Topic: And even more good news!
TBRich's photo
Thu 01/02/14 08:14 PM
One man who is out to open many old "secrets" in the Catholic church is Pope Francis. Some of the beliefs that are held in the church but contrary to the loving nature of God are now being set aside by the Pope who was recently name The Man of The Year by TIME Magazine.....

In his latest revelations, Pope Francis said:

"Through humility, soul searching, and prayerful contemplation we have gained a new understanding of certain dogmas. The church no longer believes in a literal hell where people suffer. This doctrine is incompatible with the infinite love of God. God is not a judge but a friend and a lover of humanity. God seeks not to condemn but only to embrace. Like the fable of Adam and Eve, we see hell as a literary device. Hell is merely a metaphor for the isolated soul, which like all souls ultimately will be united in love with God.”
In a shocking speech that is reverberating across the world, Pope Francis declared that:


“All religions are true, because they are true in the hearts of all those who believe in them. What other kind of truth is there? In the past, the church has been harsh on those it deemed morally wrong or sinful. Today, we no longer judge. Like a loving father, we never condemn our children. Our church is big enough for heterosexuals and homosexuals, for the pro-life and the pro-choice! For conservatives and liberals, even communists are welcome and have joined us. We all love and worship the same God.”

In the last six months, Catholic cardinals, bishops and theologians have been deliberating in the Vatican City, in discussing the future of the church and redefining long-held Catholic doctrines and dogmas. The Third Vatican Council, is the largest and most important since the Second Vatican Council was concluded in 1962.
Pope Francis convened the new council to “finally finish the work of the Second Vatican Council.”
The Third Vatican Council concluded with Pope Francis announcing that...

Catholicism is now a “modern and reasonable religion, which has undergone evolutionary changes. The time has come to abandon all intolerance. We must recognize that religious truth evolves and changes. Truth is not absolute or set in stone. Even atheists acknowledge the divine. Through acts of love and charity the atheist acknowledges God as well, and redeems his own soul, becoming an active participant in the redemption of humanity.”

One statement in the Pope’s speech has sent traditionalists into a fit of confusion and hysteria...
“God is changing and evolving as we are, For God lives in us and in our hearts. When we spread love and kindness in the world, we touch our own divinity and recognize it. The Bible is a beautiful holy book, but like all great and ancient works, some passages are outdated. Some even call for intolerance or judgement. The time has come to see these verses as later interpolations, contrary to the message of love and truth, which otherwise radiates through scripture. In accordance with our new understanding, we will begin to ordain women as cardinals, bishops and priests. In the future, it is my hope that we will have a woman pope one day. Let no door be closed to women that is open to men!”
A few cardinals in the Catholic church are against Pope Francis' latest declarations. Watch out for the report.


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Thu 01/02/14 08:50 PM

One man who is out to open many old "secrets" in the Catholic church is Pope Francis. Some of the beliefs that are held in the church but contrary to the loving nature of God are now being set aside by the Pope who was recently name The Man of The Year by TIME Magazine.....

In his latest revelations, Pope Francis said:

"Through humility, soul searching, and prayerful contemplation we have gained a new understanding of certain dogmas. The church no longer believes in a literal hell where people suffer. This doctrine is incompatible with the infinite love of God. God is not a judge but a friend and a lover of humanity. God seeks not to condemn but only to embrace. Like the fable of Adam and Eve, we see hell as a literary device. Hell is merely a metaphor for the isolated soul, which like all souls ultimately will be united in love with God.”
In a shocking speech that is reverberating across the world, Pope Francis declared that:


“All religions are true, because they are true in the hearts of all those who believe in them. What other kind of truth is there? In the past, the church has been harsh on those it deemed morally wrong or sinful. Today, we no longer judge. Like a loving father, we never condemn our children. Our church is big enough for heterosexuals and homosexuals, for the pro-life and the pro-choice! For conservatives and liberals, even communists are welcome and have joined us. We all love and worship the same God.”

In the last six months, Catholic cardinals, bishops and theologians have been deliberating in the Vatican City, in discussing the future of the church and redefining long-held Catholic doctrines and dogmas. The Third Vatican Council, is the largest and most important since the Second Vatican Council was concluded in 1962.
Pope Francis convened the new council to “finally finish the work of the Second Vatican Council.”
The Third Vatican Council concluded with Pope Francis announcing that...

