrap. It's such an obvious embellishment it's infantile and utterly ridiculous. The vast bulk of Intel the NSA gathers actually goes directly to local law enforcement and emergency services, since they're in a position to identify criminal or dangerous activities long before anyone else even knows it's happening. I have actual case examples of this, published and corroberated by LEO spokespeople in media.

Have you bothered researching what Intelligence gathering protocols are in place in the developed world?
Information sharing internationally is not only part of the Intelligence Community environment, it's necessary to maintain any kind of Intelligence community particularly on foreign soil. Otherwise US consulates would simply be banned from all other countries. The way it actually works is local security services are fully aware of the Intelligence gathering/reporting role of foreign consulates, the idea is friendly nations share information and unfriendly ones share disinformation. That's how you keep disagreements from becoming wars, whilst keeping at least some attempt at a level playing field.
Swedish indigenous fighter jets for example (the Gripen, Draken, all of them), use remanufactured and reproduced US engines and radar sets, but Swedish birds are the ones that take best spy photos and aerial intercepts of Russian technology. Information sharing, you give and you get, see how that works?

Now what exactly do you think is going on in the Middle East with half the US military over there all the time?
What, did you think Egypt, Syria or Russia was going to give accurate Intel on what's going on in relation to US interests?
You have to give to get, you have to share with somebody or nobody will tell you anything but lies, and Israel is the only friendly there..


So you not only have no idea what you're talking about, clearly, but you also have no idea what Intelligence gathering even is.
Be a conspiracy theorist sure, but that's insane so this is what it buys you: you're insane feller.

Thank you.

The amount of information we have flowing in today's society currently we don't even possess the technology to share "all" of our data, we would be talking about petabytes or larger of information and that is daily, it would take YEARS to send all of our raw un-filtered data anywhere.

I'm all for questioning the government, and for a smaller one, but information gathering has been taking place(and will continue to take place) for literally thousands of years, the means of collection may have changed but the methodologies and practices have virtually stayed the same.

Conrad_73's photo
Tue 05/06/14 09:32 AM
Jamie Fetzer,Agent Provocateur!laugh
Now if it came from someone else I might give it a second thought!bigsmile

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Tue 05/06/14 09:52 AM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Tue 05/06/14 09:54 AM

Misinformation is the forte' of this admin...among other things... but all of that or the above statements aside, what part of the 4th amendment is it that you are OK with surrendering to government in the name of a little false security?

Seems none of it has accomplished anything but the persecution of simple taxpayers and wrongful solicitations to law enforcement agencies with the warning to "back engineer" the info to avoid the source.


isaac_dede's photo
Tue 05/06/14 10:17 AM
mis-information is to the tool of every administration, it is the tool of corporations, it is a tool for the Military as well.

In a fair and respectful world, I would agree with you. However, our world is neither fair or respectful.

If you are getting a divorce and you know your soon to be ex-wife hired a private eye, to comb through every detail of your life looking for something to use against you in court,

Will you just let say "I know she is watching me" but I'm not going to bother watching her, even if it is only to find out what she has on me.

You wouldn't do that if you wanted to win in court, you may in-turn hire your own private eye at least to find out what information she has and how she plans on using it.

This is the basis for our intelligence gathering, other countries watch us, as we watch them, it wouldn't be wise to not to do so.

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Tue 05/06/14 10:40 AM

mis-information is to the tool of every administration, it is the tool of corporations, it is a tool for the Military as well.

In a fair and respectful world, I would agree with you. However, our world is neither fair or respectful.

If you are getting a divorce and you know your soon to be ex-wife hired a private eye, to comb through every detail of your life looking for something to use against you in court,

Will you just let say "I know she is watching me" but I'm not going to bother watching her, even if it is only to find out what she has on me.

You wouldn't do that if you wanted to win in court, you may in-turn hire your own private eye at least to find out what information she has and how she plans on using it.

This is the basis for our intelligence gathering, other countries watch us, as we watch them, it wouldn't be wise to not to do so.


Sounds like you feel you would have something to hide. Personally, why would you waste your time or money in such a battle with someone that simply wishes to part your company? An argument over "stuff"? So you spend all your money to save your "stuff" and lose it all to the lawyers in expenses in the end anyway....or in debt as a result?

