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mightymoe Joined Sun 11/19/06 Posts: 37362	Sat 04/12/14 10:55 AM Edited by mightymoe on Sat 04/12/14 10:58 AM
http://www.blacklistednews.com/Cop_%E2%80%9CHad_No_Choice%E2%80%9D_to_Shoot_and_Kill_Mentally_Ill_Child_Because_He_.../32954/0/0/0/Y/M.html Cop "��Had No Choice"�� to Shoot and Kill Mentally Ill Child Because He Left His Taser Home? February 17, 2014 Source: Filming Cops NORTH CAROLINA �� A cop who said "��We don’t have time for this"�� and then killed a 90-lb mentally ill boy has been indicted by a grand jury for voluntary manslaughter. Bryon Vassey "had no choice" to shoot the child because he left his Taser home? Bryon Vassey entered the home of a family who called 911 for medical help after their schizophrenic child had an episode. Rather than helping officers de-escalate the situation, Vassey is reported to have said "��We don’t have time for this."�� Moments later he opened fire and executed the young boy, killing him as his parents screamed in shock. Now, Vassey'��s attorney is saying the officer "��had no choice"�� but to shoot the child. "Detective Bryon Vassey exercised the only morally, legally justified duty of protecting the life of a fellow officer and that sadly (ended) the life of young Mr. Keith Vidal,"�� said the attorney, James Payne. Now see if you can wrap your mind around this. The reason the killing is justified, he claims, is because Vassey had only his gun on him that day and no Taser, according to reports. Thus with his firearm as the only weapon he brought with him that day, he "��had no choice"�� but to shoot the child in the chest. Vassey was carrying only his gun that day because he was assigned to detective duties and detectives aren’t required to carry Tasers, said police chief Jerry Dove. That'��s government logic for you. The shooting death of an innocent boy "��had to happen"�� because, well, the cop had a gun to shoot with. Vassey has been on paid administrative leave since the killing.

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Sat 04/12/14 11:47 AM
time for some Guncontrol on the Government!

alnewman Joined Sat 12/14/13 Posts: 4009	Sat 04/12/14 11:59 AM
time for some Guncontrol on the Government! Really, so you saw a piece of paper walking around with a gun, obviously if couldn't of had very good control, could it. But doubt it could get it loaded much less pull a trigger. Hope you took a picture, it would be priceless. No, it is time we the people let the humans in government that it is them that are responsible for their actions. They piece of paper tells them noting, it just documents their limited abilities as "public" servants.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sat 04/12/14 12:42 PM
seems like a strange lack of details initially,,,, waiting for more,,,,but here is what has come forth since... BOILING SPRINGS LAKES, NC - The attorney of a policeman explains why his client shot and killed an NC teen – allegedly while the teen was being held down by 2 other officers and had already been Tasered on Sunday. Southport police officer Byron Vassey is on paid administrative leave after he shot and killed Keith Vidal in the hallway of his Boiling Springs Lakes home – while his parents were there. His parents had called 911 for help after the 19-year-old Vidal, who suffers from schizophrenia, had a screwdriver and was threatening his mother. It was the 33rd time that police had been called to the same home since 2006 for domestic issues, as well as disorderly conduct and a juvenile out of control. A 911 call indicates that 2 officers that arrived at the home had little or no trouble with the teen for 10 minutes, but 1 minute after Vassey arrived the teen had been shot and killed by Vassey. It's unclear how many of those 32 times in the past Vassey had been at the home. One report from the parents indicates one officer, possibly Vassey, said they "didn't have time" for Vidal just before the shooting. Here is the interview between CNN and James Payne, who is the attorney for Vassey: CNN: You're telling me this young man was not subdued, he was fighting back? PAYNE: He was, yes sir. CNN: He was actually taking that screwdriver and stabbing one of the officers multiple times? PAYNE: In the abdomen area. Yes sir. CNN: But not causing any injury? PAYNE: Apparently he had not. Again the officer apparently had a bullet-proof vest on. Vidal was only 5 feet, 3 inches tall and weighed less than 100 pounds, but according to Vassey's attorney, had become such a threat to the safety of the one officer, that Vassey had no choice but to use deadly force. CNN: Did that officer yell for help or ask for someone to shoot this man? PAYNE: No sir. Did not. CNN: Then why did the detective feel like he needed to use deadly force at that point? PAYNE: Because the stabbing motions traveled to an exposed part of the down officer. The North Carolina Police Benevolent Association agrees. The legal support group calls the situation dangerous and calls Keith Vidal's screwdriver a deadly weapon and says detective Vassey used authorized law enforcement action. The aggressive and threatening picture described is in sharp contrast to the family's belief that Keith Vidal should not have died. -- FROM CNN http://www.wncn.com/story/24418259/attorney-defends-nc-officer-who-shot-killed-teen-in-front-of-parents-at-home

mightymoe Joined Sun 11/19/06 Posts: 37362	Sat 04/12/14 12:45 PM
they are siding with the cops way to much on these types of crimes... the cop was judge, jury and executioner and he gets a 2 month paid vacation for murder...