Catholicism is now a “modern and reasonable religion, which has undergone evolutionary changes. The time has come to abandon all intolerance. We must recognize that religious truth evolves and changes. Truth is not absolute or set in stone. Even atheists acknowledge the divine. Through acts of love and charity the atheist acknowledges God as well, and redeems his own soul, becoming an active participant in the redemption of humanity.”

One statement in the Pope’s speech has sent traditionalists into a fit of confusion and hysteria...
“God is changing and evolving as we are, For God lives in us and in our hearts. When we spread love and kindness in the world, we touch our own divinity and recognize it. The Bible is a beautiful holy book, but like all great and ancient works, some passages are outdated. Some even call for intolerance or judgement. The time has come to see these verses as later interpolations, contrary to the message of love and truth, which otherwise radiates through scripture. In accordance with our new understanding, we will begin to ordain women as cardinals, bishops and priests. In the future, it is my hope that we will have a woman pope one day. Let no door be closed to women that is open to men!”
A few cardinals in the Catholic church are against Pope Francis' latest declarations. Watch out for the report.


Copyright © 2013 Diversity Chronicle All Rights Reserved.




Sounds like a man seeking Peace with the world. Peace, Peace when their is no Peace.

msharmony's photo
Thu 01/02/14 10:41 PM
Edited by msharmony on Thu 01/02/14 10:43 PM
Catholicism the religion of 'its all good'

however you live and whatever you do,, we will see you in Heaven,,,


,,,,,,interesting changes,,,

but I have a question, if God doesn't judge or condemn ? what is the need for Popes or any other 'religious' leaders?

markymoh30's photo
Fri 01/03/14 08:37 AM
:wink:

TBRich's photo
Fri 01/03/14 08:54 AM

Catholicism the religion of 'its all good'

however you live and whatever you do,, we will see you in Heaven,,,


,,,,,,interesting changes,,,

but I have a question, if God doesn't judge or condemn ? what is the need for Popes or any other 'religious' leaders?


I am sorry I do not understand. Are you saying that your belief is that religious leaders' role is to judge and condemn? Is that the purpose of religion?

Conrad_73's photo
Fri 01/03/14 08:57 AM
yep,all is good as long it is under the enlightened Leadership of Rome!laugh

msharmony's photo
Fri 01/03/14 09:47 AM
Edited by msharmony on Fri 01/03/14 09:48 AM


Catholicism the religion of 'its all good'

however you live and whatever you do,, we will see you in Heaven,,,


,,,,,,interesting changes,,,

but I have a question, if God doesn't judge or condemn ? what is the need for Popes or any other 'religious' leaders?


I am sorry I do not understand. Are you saying that your belief is that religious leaders' role is to judge and condemn? Is that the purpose of religion?


no, I think they are to guide and teach on Gods Word,, but if Gods Word is just,, 'I wont judge anything, have a happy life and I will see you in heaven'


what is needed with a guide or an instructor?

metalwing's photo
Fri 01/03/14 09:49 AM
I'm not a Catholic. It sounds a bit like a political party trying to be a "one size fits all" to win all elections.

msharmony's photo
Fri 01/03/14 09:57 AM

I'm not a Catholic. It sounds a bit like a political party trying to be a "one size fits all" to win all elections.



my thoughts exactly,,, but IM not catholic either, I kind of felt it was dangerous to have a religion that idolizes any living man,, like they seem to the Pope,,,,,

IF there was an anti Christ, seems that would be the best position for them to get themselves into,,,,,,,

TBRich's photo
Fri 01/03/14 10:13 AM



Catholicism the religion of 'its all good'

however you live and whatever you do,, we will see you in Heaven,,,


,,,,,,interesting changes,,,

but I have a question, if God doesn't judge or condemn ? what is the need for Popes or any other 'religious' leaders?