Spying on another country or it's minions I can understand, but spying on Americans? And if, as you say, it's to prevent acts of potential harm to the president or others..... is that not the job we pay the police or secret service for? Or are you saying that every American is a potential terrorist with such thoughts in mind so we ALL have to sacrifice our constitutional rights for the common good?

I think a certain man in Germany as well as a few other country leaders had those same opinions and applied them. How did that work out again?

You're WRONG! Your opinion is not only flawed but has PROVENLY led to the destruction and genocide of mass populations of people and their liberty time and again!

But yet you preach this failed policy as acceptable..... interesting

isaac_dede's photo
Tue 05/06/14 10:59 AM


mis-information is to the tool of every administration, it is the tool of corporations, it is a tool for the Military as well.

In a fair and respectful world, I would agree with you. However, our world is neither fair or respectful.

If you are getting a divorce and you know your soon to be ex-wife hired a private eye, to comb through every detail of your life looking for something to use against you in court,

Will you just let say "I know she is watching me" but I'm not going to bother watching her, even if it is only to find out what she has on me.

You wouldn't do that if you wanted to win in court, you may in-turn hire your own private eye at least to find out what information she has and how she plans on using it.

This is the basis for our intelligence gathering, other countries watch us, as we watch them, it wouldn't be wise to not to do so.


Sounds like you feel you would have something to hide. Personally, why would you waste your time or money in such a battle with someone that simply wishes to part your company? An argument over "stuff"? So you spend all your money to save your "stuff" and lose it all to the lawyers in expenses in the end anyway....or in debt as a result?

Spying on another country or it's minions I can understand, but spying on Americans? And if, as you say, it's to prevent acts of potential harm to the president or others..... is that not the job we pay the police or secret service for? Or are you saying that every American is a potential terrorist with such thoughts in mind so we ALL have to sacrifice our constitutional rights for the common good?

I think a certain man in Germany as well as a few other country leaders had those same opinions and applied them. How did that work out again?

You're WRONG! Your opinion is not only flawed but has PROVENLY led to the destruction and genocide of mass populations of people and their liberty time and again!

But yet you preach this failed policy as acceptable..... interesting


Contrary to popular belief the government isn't given free-reign to spy on Americans, and I never said they should be allowed to. In fact there are many rules in-place to prevent even the accidental spying on Americans by American forces.

And as with most things the truth is more complicated than the news and others make it out to be,

So here is a scenario, say the government intercepts a call from a known terrorist, they have listened to him call his buddies, but then he dials an American number....should the government immediately stop listening because the person on the other line might be a legal citizen? should they only listen to one-side of the call?


Sojourning_Soul's photo
Tue 05/06/14 11:01 AM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Tue 05/06/14 11:31 AM



mis-information is to the tool of every administration, it is the tool of corporations, it is a tool for the Military as well.

In a fair and respectful world, I would agree with you. However, our world is neither fair or respectful.

If you are getting a divorce and you know your soon to be ex-wife hired a private eye, to comb through every detail of your life looking for something to use against you in court,

Will you just let say "I know she is watching me" but I'm not going to bother watching her, even if it is only to find out what she has on me.

You wouldn't do that if you wanted to win in court, you may in-turn hire your own private eye at least to find out what information she has and how she plans on using it.

This is the basis for our intelligence gathering, other countries watch us, as we watch them, it wouldn't be wise to not to do so.


Sounds like you feel you would have something to hide. Personally, why would you waste your time or money in such a battle with someone that simply wishes to part your company? An argument over "stuff"? So you spend all your money to save your "stuff" and lose it all to the lawyers in expenses in the end anyway....or in debt as a result?

Spying on another country or it's minions I can understand, but spying on Americans? And if, as you say, it's to prevent acts of potential harm to the president or others..... is that not the job we pay the police or secret service for? Or are you saying that every American is a potential terrorist with such thoughts in mind so we ALL have to sacrifice our constitutional rights for the common good?

I think a certain man in Germany as well as a few other country leaders had those same opinions and applied them. How did that work out again?

You're WRONG! Your opinion is not only flawed but has PROVENLY led to the destruction and genocide of mass populations of people and their liberty time and again!

But yet you preach this failed policy as acceptable..... interesting


Contrary to popular belief the government isn't given free-reign to spy on Americans, and I never said they should be allowed to. In fact there are many rules in-place to prevent even the accidental spying on Americans by American forces.