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sat 04/12/14 12:55 PM Edited by msharmony on Sat 04/12/14 12:57 PM
upon reading that three officers were involved and this individual was only 90 pounds, Im not disagreeing,,, people resort to guns much too easily and quickly, that's a belief that I have pretty clearly expressed many times I was just commenting that there had to be just a bit more to the story than a grown officer walking into a house and pulling out his gun and shooting a 90 pound individual,,, perhaps he was viewed as a thug due to the history he had with police calls, maybe he needed to be in an assisted home if he was that regularly episodic,,,, but in any case, three grown trained officers should have had it handled without the use of gunfire,,,

alnewman Joined Sat 12/14/13 Posts: 4009	Sat 04/12/14 01:00 PM
seems like a strange lack of details initially,,,, waiting for more,,,,but here is what has come forth since... BOILING SPRINGS LAKES, NC - The attorney of a policeman explains why his client shot and killed an NC teen – allegedly while the teen was being held down by 2 other officers and had already been Tasered on Sunday. Southport police officer Byron Vassey is on paid administrative leave after he shot and killed Keith Vidal in the hallway of his Boiling Springs Lakes home – while his parents were there. His parents had called 911 for help after the 19-year-old Vidal, who suffers from schizophrenia, had a screwdriver and was threatening his mother. It was the 33rd time that police had been called to the same home since 2006 for domestic issues, as well as disorderly conduct and a juvenile out of control. A 911 call indicates that 2 officers that arrived at the home had little or no trouble with the teen for 10 minutes, but 1 minute after Vassey arrived the teen had been shot and killed by Vassey. It's unclear how many of those 32 times in the past Vassey had been at the home. One report from the parents indicates one officer, possibly Vassey, said they "didn't have time" for Vidal just before the shooting. Here is the interview between CNN and James Payne, who is the attorney for Vassey: CNN: You're telling me this young man was not subdued, he was fighting back? PAYNE: He was, yes sir. CNN: He was actually taking that screwdriver and stabbing one of the officers multiple times? PAYNE: In the abdomen area. Yes sir. CNN: But not causing any injury? PAYNE: Apparently he had not. Again the officer apparently had a bullet-proof vest on. Vidal was only 5 feet, 3 inches tall and weighed less than 100 pounds, but according to Vassey's attorney, had become such a threat to the safety of the one officer, that Vassey had no choice but to use deadly force. CNN: Did that officer yell for help or ask for someone to shoot this man? PAYNE: No sir. Did not. CNN: Then why did the detective feel like he needed to use deadly force at that point? PAYNE: Because the stabbing motions traveled to an exposed part of the down officer. The North Carolina Police Benevolent Association agrees. The legal support group calls the situation dangerous and calls Keith Vidal's screwdriver a deadly weapon and says detective Vassey used authorized law enforcement action. The aggressive and threatening picture described is in sharp contrast to the family's belief that Keith Vidal should not have died. -- FROM CNN http://www.wncn.com/story/24418259/attorney-defends-nc-officer-who-shot-killed-teen-in-front-of-parents-at-home So which was the entitlement character, the dead kid or the cop? And just why was a detective there and what about the uniformed cops? A less than hundred pound kid and three cops, probably two with tazers as they were uniformed, and yet the detective had to shoot him because "he didn't have time for this". And waiting for what, to be judge and jury with no trail, after all a jury can't be right. Sure, just like Zimmerman, except Zimmerman was right. This cop should be charged with murder, in the first degree, don't have time, that is premeditated.

alnewman Joined Sat 12/14/13 Posts: 4009	Sat 04/12/14 01:00 PM
they are siding with the cops way to much on these types of crimes... the cop was judge, jury and executioner and he gets a 2 month paid vacation for murder... Well, at least the grand jury indited. But now will the petite jury convict?