I am sorry I do not understand. Are you saying that your belief is that religious leaders' role is to judge and condemn? Is that the purpose of religion?


no, I think they are to guide and teach on Gods Word,, but if Gods Word is just,, 'I wont judge anything, have a happy life and I will see you in heaven'


what is needed with a guide or an instructor?


In fact, it says exactly that in Isaiah, perhaps you should reread your holy book. I am not a Catholic or Xian either for that matter, but I did study Theology for Pastoral Counseling credentials. Religion is to offer hope to life and a guide to living happily or "more abundantly" not under a yoke (did not someone, give me your yoke those who are heavily burdened?)

msharmony's photo
Fri 01/03/14 10:30 AM




Catholicism the religion of 'its all good'

however you live and whatever you do,, we will see you in Heaven,,,


,,,,,,interesting changes,,,

but I have a question, if God doesn't judge or condemn ? what is the need for Popes or any other 'religious' leaders?


I am sorry I do not understand. Are you saying that your belief is that religious leaders' role is to judge and condemn? Is that the purpose of religion?


no, I think they are to guide and teach on Gods Word,, but if Gods Word is just,, 'I wont judge anything, have a happy life and I will see you in heaven'


what is needed with a guide or an instructor?


In fact, it says exactly that in Isaiah, perhaps you should reread your holy book. I am not a Catholic or Xian either for that matter, but I did study Theology for Pastoral Counseling credentials. Religion is to offer hope to life and a guide to living happily or "more abundantly" not under a yoke (did not someone, give me your yoke those who are heavily burdened?)



whatever the interpretations that were concluded in your class ,,, that's all good

but it really changes nothing about what my opinion is regarding an 'its all good' approach to teaching about God and his judgment ,


or in this case, absence of any judgment,,,

TBRich's photo
Fri 01/03/14 11:20 AM





Catholicism the religion of 'its all good'

however you live and whatever you do,, we will see you in Heaven,,,


,,,,,,interesting changes,,,

but I have a question, if God doesn't judge or condemn ? what is the need for Popes or any other 'religious' leaders?


I am sorry I do not understand. Are you saying that your belief is that religious leaders' role is to judge and condemn? Is that the purpose of religion?


no, I think they are to guide and teach on Gods Word,, but if Gods Word is just,, 'I wont judge anything, have a happy life and I will see you in heaven'


what is needed with a guide or an instructor?


In fact, it says exactly that in Isaiah, perhaps you should reread your holy book. I am not a Catholic or Xian either for that matter, but I did study Theology for Pastoral Counseling credentials. Religion is to offer hope to life and a guide to living happily or "more abundantly" not under a yoke (did not someone, give me your yoke those who are heavily burdened?)



whatever the interpretations that were concluded in your class ,,, that's all good

but it really changes nothing about what my opinion is regarding an 'its all good' approach to teaching about God and his judgment ,


or in this case, absence of any judgment,,,



No one said "its all good" that must be your interpretation. >Insert snarky funny comment here< remove because it may offend< How then do you interpret the following:

Isaiah 54:9

For this is like the waters of Noah to Me; For as I have sworn that the waters of Noah would no longer cover the earth. So have I sworn that I would not be angry with you, and rebuke you. For the mountains will depart and the hills be removed, but My kindness shall not depart from from you. Nor shall my covenant of peace removed , says the Lord, who has mercy on you.

msharmony's photo
Fri 01/03/14 11:30 AM
Edited by msharmony on Fri 01/03/14 11:33 AM
I Interpret it to represent Gods covenant with ISRAEL,,,

in the old covenant, before Jesus sacrifice which eliminated jew and gentile and made all on equal ground,,,

TBRich's photo
Fri 01/03/14 12:20 PM

I Interpret it to represent Gods covenant with ISRAEL,,,

in the old covenant, before Jesus sacrifice which eliminated jew and gentile and made all on equal ground,,,


Interesting, but I still do not follow the logic. If they are equal, do not the promises for one apply to the other? Does Jesus not quote the Noahide code when he commands you to love one another? Are not such attitudes there from the beginning? I think Miles put it simply when he said there is no peace; does faith not offer guidelines to peace in one's heart? Instead of judgement and condemnation?