And as with most things the truth is more complicated than the news and others make it out to be,

So here is a scenario, say the government intercepts a call from a known terrorist, they have listened to him call his buddies, but then he dials an American number....should the government immediately stop listening because the person on the other line might be a legal citizen? should they only listen to one-side of the call?




What part of "chain of evidence" is it you don't quite understand?

You bomb a whole mosque or village because of one person you suspect?

yer right tho....it must be OK. Ollie North got away with the My Lai massacre

The Mỹ Lai Massacre (Vietnamese: thảm sát Mỹ Lai [tʰɐ̃ːm ʂɐ̌ːt mǐˀ lɐːj], [mǐˀlɐːj] ( listen); /ˌmiːˈlaɪ/, /ˌmiːˈleɪ/, or /ˌmaɪˈlaɪ/)[1] was the Vietnam War mass murder of between 347 and 504 unarmed civilians in South Vietnam on March 16, 1968. It was committed by the U.S. Army soldiers from the Company C of the 1st Battalion, 20th Infantry Regiment, 11th Brigade of the 23rd (Americal) Infantry Division. Victims included men, women, children, and infants. Some of the women were gang-raped and their bodies mutilated.[2][3] Twenty six soldiers were charged with criminal offenses, but only Lieutenant William Calley Jr., a platoon leader in C Company, was convicted. Found guilty of killing 22 villagers, he was originally given a life sentence, but served only three and a half years under house arrest.

The massacre, which was later called "the most shocking episode of the Vietnam War",[4] took place in two hamlets of Son My village in Sơn Tịnh District of Quảng Ngãi Province on the South Central Coast of the South China Sea, 100 miles south of Da Nang and several miles north of Quảng Ngãi city east of Highway 1.[5] These hamlets were marked on the U.S. Army topographic maps as My Lai and My Khe.[6] The U.S. military codeword for the alleged Viet Cong stronghold in that area was Pinkville,[7] and the carnage became known as the Pinkville Massacre first.[8][9] Next, when the U.S. Army started its investigation, the media changed it to the Massacre at Songmy.[10] Currently, the event is referred to as the My Lai Massacre in America and called the Son My Massacre in Vietnam.

The incident prompted global outrage when it became public knowledge in November 1969. The My Lai massacre increased to some extent[11] domestic opposition to the U.S. involvement in the Vietnam War when the scope of killing and cover-up attempts were exposed. Initially, three U.S. servicemen who had tried to halt the massacre and rescue the hiding civilians were shunned, and even denounced as traitors by several U.S. Congressmen, including Mendel Rivers, Chairman of the House Armed Services Committee. Only thirty years later they were recognized and decorated, one posthumously, by the U.S. Army for shielding noncombatants from harm in a war zone.[12]

Now he's decorated a war hero and has his own talk show...... funny how that works

Of course the traitor John McShame is called a war hero too instead of "The Hanoi Songbird" and is sitting as a senior US senator instead of in a cell in Leavenworth..... next to Bradley Manning who only "exposed" such acts and NEVER participated.....

It would seem exposing the govt wrong doing is a far more severe crime than the act exposed.... but it's "we the people" who must be spied on

isaac_dede's photo
Tue 05/06/14 11:36 AM




mis-information is to the tool of every administration, it is the tool of corporations, it is a tool for the Military as well.

In a fair and respectful world, I would agree with you. However, our world is neither fair or respectful.

If you are getting a divorce and you know your soon to be ex-wife hired a private eye, to comb through every detail of your life looking for something to use against you in court,

Will you just let say "I know she is watching me" but I'm not going to bother watching her, even if it is only to find out what she has on me.

You wouldn't do that if you wanted to win in court, you may in-turn hire your own private eye at least to find out what information she has and how she plans on using it.

This is the basis for our intelligence gathering, other countries watch us, as we watch them, it wouldn't be wise to not to do so.


Sounds like you feel you would have something to hide. Personally, why would you waste your time or money in such a battle with someone that simply wishes to part your company? An argument over "stuff"? So you spend all your money to save your "stuff" and lose it all to the lawyers in expenses in the end anyway....or in debt as a result?