mightymoe Joined Sun 11/19/06 Posts: 37362	Sat 04/12/14 01:02 PM
upon reading that three officers were involved and this individual was only 90 pounds, Im not disagreeing,,, people resort to guns much too easily and quickly, that's a belief that I have pretty clearly expressed many times I was just commenting that there had to be just a bit more to the story than a grown officer walking into a house and pulling out his gun and shooting a 90 pound individual,,, perhaps he was viewed as a thug due to the history he had with police calls, maybe he needed to be in an assisted home if he was that regularly episodic,,,, but in any case, three grown trained officers should have had it handled without the use of gunfire,,, or tazers... or maybe after the 20th time the police were called, maybe someone should have thought of taking the kid to a hospital...

mightymoe Joined Sun 11/19/06 Posts: 37362	Sat 04/12/14 01:02 PM
i agree, it does sound premeditated...and they should take back all "paid leave" too...

alnewman Joined Sat 12/14/13 Posts: 4009	Sat 04/12/14 01:04 PM
upon reading that three officers were involved and this individual was only 90 pounds, Im not disagreeing,,, people resort to guns much too easily and quickly, that's a belief that I have pretty clearly expressed many times I was just commenting that there had to be just a bit more to the story than a grown officer walking into a house and pulling out his gun and shooting a 90 pound individual,,, perhaps he was viewed as a thug due to the history he had with police calls, maybe he needed to be in an assisted home if he was that regularly episodic,,,, but in any case, three grown trained officers should have had it handled without the use of gunfire,,, So which is it? People use guns too easily and quickly ... or... there are excuses to shoot a kid known to misbehave? Did you ever stop and ask about why for ten minutes everything is ok with the two uniformed cops and then within a minute of the detectives arrival, there is a body? Of course not, that requires critical thinking, not just critical.

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Sat 04/12/14 01:38 PM
upon reading that three officers were involved and this individual was only 90 pounds, Im not disagreeing,,, people resort to guns much too easily and quickly, that's a belief that I have pretty clearly expressed many times I was just commenting that there had to be just a bit more to the story than a grown officer walking into a house and pulling out his gun and shooting a 90 pound individual,,, perhaps he was viewed as a thug due to the history he had with police calls, maybe he needed to be in an assisted home if he was that regularly episodic,,,, but in any case, three grown trained officers should have had it handled without the use of gunfire,,, So which is it? People use guns too easily and quickly ... or... there are excuses to shoot a kid known to misbehave? Did you ever stop and ask about why for ten minutes everything is ok with the two uniformed cops and then within a minute of the detectives arrival, there is a body? Of course not, that requires critical thinking, not just critical. and you are of course the only one on Terra with that ability? Or,do you need to be right at any cost,no matter what?

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sat 04/12/14 06:53 PM Edited by msharmony on Sat 04/12/14 06:53 PM
upon reading that three officers were involved and this individual was only 90 pounds, Im not disagreeing,,, people resort to guns much too easily and quickly, that's a belief that I have pretty clearly expressed many times I was just commenting that there had to be just a bit more to the story than a grown officer walking into a house and pulling out his gun and shooting a 90 pound individual,,, perhaps he was viewed as a thug due to the history he had with police calls, maybe he needed to be in an assisted home if he was that regularly episodic,,,, but in any case, three grown trained officers should have had it handled without the use of gunfire,,, So which is it? People use guns too easily and quickly ... or... there are excuses to shoot a kid known to misbehave? Did you ever stop and ask about why for ten minutes everything is ok with the two uniformed cops and then within a minute of the detectives arrival, there is a body? Of course not, that requires critical thinking, not just critical. what part of 'Im not disagreeing' was hard to understand exactly? there ISNT excuse to shoot an unarmed kid(though this one had a screwdriver actually), whether he is known to misbehave or not I stopped to ask what ELSE Was missing from the story. Like, according to whom was 'everything alright'? , I don't consider it 'alright' when parents have needed to call cops dozens of times on a 'boy' in their care,,, Im quite capable of critical thinking,, but the desire to make someone else 'wrong' often causes some to jump to wrong conclusions for the purpose of unnecessary and irrelevant argument,,,