msharmony's photo
Fri 01/03/14 12:27 PM


I Interpret it to represent Gods covenant with ISRAEL,,,

in the old covenant, before Jesus sacrifice which eliminated jew and gentile and made all on equal ground,,,


Interesting, but I still do not follow the logic. If they are equal, do not the promises for one apply to the other? Does Jesus not quote the Noahide code when he commands you to love one another? Are not such attitudes there from the beginning? I think Miles put it simply when he said there is no peace; does faith not offer guidelines to peace in one's heart? Instead of judgement and condemnation?



a lot of random questions here,,lol,, but here we go

people are EQUALLY Accountable,, they are not ranked by their religious label or given preference somehow because of it

we are to love one another, which has little to do with whether we face consequences or are held accountable by authority, including God

Its not a new or uncommon philosophy to love each other

peace in ones heart is very subjective based upon the person,, some can have a peace in their heart commiting the most atrocious things against others

faith does not offer guidelines, faith is a personal and emotional interaction with the unknown

because we cannot judge and condemn each other, our creator can , will, and does

and when or if we are aware of that judgement we can then be aware of the hows and whys of our choices, and the choices of others, as well as their potential consequence,,,

without It involving judgment or condemnation of the PERSON

I can definitely share with my child that if they drive more than 30 mles westward on the mountain top they will fall off,, if I have myself been made aware the mountain ends there

I would not be CONDEMNING them or JUDGING them and I would be, out of love, trying to ADVISE them of the consequences and seeking to give them more information to make a safer choice,,

TBRich's photo
Fri 01/03/14 04:13 PM



I Interpret it to represent Gods covenant with ISRAEL,,,

in the old covenant, before Jesus sacrifice which eliminated jew and gentile and made all on equal ground,,,


Interesting, but I still do not follow the logic. If they are equal, do not the promises for one apply to the other? Does Jesus not quote the Noahide code when he commands you to love one another? Are not such attitudes there from the beginning? I think Miles put it simply when he said there is no peace; does faith not offer guidelines to peace in one's heart? Instead of judgement and condemnation?



a lot of random questions here,,lol,, but here we go

people are EQUALLY Accountable,, they are not ranked by their religious label or given preference somehow because of it

we are to love one another, which has little to do with whether we face consequences or are held accountable by authority, including God

Its not a new or uncommon philosophy to love each other

peace in ones heart is very subjective based upon the person,, some can have a peace in their heart commiting the most atrocious things against others

faith does not offer guidelines, faith is a personal and emotional interaction with the unknown

because we cannot judge and condemn each other, our creator can , will, and does

and when or if we are aware of that judgement we can then be aware of the hows and whys of our choices, and the choices of others, as well as their potential consequence,,,

without It involving judgment or condemnation of the PERSON

I can definitely share with my child that if they drive more than 30 mles westward on the mountain top they will fall off,, if I have myself been made aware the mountain ends there

I would not be CONDEMNING them or JUDGING them and I would be, out of love, trying to ADVISE them of the consequences and seeking to give them more information to make a safer choice,,


Yes, we will held accountable, but for what? For following arcane dogmatic interpretations, such as, the curse of Ham means Black people are to be enslaved? Even though if you actually read the text, it is Shem who is cursed. Or to follow the given commandments of which there are only two: 1. Love the Lord thy g-d 2. Love one another.

Interesting how people can read the same text and interpret it so many different ways.

TBRich's photo
Fri 01/03/14 04:13 PM



I Interpret it to represent Gods covenant with ISRAEL,,,

in the old covenant, before Jesus sacrifice which eliminated jew and gentile and made all on equal ground,,,


Interesting, but I still do not follow the logic. If they are equal, do not the promises for one apply to the other? Does Jesus not quote the Noahide code when he commands you to love one another? Are not such attitudes there from the beginning? I think Miles put it simply when he said there is no peace; does faith not offer guidelines to peace in one's heart? Instead of judgement and condemnation?



a lot of random questions here,,lol,, but here we go

people are EQUALLY Accountable,, they are not ranked by their religious label or given preference somehow because of it

we are to love one another, which has little to do with whether we face consequences or are held accountable by authority, including God