Spying on another country or it's minions I can understand, but spying on Americans? And if, as you say, it's to prevent acts of potential harm to the president or others..... is that not the job we pay the police or secret service for? Or are you saying that every American is a potential terrorist with such thoughts in mind so we ALL have to sacrifice our constitutional rights for the common good?

I think a certain man in Germany as well as a few other country leaders had those same opinions and applied them. How did that work out again?

You're WRONG! Your opinion is not only flawed but has PROVENLY led to the destruction and genocide of mass populations of people and their liberty time and again!

But yet you preach this failed policy as acceptable..... interesting


Contrary to popular belief the government isn't given free-reign to spy on Americans, and I never said they should be allowed to. In fact there are many rules in-place to prevent even the accidental spying on Americans by American forces.

And as with most things the truth is more complicated than the news and others make it out to be,

So here is a scenario, say the government intercepts a call from a known terrorist, they have listened to him call his buddies, but then he dials an American number....should the government immediately stop listening because the person on the other line might be a legal citizen? should they only listen to one-side of the call?




What part of "chain of evidence" is it you don't quite understand?

You bomb a whole mosque or village because of one person you suspect?

yer right tho....it must be OK. Ollie North got away with the My Lai massacre

The Mỹ Lai Massacre (Vietnamese: thảm sát Mỹ Lai [tʰɐ̃ːm ʂɐ̌ːt mǐˀ lɐːj], [mǐˀlɐːj] ( listen); /ˌmiːˈlaɪ/, /ˌmiːˈleɪ/, or /ˌmaɪˈlaɪ/)[1] was the Vietnam War mass murder of between 347 and 504 unarmed civilians in South Vietnam on March 16, 1968. It was committed by the U.S. Army soldiers from the Company C of the 1st Battalion, 20th Infantry Regiment, 11th Brigade of the 23rd (Americal) Infantry Division. Victims included men, women, children, and infants. Some of the women were gang-raped and their bodies mutilated.[2][3] Twenty six soldiers were charged with criminal offenses, but only Lieutenant William Calley Jr., a platoon leader in C Company, was convicted. Found guilty of killing 22 villagers, he was originally given a life sentence, but served only three and a half years under house arrest.

The massacre, which was later called "the most shocking episode of the Vietnam War",[4] took place in two hamlets of Son My village in Sơn Tịnh District of Quảng Ngãi Province on the South Central Coast of the South China Sea, 100 miles south of Da Nang and several miles north of Quảng Ngãi city east of Highway 1.[5] These hamlets were marked on the U.S. Army topographic maps as My Lai and My Khe.[6] The U.S. military codeword for the alleged Viet Cong stronghold in that area was Pinkville,[7] and the carnage became known as the Pinkville Massacre first.[8][9] Next, when the U.S. Army started its investigation, the media changed it to the Massacre at Songmy.[10] Currently, the event is referred to as the My Lai Massacre in America and called the Son My Massacre in Vietnam.

The incident prompted global outrage when it became public knowledge in November 1969. The My Lai massacre increased to some extent[11] domestic opposition to the U.S. involvement in the Vietnam War when the scope of killing and cover-up attempts were exposed. Initially, three U.S. servicemen who had tried to halt the massacre and rescue the hiding civilians were shunned, and even denounced as traitors by several U.S. Congressmen, including Mendel Rivers, Chairman of the House Armed Services Committee. Only thirty years later they were recognized and decorated, one posthumously, by the U.S. Army for shielding noncombatants from harm in a war zone.[12]

Now he's decorated a war hero and has his own talk show...... funny how that works

Of course the traitor John McShame is called a war hero too instead of "The Hanoi Songbird" and is sitting as a senior US senator instead of in a cell in Leavenworth..... next to Bradley Manning.....

I understand a whole lot about chain of evidence, and also a whole lot about information gathering(it was my job)

I don't need to rely on articles written by people who aren't in the field to tell me what other people(who may more may not be in the field) think happens, I know what happens because I did it and can form my own opinions on the subject from my personal experiences.

I also know that the government isn't perfect and i'm sure there are many many cover-ups but i also know that not everything makes it to the news, and it doesn't for good-cause, people are gullible and they believe what they want, sometimes those who know the whole context of something can only sitback and smile.