sweetestgirl11 Joined Fri 09/12/08 Posts: 30087	Sat 04/12/14 08:08 PM
seems like a strange lack of details initially,,,, waiting for more,,,,but here is what has come forth since... BOILING SPRINGS LAKES, NC - The attorney of a policeman explains why his client shot and killed an NC teen – allegedly while the teen was being held down by 2 other officers and had already been Tasered on Sunday. Southport police officer Byron Vassey is on paid administrative leave after he shot and killed Keith Vidal in the hallway of his Boiling Springs Lakes home – while his parents were there. His parents had called 911 for help after the 19-year-old Vidal, who suffers from schizophrenia, had a screwdriver and was threatening his mother. It was the 33rd time that police had been called to the same home since 2006 for domestic issues, as well as disorderly conduct and a juvenile out of control. A 911 call indicates that 2 officers that arrived at the home had little or no trouble with the teen for 10 minutes, but 1 minute after Vassey arrived the teen had been shot and killed by Vassey. It's unclear how many of those 32 times in the past Vassey had been at the home. One report from the parents indicates one officer, possibly Vassey, said they "didn't have time" for Vidal just before the shooting. Here is the interview between CNN and James Payne, who is the attorney for Vassey: CNN: You're telling me this young man was not subdued, he was fighting back? PAYNE: He was, yes sir. CNN: He was actually taking that screwdriver and stabbing one of the officers multiple times? PAYNE: In the abdomen area. Yes sir. CNN: But not causing any injury? PAYNE: Apparently he had not. Again the officer apparently had a bullet-proof vest on. Vidal was only 5 feet, 3 inches tall and weighed less than 100 pounds, but according to Vassey's attorney, had become such a threat to the safety of the one officer, that Vassey had no choice but to use deadly force. CNN: Did that officer yell for help or ask for someone to shoot this man? PAYNE: No sir. Did not. CNN: Then why did the detective feel like he needed to use deadly force at that point? PAYNE: Because the stabbing motions traveled to an exposed part of the down officer. The North Carolina Police Benevolent Association agrees. The legal support group calls the situation dangerous and calls Keith Vidal's screwdriver a deadly weapon and says detective Vassey used authorized law enforcement action. The aggressive and threatening picture described is in sharp contrast to the family's belief that Keith Vidal should not have died. -- FROM CNN http://www.wncn.com/story/24418259/attorney-defends-nc-officer-who-shot-killed-teen-in-front-of-parents-at-home So which was the entitlement character, the dead kid or the cop? And just why was a detective there and what about the uniformed cops? A less than hundred pound kid and three cops, probably two with tazers as they were uniformed, and yet the detective had to shoot him because "he didn't have time for this". And waiting for what, to be judge and jury with no trail, after all a jury can't be right. Sure, just like Zimmerman, except Zimmerman was right. This cop should be charged with murder, in the first degree, don't have time, that is premeditated. do not agree that it was premeditated...once there, not before, stated no time we all say all kinda shyte under stress. my question is why this juvenile was not incarcerated before this?

sweetestgirl11 Joined Fri 09/12/08 Posts: 30087	Sat 04/12/14 08:09 PM
upon reading that three officers were involved and this individual was only 90 pounds, Im not disagreeing,,, people resort to guns much too easily and quickly, that's a belief that I have pretty clearly expressed many times I was just commenting that there had to be just a bit more to the story than a grown officer walking into a house and pulling out his gun and shooting a 90 pound individual,,, perhaps he was viewed as a thug due to the history he had with police calls, maybe he needed to be in an assisted home if he was that regularly episodic,,,, but in any case, three grown trained officers should have had it handled without the use of gunfire,,, So which is it? People use guns too easily and quickly ... or... there are excuses to shoot a kid known to misbehave? Did you ever stop and ask about why for ten minutes everything is ok with the two uniformed cops and then within a minute of the detectives arrival, there is a body? Of course not, that requires critical thinking, not just critical. no. be an adult please. it requires an internal affairs investigation. which I hope has already begun.

TBRich Joined Fri 11/07/08 Posts: 8232	Sat 04/12/14 08:51 PM
This gives me the right royal red azz, because I have seen so much of it. This is a failure of everyone, his mental health support system especially. I made several recommendations for LTSRs versus community which were denied and lead to some pretty nasty client/police interactions. I also used to teach non-violent physical intervention, but off the the record, would recommend just knocking the guy out if they were at too high a risk of dying from "psychotic exhaustion" during a restraint. I am sorry that the officer didn't have the time to assist someone in crisis.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sat 04/12/14 09:15 PM Edited by msharmony on Sat 04/12/14 09:17 PM
I am sorry for all involved. except the shooter who, at this point, didn't seem to be facing any danger personally What an avoidable tragedy,,,,

TBRich Joined Fri 11/07/08 Posts: 8232	Sat 04/12/14 09:53 PM
Gosh this bothers me. No one made a crisis plan with the family and kid and I mean a real one, with POA? Not just a contract for safety? No one talked to the police community liason officer? I guess no one had time for this kid and he fell through the cracks

boredinaz06 Joined Sun 10/15/06 Posts: 22764	Sat 04/12/14 10:11 PM
Why was this turd entering another city? Boiling Spring Lakes PD didn't call for any backup that I read about.

