And reason being that, is because each time I try to search "Torah Exodus 34:28 all the links it gives me is from the king James, it doesn't give the verse from the Torah. Which is why even still I believe it uses a different translated name in the Torah for that book. Unless you can help me out and give a link to a website that gives the verses specifically from the Torah.

Shemot - Exodus - Chapter 34

1. And the Lord said to Moses: "Hew for yourself two stone tablets like the first ones. And I will inscribe upon the tablets the words that were on the first tablets, which you broke. א. וַיֹּאמֶר יְהֹוָה אֶל משֶׁה פְּסָל לְךָ שְׁנֵי לֻחֹת אֲבָנִים כָּרִאשֹׁנִים וְכָתַבְתִּי עַל הַלֻּחֹת אֶת הַדְּבָרִים אֲשֶׁר הָיוּ עַל הַלֻּחֹת הָרִאשֹׁנִים אֲשֶׁר שִׁבַּרְתָּ:
2. Be prepared for the morning, and in the morning you shall ascend Mount Sinai and stand before Me there on the top of the mountain. ב. וֶהְיֵה נָכוֹן לַבֹּקֶר וְעָלִיתָ בַבֹּקֶר אֶל הַר סִינַי וְנִצַּבְתָּ לִי שָׁם עַל רֹאשׁ הָהָר:
3. No one shall ascend with you, neither shall anyone be seen anywhere on the mountain, neither shall the sheep and the cattle graze facing that mountain." ג. וְאִישׁ לֹא יַעֲלֶה עִמָּךְ וְגַם אִישׁ אַל יֵרָא בְּכָל הָהָר גַּם הַצֹּאן וְהַבָּקָר אַל יִרְעוּ אֶל מוּל הָהָר הַהוּא:
4. So he [Moses] hewed two stone tablets like the first ones, and Moses arose early in the morning and ascended Mount Sinai as the Lord had commanded him, and he took two stone tablets in his hand. ד. וַיִּפְסֹל שְׁנֵי לֻחֹת אֲבָנִים כָּרִאשֹׁנִים וַיַּשְׁכֵּם משֶׁה בַבֹּקֶר וַיַּעַל אֶל הַר סִינַי כַּאֲשֶׁר צִוָּה יְהֹוָה אֹתוֹ וַיִּקַּח בְּיָדוֹ שְׁנֵי לֻחֹת אֲבָנִים:
5. And the Lord descended in the cloud and stood with him there, and He called out in the name of the Lord. ה. וַיֵּרֶד יְהֹוָה בֶּעָנָן וַיִּתְיַצֵּב עִמּוֹ שָׁם וַיִּקְרָא בְשֵׁם יְהֹוָה:
6. And the Lord passed before him and proclaimed: Lord, Lord, benevolent God, Who is compassionate and gracious, slow to anger and abundant in loving kindness and truth, ו. וַיַּעֲבֹר יְהֹוָה | עַל פָּנָיו וַיִּקְרָא יְהֹוָה | יְהֹוָה אֵל רַחוּם וְחַנּוּן אֶרֶךְ אַפַּיִם וְרַב חֶסֶד וֶאֱמֶת:
7. preserving loving kindness for thousands, forgiving iniquity and rebellion and sin; yet He does not completely clear [of sin] He visits the iniquity of parents on children and children's children, to the third and fourth generations." ז. נצֵר חֶסֶד לָאֲלָפִים נֹשֵׂא עָוֹן וָפֶשַׁע וְחַטָּאָה וְנַקֵּה לֹא יְנַקֶּה פֹּקֵד | עֲוֹן אָבוֹת עַל בָּנִים וְעַל בְּנֵי בָנִים עַל שִׁלֵּשִׁים וְעַל רִבֵּעִים:
8. And Moses hastened, bowed his head to the ground and prostrated himself, ח. וַיְמַהֵר משֶׁה וַיִּקֹּד אַרְצָה וַיִּשְׁתָּחוּ:
9. and said: "If I have now found favor in Your eyes, O Lord, let the Lord go now in our midst [even] if they are a stiff necked people, and You shall forgive our iniquity and our sin and thus secure us as Your possession." ט. וַיֹּאמֶר אִם נָא מָצָאתִי חֵן בְּעֵינֶיךָ אֲדֹנָי יֵלֶךְ נָא אֲדֹנָי בְּקִרְבֵּנוּ כִּי עַם קְשֵׁה עֹרֶף הוּא וְסָלַחְתָּ לַעֲו‍ֹנֵנוּ וּלְחַטָּאתֵנוּ וּנְחַלְתָּנוּ:
10. And He said: "Behold! I will form a covenant; in the presence of all your people, I will make distinctions such as have not been created upon all the earth and among all the nations, and all the people in whose midst you are shall see the work of the Lord how awe inspiring it is that which I will perform with you. י. וַיֹּאמֶר הִנֵּה אָנֹכִי כֹּרֵת בְּרִית נֶגֶד כָּל עַמְּךָ אֶעֱשֶׂה נִפְלָאֹת אֲשֶׁר לֹא נִבְרְאוּ בְכָל הָאָרֶץ וּבְכָל הַגּוֹיִם וְרָאָה כָל הָעָם אֲשֶׁר אַתָּה בְקִרְבּוֹ אֶת מַעֲשֵׂה יְהֹוָה כִּי נוֹרָא הוּא אֲשֶׁר אֲנִי עֹשֶׂה עִמָּךְ:
11. Keep carefully what I am commanding you today: Lo! I will drive out from before you the Amorites and the Canaanites, the Hittites and the Perizzites, the Hivvites and the Jebusites. יא. שׁמָר לְךָ אֵת אֲשֶׁר אָנֹכִי מְצַוְּךָ הַיּוֹם הִנְנִי גֹרֵשׁ מִפָּנֶיךָ אֶת הָאֱמֹרִי וְהַכְּנַעֲנִי וְהַחִתִּי וְהַפְּרִזִּי וְהַחִוִּי וְהַיְבוּסִי:
12. Beware lest you form a covenant with the inhabitant[s] of the land into which you are coming, lest it become a snare in your midst. יב. הִשָּׁמֶר לְךָ פֶּן תִּכְרֹת בְּרִית לְיוֹשֵׁב הָאָרֶץ אֲשֶׁר אַתָּה בָּא עָלֶיהָ פֶּן יִהְיֶה לְמוֹקֵשׁ בְּקִרְבֶּךָ:
13. But you shall demolish their altars, shatter their monuments, and cut down their sacred trees. יג. כִּי אֶת מִזְבְּחֹתָם תִּתֹּצוּן וְאֶת מַצֵּבֹתָם תְּשַׁבֵּרוּן וְאֶת אֲשֵׁרָיו תִּכְרֹתוּן:
14. For you shall not prostrate yourself before another god, because the Lord, Whose Name is "Jealous One," is a jealous God. יד. כִּי לֹא תִשְׁתַּחֲוֶה לְאֵל אַחֵר כִּי יְהֹוָה קַנָּא שְׁמוֹ אֵל קַנָּא הוּא:
15. Lest you form a covenant with the inhabitant[s] of the land, and they [the gentiles] go astray after their gods, and they offer sacrifices to their gods, and they invite you, and you eat of their slaughtering, טו. פֶּן תִּכְרֹת בְּרִית לְיוֹשֵׁב הָאָרֶץ וְזָנוּ | אַחֲרֵי אֱלֹהֵיהֶם וְזָבְחוּ לֵאלֹהֵיהֶם וְקָרָא לְךָ וְאָכַלְתָּ מִזִּבְחוֹ:
16. and you take of their daughters for your sons; then their daughters will go astray after their gods and lead your sons astray after their gods. טז. וְלָקַחְתָּ מִבְּנֹתָיו לְבָנֶיךָ וְזָנוּ בְנֹתָיו אַחֲרֵי אֱלֹהֵיהֶן וְהִזְנוּ אֶת בָּנֶיךָ אַחֲרֵי אֱלֹהֵיהֶן:
17. You shall not make molten gods for yourself. יז. אֱלֹהֵי מַסֵּכָה לֹא תַעֲשֶׂה לָּךְ:
18. The Festival of Unleavened Cakes you shall keep; seven days you shall eat unleavened cakes which I have commanded you, at the appointed meeting time of the month of spring, for in the month of spring you went out of Egypt. יח. אֶת חַג הַמַּצּוֹת תִּשְׁמֹר שִׁבְעַת יָמִים תֹּאכַל מַצּוֹת אֲשֶׁר צִוִּיתִךָ לְמוֹעֵד חֹדֶשׁ הָאָבִיב כִּי בְּחֹדֶשׁ הָאָבִיב יָצָאתָ מִמִּצְרָיִם:
19. All that opens the womb is Mine, and all your livestock [that] bears a male, [by] the emergence of ox or lamb. יט. כָּל פֶּטֶר רֶחֶם לִי וְכָל מִקְנְךָ תִּזָּכָר פֶּטֶר שׁוֹר וָשֶׂה:
20. And a firstborn donkey you shall redeem with a lamb; if you do not redeem it, you shall decapitate it; every firstborn of your sons you shall redeem, and they shall not appear before Me empty handed. כ. וּפֶטֶר חֲמוֹר תִּפְדֶּה בְשֶׂה וְאִם לֹא תִפְדֶּה וַעֲרַפְתּוֹ כֹּל בְּכוֹר בָּנֶיךָ תִּפְדֶּה וְלֹא יֵרָאוּ פָנַי רֵיקָם:
21. Six days you may work, and on the seventh day you shall rest; in plowing and in harvest you shall rest. כא. שֵׁשֶׁת יָמִים תַּעֲבֹד וּבַיּוֹם הַשְּׁבִיעִי תִּשְׁבֹּת בֶּחָרִישׁ וּבַקָּצִיר תִּשְׁבֹּת:
22. And you shall make for yourself a Festival of Weeks, the first of the wheat harvest, and the festival of the ingathering, at the turn of the year. כב. וְחַג שָׁבֻעֹת תַּעֲשֶׂה לְךָ בִּכּוּרֵי קְצִיר חִטִּים וְחַג הָאָסִיף תְּקוּפַת הַשָּׁנָה:
23. Three times during the year shall all your male[s] appear directly before the Master, the Lord, the God of Israel. כג. שָׁלשׁ פְּעָמִים בַּשָּׁנָה יֵרָאֶה כָּל זְכוּרְךָ אֶת פְּנֵי הָאָדֹן | יְהֹוָה אֱלֹהֵי יִשְׂרָאֵל:
24. When I drive out nations from before you and I widen your border, no one will covet your land when you go up, to appear before the Lord, your God, three times each year. כד. כִּי אוֹרִישׁ גּוֹיִם מִפָּנֶיךָ וְהִרְחַבְתִּי אֶת גְּבֻלֶךָ וְלֹא יַחְמֹד אִישׁ אֶת אַרְצְךָ בַּעֲלֹתְךָ לֵרָאוֹת אֶת פְּנֵי יְהֹוָה אֱלֹהֶיךָ שָׁלשׁ פְּעָמִים בַּשָּׁנָה:
25. You shall not slaughter [or sprinkle] the blood of My sacrifice with leaven, and the offering of the Passover feast shall not remain overnight until the morning. כה. לֹא תִשְׁחַט עַל חָמֵץ דַּם זִבְחִי וְלֹא יָלִין לַבֹּקֶר זֶבַח חַג הַפָּסַח:
26. The choicest of the first of your soil you shall bring to the house of the Lord, your God. You shall not cook a kid in its mother's milk." כו. רֵאשִׁית בִּכּוּרֵי אַדְמָתְךָ תָּבִיא בֵּית יְהֹוָה אֱלֹהֶיךָ לֹא תְבַשֵּׁל גְּדִי בַּחֲלֵב אִמּוֹ:
27. The Lord said to Moses: "Inscribe these words for yourself, for according to these words I have formed a covenant with you and with Israel." כז. וַיֹּאמֶר יְהֹוָה אֶל משֶׁה כְּתָב לְךָ אֶת הַדְּבָרִים הָאֵלֶּה כִּי עַל פִּי | הַדְּבָרִים הָאֵלֶּה כָּרַתִּי אִתְּךָ בְּרִית וְאֶת יִשְׂרָאֵל:
28. He was there with the Lord for forty days and forty nights; he ate no bread and drank no water, and He inscribed upon the tablets the words of the Covenant, the Ten Commandments. כח. וַיְהִי שָׁם עִם יְהֹוָה אַרְבָּעִים יוֹם וְאַרְבָּעִים לַיְלָה לֶחֶם לֹא אָכַל וּמַיִם לֹא שָׁתָה וַיִּכְתֹּב עַל הַלֻּחֹת אֵת דִּבְרֵי הַבְּרִית עֲשֶׂרֶת הַדְּבָרִים:
29. And it came to pass when Moses descended from Mount Sinai, and the two tablets of the testimony were in Moses' hand when he descended from the mountain and Moses did not know that the skin of his face had become radiant while He had spoken with him כט. וַיְהִי בְּרֶדֶת משֶׁה מֵהַר סִינַי וּשְׁנֵי לֻחֹת הָעֵדֻת בְּיַד משֶׁה בְּרִדְתּוֹ מִן הָהָר וּמשֶׁה לֹא יָדַע כִּי קָרַן עוֹר פָּנָיו בְּדַבְּרוֹ אִתּוֹ:
30. that Aaron and all the children of Israel saw Moses and behold! the skin of his face had become radiant, and they were afraid to come near him. ל. וַיַּרְא אַהֲרֹן וְכָל בְּנֵי יִשְׂרָאֵל אֶת משֶׁה וְהִנֵּה קָרַן עוֹר פָּנָיו וַיִּירְאוּ מִגֶּשֶׁת אֵלָיו:
31. But Moses called to them, and Aaron and all the princes of the community returned to him, and Moses would speak to them. לא. וַיִּקְרָא אֲלֵהֶם משֶׁה וַיָּשֻׁבוּ אֵלָיו אַהֲרֹן וְכָל הַנְּשִׂאִים בָּעֵדָה וַיְדַבֵּר משֶׁה אֲלֵהֶם:
32. Afterwards all the children of Israel would draw near, and he would command them everything that the Lord had spoken with him on Mount Sinai. לב. וְאַחֲרֵי כֵן נִגְּשׁוּ כָּל בְּנֵי יִשְׂרָאֵל וַיְצַוֵּם אֵת כָּל אֲשֶׁר דִּבֶּר יְהֹוָה אִתּוֹ בְּהַר סִינָי:
33. When Moses had finished speaking with them, he placed a covering over his face. לג. וַיְכַל משֶׁה מִדַּבֵּר אִתָּם וַיִּתֵּן עַל פָּנָיו מַסְוֶה:
34. When Moses would come before the Lord to speak with Him, he would remove the covering until he left; then he would leave and speak to the children of Israel what he would be commanded. לד. וּבְבֹא משֶׁה לִפְנֵי יְהֹוָה לְדַבֵּר אִתּוֹ יָסִיר אֶת הַמַּסְוֶה עַד צֵאתוֹ וְיָצָא וְדִבֶּר אֶל בְּנֵי יִשְׂרָאֵל אֵת אֲשֶׁר יְצֻוֶּה:
35. Then the children of Israel would see Moses' face, that the skin of Moses' face had become radiant, and [then] Moses would replace the covering over his face until he would come [again] to speak with Him. לה. וְרָאוּ בְנֵי יִשְׂרָאֵל אֶת פְּנֵי משֶׁה כִּי קָרַן עוֹר פְּנֵי משֶׁה וְהֵשִׁיב משֶׁה אֶת הַמַּסְוֶה עַל פָּנָיו עַד בֹּאוֹ לְדַבֵּר אִתּוֹ:

Does it now?

Torah -
28 And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten words.

Source - http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt0234.htm


*side note on what got us into this "bickering" if you will so it seems*

This si the reason I asked for either a link or something to cross reference. To either see the context or just to see it for myself in general. The torah says "ten words" and they are not capitalized. Again, yes not putting entire faith into the site as we all know I don't read specifically the Torah, so I would have no idea to know if it's legit or not. So if you know of somewhere(s) it capitalizes it please share, a single person writing it does not count either, for the grammar still plays a part with possible error. The example would have to be from a site specifically dedicated to the verse(s) in that translation please if you will.

Oops, looks like it can't translate the Hebrew text.

If you need a reference try this website


http://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/9895/jewish/Chapter-34.htm

From the same version you used the Shemot, still says just "ten words"

And he was there with HaShem forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten words,

and is not capitalized at that.

Source - http://www.breslov.com/bible/Exodus34.htm

Technically, there are 613 commandments in the Torah.

And little do they know their are over 1000 commandments in the New Testament

Exodus 34 is not truly THAT clear, it initially says GOD would write the same commandments that were FIRST on the tablets , then God speaks, then God tells Moses to write down the words, then Moses writes 'on the tablet' the words of the 'covenant'


during old testament there was a special covenant between God and Moses people, it consisted of many rules, including the TEN spoken by God on the Mt that the people did not want him to speak to them directly,, what we refer to as ten commandments

I am no expert on which ones were included on the tablets, or if these are the only things included on the tablets,,

but this is what I refer to as 'ten commandments', those spoken by God to Moses for the people who were too fearful to hear them directly from him

And technically all the other laws/commandments are moot when speaking of specifically the 10 commandments. For the "10 commandments" is specifically in reference to a certain group of commandments/laws. So please, lets not play these games "there's this many, now there's actually that many," and so forth. Weather they are even called specifically the 10 commandments or not in the scriptures is moot as well. For we refer to them with that title for again so we know what specific laws/commandments someone is talking about.

I refer to the Decalogue of Exodus 20 as being just that, while acknowledging that the Torah has more than 10 commandments.

This, of course is the point!

Xian Reconstructionism- based on Rushdoony's 1973 tome The Institutes of Biblical Law, movement has an agenda to: "...replace democracy with a theocratic elite that would govern by imposing their interpretation of 'Biblical law'. Reconstructionism would eliminate not only democracy but many of its manifestations, such as labor unions, civil rights laws and public schools. Women would be generally regulated to hearth and home. Insufficiently Christian men would be denied citizenship, perhaps executed"- Federick Clarkson.

These are the people behind Sarah Palin and the TEA party. These are the people who "want their America back"

And again the "10 commandments" was a specific set of commandments that were given at one exact time. Doesn't mean those were the only commandments given or the only commandments needed to follow. Just that those specific 10 were given at a specific time. And I can guarantee you that those 613 can be summarized into those 10 unless you're going to get nitty gritty and are speaking of specific commandments to specific people for specific reasons as well, those would be moot to the general population these days as they would be irrelevant.

Meanwhile, back in this Universe ...

Reference is Republican Gomorrah by Max Blumenthal, all documented but a little dated up to when Dobson of Focus on the Family strongarmed DeLay's retirement

You really lived up to your name on this one

Most christians don't see the second commandment.

They actually hark back to Sumer!
They were first published in the Sumerian Gazette!

Some Christian groups do, some don't. But also, don't know the translation these specific verses are from but the verse is no "gaven images" not specifically molten.



And in turn would technically be incorrect and a mistranslation. As the verse says "any graven images". You can grave things also into wood eg., the crosses with Jesus on it. Now the crosses in itself is not where the wrong/sin resides. It's when they have Jesus on the cross where the sin comes in. Because it goes into further detail then just "graven images"

Exodus 20:4

4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

The instruction is more specifically referring to images of things in Heaven or in Hell eg., is in heaven above, or in the earth beneath. And that's only common sense, for any images of either place or that associated would not be accurate in any way shape or form because we have not seen either places with our own eyes.

really? i have read it about 8 times cover to cover..., and have studied it since childhood. it is, interestingly the sigular book that one can study thier whole lives and learn as much the last time they study as the first.

... and everyone knows which ten commandments are being referred to. When we want to dodge a difficult question, WE change the topic. for proof see the current administration. example- if we disagree with the administration, or have valid issues or complaints, we are told it is because we are racist. That old card is wearing really thin i think. , but it is the exact same tactic we are seeing here.