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Tue 05/06/14 11:39 AM





mis-information is to the tool of every administration, it is the tool of corporations, it is a tool for the Military as well.

In a fair and respectful world, I would agree with you. However, our world is neither fair or respectful.

If you are getting a divorce and you know your soon to be ex-wife hired a private eye, to comb through every detail of your life looking for something to use against you in court,

Will you just let say "I know she is watching me" but I'm not going to bother watching her, even if it is only to find out what she has on me.

You wouldn't do that if you wanted to win in court, you may in-turn hire your own private eye at least to find out what information she has and how she plans on using it.

This is the basis for our intelligence gathering, other countries watch us, as we watch them, it wouldn't be wise to not to do so.


Sounds like you feel you would have something to hide. Personally, why would you waste your time or money in such a battle with someone that simply wishes to part your company? An argument over "stuff"? So you spend all your money to save your "stuff" and lose it all to the lawyers in expenses in the end anyway....or in debt as a result?

Spying on another country or it's minions I can understand, but spying on Americans? And if, as you say, it's to prevent acts of potential harm to the president or others..... is that not the job we pay the police or secret service for? Or are you saying that every American is a potential terrorist with such thoughts in mind so we ALL have to sacrifice our constitutional rights for the common good?

I think a certain man in Germany as well as a few other country leaders had those same opinions and applied them. How did that work out again?

You're WRONG! Your opinion is not only flawed but has PROVENLY led to the destruction and genocide of mass populations of people and their liberty time and again!

But yet you preach this failed policy as acceptable..... interesting


Contrary to popular belief the government isn't given free-reign to spy on Americans, and I never said they should be allowed to. In fact there are many rules in-place to prevent even the accidental spying on Americans by American forces.

And as with most things the truth is more complicated than the news and others make it out to be,

So here is a scenario, say the government intercepts a call from a known terrorist, they have listened to him call his buddies, but then he dials an American number....should the government immediately stop listening because the person on the other line might be a legal citizen? should they only listen to one-side of the call?




What part of "chain of evidence" is it you don't quite understand?

You bomb a whole mosque or village because of one person you suspect?

yer right tho....it must be OK. Ollie North got away with the My Lai massacre

The Mỹ Lai Massacre (Vietnamese: thảm sát Mỹ Lai [tʰɐ̃ːm ʂɐ̌ːt mǐˀ lɐːj], [mǐˀlɐːj] ( listen); /ˌmiːˈlaɪ/, /ˌmiːˈleɪ/, or /ˌmaɪˈlaɪ/)[1] was the Vietnam War mass murder of between 347 and 504 unarmed civilians in South Vietnam on March 16, 1968. It was committed by the U.S. Army soldiers from the Company C of the 1st Battalion, 20th Infantry Regiment, 11th Brigade of the 23rd (Americal) Infantry Division. Victims included men, women, children, and infants. Some of the women were gang-raped and their bodies mutilated.[2][3] Twenty six soldiers were charged with criminal offenses, but only Lieutenant William Calley Jr., a platoon leader in C Company, was convicted. Found guilty of killing 22 villagers, he was originally given a life sentence, but served only three and a half years under house arrest.

The massacre, which was later called "the most shocking episode of the Vietnam War",[4] took place in two hamlets of Son My village in Sơn Tịnh District of Quảng Ngãi Province on the South Central Coast of the South China Sea, 100 miles south of Da Nang and several miles north of Quảng Ngãi city east of Highway 1.[5] These hamlets were marked on the U.S. Army topographic maps as My Lai and My Khe.[6] The U.S. military codeword for the alleged Viet Cong stronghold in that area was Pinkville,[7] and the carnage became known as the Pinkville Massacre first.[8][9] Next, when the U.S. Army started its investigation, the media changed it to the Massacre at Songmy.[10] Currently, the event is referred to as the My Lai Massacre in America and called the Son My Massacre in Vietnam.

The incident prompted global outrage when it became public knowledge in November 1969. The My Lai massacre increased to some extent[11] domestic opposition to the U.S. involvement in the Vietnam War when the scope of killing and cover-up attempts were exposed. Initially, three U.S. servicemen who had tried to halt the massacre and rescue the hiding civilians were shunned, and even denounced as traitors by several U.S. Congressmen, including Mendel Rivers, Chairman of the House Armed Services Committee. Only thirty years later they were recognized and decorated, one posthumously, by the U.S. Army for shielding noncombatants from harm in a war zone.[12]

Now he's decorated a war hero and has his own talk show...... funny how that works

Of course the traitor John McShame is called a war hero too instead of "The Hanoi Songbird" and is sitting as a senior US senator instead of in a cell in Leavenworth..... next to Bradley Manning.....