Its not a new or uncommon philosophy to love each other

peace in ones heart is very subjective based upon the person,, some can have a peace in their heart commiting the most atrocious things against others

faith does not offer guidelines, faith is a personal and emotional interaction with the unknown

because we cannot judge and condemn each other, our creator can , will, and does

and when or if we are aware of that judgement we can then be aware of the hows and whys of our choices, and the choices of others, as well as their potential consequence,,,

without It involving judgment or condemnation of the PERSON

I can definitely share with my child that if they drive more than 30 mles westward on the mountain top they will fall off,, if I have myself been made aware the mountain ends there

I would not be CONDEMNING them or JUDGING them and I would be, out of love, trying to ADVISE them of the consequences and seeking to give them more information to make a safer choice,,


Yes, we will held accountable, but for what? For following arcane dogmatic interpretations, such as, the curse of Ham means Black people are to be enslaved? Even though if you actually read the text, it is Shem who is cursed. Or to follow the given commandments of which there are only two: 1. Love the Lord thy g-d 2. Love one another.

Interesting how people can read the same text and interpret it so many different ways.

msharmony's photo
Fri 01/03/14 04:21 PM




I Interpret it to represent Gods covenant with ISRAEL,,,

in the old covenant, before Jesus sacrifice which eliminated jew and gentile and made all on equal ground,,,


Interesting, but I still do not follow the logic. If they are equal, do not the promises for one apply to the other? Does Jesus not quote the Noahide code when he commands you to love one another? Are not such attitudes there from the beginning? I think Miles put it simply when he said there is no peace; does faith not offer guidelines to peace in one's heart? Instead of judgement and condemnation?



a lot of random questions here,,lol,, but here we go

people are EQUALLY Accountable,, they are not ranked by their religious label or given preference somehow because of it

we are to love one another, which has little to do with whether we face consequences or are held accountable by authority, including God

Its not a new or uncommon philosophy to love each other

peace in ones heart is very subjective based upon the person,, some can have a peace in their heart commiting the most atrocious things against others

faith does not offer guidelines, faith is a personal and emotional interaction with the unknown

because we cannot judge and condemn each other, our creator can , will, and does

and when or if we are aware of that judgement we can then be aware of the hows and whys of our choices, and the choices of others, as well as their potential consequence,,,

without It involving judgment or condemnation of the PERSON

I can definitely share with my child that if they drive more than 30 mles westward on the mountain top they will fall off,, if I have myself been made aware the mountain ends there

I would not be CONDEMNING them or JUDGING them and I would be, out of love, trying to ADVISE them of the consequences and seeking to give them more information to make a safer choice,,


Yes, we will held accountable, but for what? For following arcane dogmatic interpretations, such as, the curse of Ham means Black people are to be enslaved? Even though if you actually read the text, it is Shem who is cursed. Or to follow the given commandments of which there are only two: 1. Love the Lord thy g-d 2. Love one another.

Interesting how people can read the same text and interpret it so many different ways.


it is interesting indeed, but right will be right, independent of individual interpretation

all we can do is the BEST we can do, but we should do it with the caution that consequences and judgment will be imminent,,,,


even in those commandments you include, there are other things that are attached to them

like, a man cant CLAIM to love me, even if he believes he does,, and beat me everyday, or have a string of mistresses and expect that merely LOVING Me will mean he has no consequences,,,

TBRich's photo
Fri 01/03/14 04:39 PM





I Interpret it to represent Gods covenant with ISRAEL,,,

in the old covenant, before Jesus sacrifice which eliminated jew and gentile and made all on equal ground,,,


Interesting, but I still do not follow the logic. If they are equal, do not the promises for one apply to the other? Does Jesus not quote the Noahide code when he commands you to love one another? Are not such attitudes there from the beginning? I think Miles put it simply when he said there is no peace; does faith not offer guidelines to peace in one's heart? Instead of judgement and condemnation?



a lot of random questions here,,lol,, but here we go

people are EQUALLY Accountable,, they are not ranked by their religious label or given preference somehow because of it

we are to love one another, which has little to do with whether we face consequences or are held accountable by authority, including God

