is this the choice that the men or women serving in the Armed Forces makes.. R is it conditioning.. shoot don't shoot.. not something you want somebody thinking about it.. is an action you wanted to make. involuntarily.. a conditioned response.. so yes even though you think you're making the choice you're in the driver seat really you're not... your condition to believe that to think that though... your decision to reply to this or not.. I am here because it is predetermined what I put down is my free choice.. just as though you responded to this when you do is predetermined.. how you respond is up to you.. but you being at this site at that particular time not up to you....wezz.ur 2 Ezz

Neitsche would say it is about 'will to power' in my words everything we do is to gain dominance over others and for our own pleasure. it is not pre-destined.

Elements of both.

I believe it a combination of both. However to day it's all predetermined would give people an excuse nit to take responsibility for their actions.

..no. I would beg to differ.. your actions and what you do is your free will.. you being at the Pacific Place in time.. is predetermined..ok.

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I can see how this makes sense

This is just like, you tie a sheep with rope in a ground. The sheep has limited area under its cover where it can do anything but in the rest area it is impossible to handle situations. Similarly by the almighty some rights are provided to us but a lot rights are preserved for almighty.

yes muscleman I completely believe in free will. my life has been a chain of events affected mostly by my own decisions....sometimes the decisions of others and my response to them. We can't always see the whole picture when we make decisions or respond to events so unforseen things happen. that has nothing to do with predetermination.

Both.
Although, for a period in my life, I truly believe Satan himself, was steering me.

Predetermined or free will?...I have to go with free will because I believe the ONLY free will we have is in choosing to think or not to think...This does not mean by thinking we are making the right choice, it simply means we are making a decision to choose an action...It is the sum of these actions (choices) that serve to define us at any given point in the course of our life...

I feel that we do have free will but our choices are predetermined by our environment and our conditioning. Psychology. We may feel we are in con trol but find ourselves doing the same stupid things.

If a gang choose to beat me up, then I don't have free will to be happy in that very moment.

If I chose to kick my dog, then he doesn't have free will to be safe from injury.

If mum decided to kick me out, I wouldn't have free will to go back and sleep there.

If I get Brohnchitis, I never had free will over that. As I wouldn't even know I was going to get it. And no free will in deciding when I recover, or IF i get to.

Well, I think I believe in free willism. Our future is determined by us and not our environment.
If nine out of 10 people in an environment are messed up and they blame their environment, it is not logical to say that the evironment is responsible bcos there is still person who is not messed up.
We can't blame our society or environment for our choices.

I think free will exists in small matters. I like both fresh rolls and pancakes, as well as waffles. I have the ingredients to make all three but would never finish all three so, yes, I MUST make a choice here, as in something that is predetermined out of hunger and the choices available, but it is my decision which one I choose. However, a great many things are either predetermined through DNA/genes/hormonal processes, natural environmental processes, or chemical processes we are not aware of enough to alter consciously on our own. So, these things cannot be a part of free will. Neither is it our own will being engaged if another species decided to wipe us out. So it is surprisingly limited, and this limitation can only be exploited to an extent. But it is not immaterial in terms of needing to be understood, I don't think, and s a conceptualization of the elements in willpower that do not rationally need to be usurped, such as food choices.

But, that's just my two-cent musings for the past twenty minutes.

Even though my will said "no", my preparation was good, my body strained and strained, my movements quick as possible, my timing better than normal- I still didn't make it to the bathroom in time. I'd punch the guy who predetermined that.

my being here is a direct result. of my free will my own actions... this site being in existence.. is not in my control.. but never the less.. it exists..
now if I was to meet somebody here..
and they were here because of their own free will.. their own actions..
. and out of all the people on this site.
we meet and fall in love... have children and those children have children...
... myself being here at this time.
herself being here at this time.
then the two of us meeting..
. I believe that is predetermined..
. but that would mean this site..
was made just for our benefit..
..hmm... so therefore it is all about me all the time...lmao...jk

Basically if we invented a computer or whatever that could accurately predict chemical reactions and we knew all the molecules in an area we could see the past and future to a degree based on the reactions. The ability to see the past and future would be limited by the computers power and amount/area of data. It would be interesting to see if there were anomalies in the data.

Free will and consciousness are illusions. We are a series of chemical reactions. Saying we have free will is like giving someone drugs then expecting them to act normal. If you were put in the body and same environment as the worst person on earth who was doing terrible things you would have the same chemical reactions and do exactly the same thing as they would.

Everything happens as it is supposed to happen whether by free will or not. If by free will, it was still supposed to happen that way, otherwise, it wouldn't have happened. Likewise, if it was not by free will, it was still supposed to happen and your actions determine the outcome. JMHO