alnewman Joined Sat 12/14/13 Posts: 4009	Sun 04/13/14 10:00 AM
seems like a strange lack of details initially,,,, waiting for more,,,,but here is what has come forth since... BOILING SPRINGS LAKES, NC - The attorney of a policeman explains why his client shot and killed an NC teen â allegedly while the teen was being held down by 2 other officers and had already been Tasered on Sunday. Southport police officer Byron Vassey is on paid administrative leave after he shot and killed Keith Vidal in the hallway of his Boiling Springs Lakes home â while his parents were there. His parents had called 911 for help after the 19-year-old Vidal, who suffers from schizophrenia, had a screwdriver and was threatening his mother. It was the 33rd time that police had been called to the same home since 2006 for domestic issues, as well as disorderly conduct and a juvenile out of control. A 911 call indicates that 2 officers that arrived at the home had little or no trouble with the teen for 10 minutes, but 1 minute after Vassey arrived the teen had been shot and killed by Vassey. It's unclear how many of those 32 times in the past Vassey had been at the home. One report from the parents indicates one officer, possibly Vassey, said they "didn't have time" for Vidal just before the shooting. Here is the interview between CNN and James Payne, who is the attorney for Vassey: CNN: You're telling me this young man was not subdued, he was fighting back? PAYNE: He was, yes sir. CNN: He was actually taking that screwdriver and stabbing one of the officers multiple times? PAYNE: In the abdomen area. Yes sir. CNN: But not causing any injury? PAYNE: Apparently he had not. Again the officer apparently had a bullet-proof vest on. Vidal was only 5 feet, 3 inches tall and weighed less than 100 pounds, but according to Vassey's attorney, had become such a threat to the safety of the one officer, that Vassey had no choice but to use deadly force. CNN: Did that officer yell for help or ask for someone to shoot this man? PAYNE: No sir. Did not. CNN: Then why did the detective feel like he needed to use deadly force at that point? PAYNE: Because the stabbing motions traveled to an exposed part of the down officer. The North Carolina Police Benevolent Association agrees. The legal support group calls the situation dangerous and calls Keith Vidal's screwdriver a deadly weapon and says detective Vassey used authorized law enforcement action. The aggressive and threatening picture described is in sharp contrast to the family's belief that Keith Vidal should not have died. -- FROM CNN http://www.wncn.com/story/24418259/attorney-defends-nc-officer-who-shot-killed-teen-in-front-of-parents-at-home So which was the entitlement character, the dead kid or the cop? And just why was a detective there and what about the uniformed cops? A less than hundred pound kid and three cops, probably two with tazers as they were uniformed, and yet the detective had to shoot him because "he didn't have time for this". And waiting for what, to be judge and jury with no trail, after all a jury can't be right. Sure, just like Zimmerman, except Zimmerman was right. This cop should be charged with murder, in the first degree, don't have time, that is premeditated. do not agree that it was premeditated...once there, not before, stated no time we all say all kinda shyte under stress. my question is why this juvenile was not incarcerated before this? U.S. Code › Title 18 › Part I › Chapter 51 › § 1111 18 U.S. Code § 1111 - Murder (a) Murder is the unlawful killing of a human being with malice aforethought. Every murder perpetrated by poison, lying in wait, or any other kind of willful, deliberate, malicious, and premeditated killing; or committed in the perpetration of, or attempt to perpetrate, any arson, escape, murder, kidnapping, treason, espionage, sabotage, aggravated sexual abuse or sexual abuse, child abuse, burglary, or robbery; or perpetrated as part of a pattern or practice of assault or torture against a child or children; or perpetrated from a premeditated design unlawfully and maliciously to effect the death of any human being other than him who is killed, is murder in the first degree. Any other murder is murder in the second degree. So it really doesn't matter about disagreeing, that would just be some emotional response, not an educated response based on actual law. And with the utterance of those words, "didn't have time" before shooting classifies it as premeditation, murder in the first degree. but what does the young man being incarcerated have to do with it? An attempt to use the frog defense so one doesn't have to face responsibilities for their actions. You know (?), "if a frog had wings it wouldn't bump it's butt when it landed". No, I would say more like trying to deflect the topic to anything but what it really is, the murder of a young man by one with "no time for this" when there are three big burly cops around that can't subdue one 90 pound weakling. If that be the cases, why are they cops when they can't maintain the peace without violating the police. And another thing, there were two uniformed cops there. As uniformed cops, as the article stated must have tasers, why didn't they use the tasers? It's because you have an authority figure that "didn't have time" and knew that he could get away with it, why, because of the frog.