I understand a whole lot about chain of evidence, and also a whole lot about information gathering(it was my job)

I don't need to rely on articles written by people who aren't in the field to tell me what other people(who may more may not be in the field) think happens, I know what happens because I did it and can form my own opinions on the subject from my personal experiences.

I also know that the government isn't perfect and i'm sure there are many many cover-ups but i also know that not everything makes it to the news, and it doesn't for good-cause, people are gullible and they believe what they want, sometimes those who know the whole context of something can only sitback and smile.


Anyone smiling under this admin and our current situation is either an idiot or counting big bank from it

no photo
Wed 05/07/14 06:10 PM

Typical..... tell the fox who gave us Agenda 21 and wants our guns and rights to guard the hen house slaphead

If our Congress really was representing us, we wouldn't even be in the UN!


Absolutely true, we should reject this global elitist power from our sanction and eject the physical presence from this country, forever. Then we need to abolish the whole concept of NATO.

no photo
Wed 05/07/14 06:43 PM

Now if you tried thinking before being a political reactionary you'd notice it's a blatant embellishment.

Have you bothered researching at all what the NSA actually does?
Domestic CommInt for national security (policing) is a primary role, that means its listening stations filter telecommunications within the US for key phrases like "kill the president" or "suicide".

Do you seriously think the NSA phones up Tel Aviv every time a Boston schoolboy talks about suicide on the 'net with his mates? Or when some thug in St Loius says he wants to kill the president on his mobile?
WTF would Tel Aviv want to know about these things for?

"directly sends all of the intelligence that it gathers to the Israeli regime"? Bullcrap. It's such an obvious embellishment it's infantile and utterly ridiculous. The vast bulk of Intel the NSA gathers actually goes directly to local law enforcement and emergency services, since they're in a position to identify criminal or dangerous activities long before anyone else even knows it's happening. I have actual case examples of this, published and corroberated by LEO spokespeople in media.

Have you bothered researching what Intelligence gathering protocols are in place in the developed world?
Information sharing internationally is not only part of the Intelligence Community environment, it's necessary to maintain any kind of Intelligence community particularly on foreign soil. Otherwise US consulates would simply be banned from all other countries. The way it actually works is local security services are fully aware of the Intelligence gathering/reporting role of foreign consulates, the idea is friendly nations share information and unfriendly ones share disinformation. That's how you keep disagreements from becoming wars, whilst keeping at least some attempt at a level playing field.
Swedish indigenous fighter jets for example (the Gripen, Draken, all of them), use remanufactured and reproduced US engines and radar sets, but Swedish birds are the ones that take best spy photos and aerial intercepts of Russian technology. Information sharing, you give and you get, see how that works?

Now what exactly do you think is going on in the Middle East with half the US military over there all the time?
What, did you think Egypt, Syria or Russia was going to give accurate Intel on what's going on in relation to US interests?
You have to give to get, you have to share with somebody or nobody will tell you anything but lies, and Israel is the only friendly there..


So you not only have no idea what you're talking about, clearly, but you also have no idea what Intelligence gathering even is.
Be a conspiracy theorist sure, but that's insane so this is what it buys you: you're insane feller.


Total bull. I worked on technologies back in the early to mid seventies that exceeded the crap you are spouting. And that was when the equivalent of an iPhone required the space of a complete floor in a modern office building. Back in the era when Westinghouse used to have two circular seating areas in their lobby that felt warm but weren't seats at all but two full deck liquid nitrogen cooled Cray computers, the most powerful number crunchers in the world at the time.

I have worked in the wire centers and the internet hotels where all the incoming fiber optics has to go through a special little room in the corner before they can be distributed to the ISP backbone routers.

I have paid for development of communication protocol stacks from Israel because they were cheaper and faster than US sourcing and royalty free source code, so I understand their capabilities.