Its not a new or uncommon philosophy to love each other

peace in ones heart is very subjective based upon the person,, some can have a peace in their heart commiting the most atrocious things against others

faith does not offer guidelines, faith is a personal and emotional interaction with the unknown

because we cannot judge and condemn each other, our creator can , will, and does

and when or if we are aware of that judgement we can then be aware of the hows and whys of our choices, and the choices of others, as well as their potential consequence,,,

without It involving judgment or condemnation of the PERSON

I can definitely share with my child that if they drive more than 30 mles westward on the mountain top they will fall off,, if I have myself been made aware the mountain ends there

I would not be CONDEMNING them or JUDGING them and I would be, out of love, trying to ADVISE them of the consequences and seeking to give them more information to make a safer choice,,


Yes, we will held accountable, but for what? For following arcane dogmatic interpretations, such as, the curse of Ham means Black people are to be enslaved? Even though if you actually read the text, it is Shem who is cursed. Or to follow the given commandments of which there are only two: 1. Love the Lord thy g-d 2. Love one another.

Interesting how people can read the same text and interpret it so many different ways.


it is interesting indeed, but right will be right, independent of individual interpretation

all we can do is the BEST we can do, but we should do it with the caution that consequences and judgment will be imminent,,,,


even in those commandments you include, there are other things that are attached to them

like, a man cant CLAIM to love me, even if he believes he does,, and beat me everyday, or have a string of mistresses and expect that merely LOVING Me will mean he has no consequences,,,


Gee sorry if you had bad experiences, we have all had them, hopefully they don't prevent you from future relations

msharmony's photo
Fri 01/03/14 04:45 PM
Edited by msharmony on Fri 01/03/14 04:46 PM






I Interpret it to represent Gods covenant with ISRAEL,,,

in the old covenant, before Jesus sacrifice which eliminated jew and gentile and made all on equal ground,,,


Interesting, but I still do not follow the logic. If they are equal, do not the promises for one apply to the other? Does Jesus not quote the Noahide code when he commands you to love one another? Are not such attitudes there from the beginning? I think Miles put it simply when he said there is no peace; does faith not offer guidelines to peace in one's heart? Instead of judgement and condemnation?



a lot of random questions here,,lol,, but here we go

people are EQUALLY Accountable,, they are not ranked by their religious label or given preference somehow because of it

we are to love one another, which has little to do with whether we face consequences or are held accountable by authority, including God

Its not a new or uncommon philosophy to love each other

peace in ones heart is very subjective based upon the person,, some can have a peace in their heart commiting the most atrocious things against others

faith does not offer guidelines, faith is a personal and emotional interaction with the unknown

because we cannot judge and condemn each other, our creator can , will, and does

and when or if we are aware of that judgement we can then be aware of the hows and whys of our choices, and the choices of others, as well as their potential consequence,,,

without It involving judgment or condemnation of the PERSON

I can definitely share with my child that if they drive more than 30 mles westward on the mountain top they will fall off,, if I have myself been made aware the mountain ends there

I would not be CONDEMNING them or JUDGING them and I would be, out of love, trying to ADVISE them of the consequences and seeking to give them more information to make a safer choice,,


Yes, we will held accountable, but for what? For following arcane dogmatic interpretations, such as, the curse of Ham means Black people are to be enslaved? Even though if you actually read the text, it is Shem who is cursed. Or to follow the given commandments of which there are only two: 1. Love the Lord thy g-d 2. Love one another.

Interesting how people can read the same text and interpret it so many different ways.


it is interesting indeed, but right will be right, independent of individual interpretation

all we can do is the BEST we can do, but we should do it with the caution that consequences and judgment will be imminent,,,,


even in those commandments you include, there are other things that are attached to them

like, a man cant CLAIM to love me, even if he believes he does,, and beat me everyday, or have a string of mistresses and expect that merely LOVING Me will mean he has no consequences,,,


Gee sorry if you had bad experiences, we have all had them, hopefully they don't prevent you from future relations



nah, I wouldnt be with anyone who BEAT me everyday, thats a pure hypothetical

and I doubt they would come near me very long either,,, our family is tight that way,,,

the adultery has happened, but I never did expect perfection from anyone,, and I always accepted the reality of action and reaction, or choice and consequence