I have also had to deal with those little spooks in their black topcoats that would allow their name or alphabet letter to be used but we could give out their letter of registration with their seal and name on it, just so long as we didn't say it. And anything to or from Israel was no problem, actually easier than some internal US things.

So no this is not a conspiracy theory, it is just plain conspiracy fact. And NSA doesn't have to give them anything, there are direct links between the two. In fact it is harder to get things from Israel due to the US leaks than it is to them.

And I wasn't even working on the classified stuff, I just had to make it communicate. And I can only imagine with today's miniaturization and computing power, there are very few limits.

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Wed 05/07/14 06:49 PM

Jamie Fetzer,Agent Provocateur!laugh
Now if it came from someone else I might give it a second thought!bigsmile


The key word is UN. Israel and UN are very much linked but with Odumbo, he is jealous. Israel should be very careful, they could end up getting slipped the green Winnie.

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Wed 05/07/14 06:49 PM
it could be worse, they could sell it to the worst kind of terrorists - marketing companies!

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Wed 05/07/14 06:52 PM


Misinformation is the forte' of this admin...among other things... but all of that or the above statements aside, what part of the 4th amendment is it that you are OK with surrendering to government in the name of a little false security?

Seems none of it has accomplished anything but the persecution of simple taxpayers and wrongful solicitations to law enforcement agencies with the warning to "back engineer" the info to avoid the source.




Aaah, but it's value is not necessarily in the present but the future. With the data being collected it will be hard to tell just what may spring forward on one that gets in the way.

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Wed 05/07/14 06:56 PM


mis-information is to the tool of every administration, it is the tool of corporations, it is a tool for the Military as well.

In a fair and respectful world, I would agree with you. However, our world is neither fair or respectful.

If you are getting a divorce and you know your soon to be ex-wife hired a private eye, to comb through every detail of your life looking for something to use against you in court,

Will you just let say "I know she is watching me" but I'm not going to bother watching her, even if it is only to find out what she has on me.

You wouldn't do that if you wanted to win in court, you may in-turn hire your own private eye at least to find out what information she has and how she plans on using it.

This is the basis for our intelligence gathering, other countries watch us, as we watch them, it wouldn't be wise to not to do so.


Sounds like you feel you would have something to hide. Personally, why would you waste your time or money in such a battle with someone that simply wishes to part your company? An argument over "stuff"? So you spend all your money to save your "stuff" and lose it all to the lawyers in expenses in the end anyway....or in debt as a result?

Spying on another country or it's minions I can understand, but spying on Americans? And if, as you say, it's to prevent acts of potential harm to the president or others..... is that not the job we pay the police or secret service for? Or are you saying that every American is a potential terrorist with such thoughts in mind so we ALL have to sacrifice our constitutional rights for the common good?

I think a certain man in Germany as well as a few other country leaders had those same opinions and applied them. How did that work out again?

You're WRONG! Your opinion is not only flawed but has PROVENLY led to the destruction and genocide of mass populations of people and their liberty time and again!

But yet you preach this failed policy as acceptable..... interesting


I definitely would have to agree with you here, no doubt.

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Wed 05/07/14 07:08 PM

mis-information is to the tool of every administration, it is the tool of corporations, it is a tool for the Military as well.

In a fair and respectful world, I would agree with you. However, our world is neither fair or respectful.

If you are getting a divorce and you know your soon to be ex-wife hired a private eye, to comb through every detail of your life looking for something to use against you in court,

Will you just let say "I know she is watching me" but I'm not going to bother watching her, even if it is only to find out what she has on me.

You wouldn't do that if you wanted to win in court, you may in-turn hire your own private eye at least to find out what information she has and how she plans on using it.

This is the basis for our intelligence gathering, other countries watch us, as we watch them, it wouldn't be wise to not to do so.


No, this is the theory of the psychopathic statist.

Lacking in conscience and empathy, they take what they want and do as they please, violating social norms and expectations without guilt or remorse.


The mandate of government. But what is truly saddening are the idiotic masses that stand idly by while assuming the statist had some sort of authority.

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Wed 05/07/14 07:13 PM

it could be worse, they could sell it to the worst kind of terrorists - marketing companies!


Oh, they don't sell it, it's for free. There has been no mention as yet about Germany but then they are a little pissed. And to think they are the headquarters for the Agenda 21 gang.