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Topic: Benoit Muder may have been caused by Brain Damage
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Wed 09/05/07 08:43 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,295794,00.html

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Wed 09/05/07 09:18 AM
Wow.

This is something else and new. Makes me wonder.

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Wed 09/05/07 10:21 AM
why would it make you wonder???

the use of steroids and their risks is public knowledge...

the physical abuse to the head and body that is an occupational hazzard of this profession is devastating.
and not compatible with health and well being.


google ..right frontal lobe injury.... hell for that matter look up head trauma and repeated head trauma...
cranial osteopathy is my specialty.... there is no way someone can take this kind of abuse and remain stable and healthy.

they're just a time bomb...


i don't come in here to talk shop, so if anyone REALLY DOES WONDER...

THE INFO IS OUT THERE.

your sons that want to use these things should be heavily educated and warned of the health risks and long term damage steroids will cause.

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Wed 09/05/07 10:46 AM
I wonder where the people who were saying "I hope Chris Beniot burns in hell" went?

bl8ant,

You have to keep in mind that not everyone is as smart and educated as you are. Personally, I wonder how many wrestlers will rethink their careers, once they realize this sort of thing is a possiblity. My guess would be none, it's male nature to assume that we can somehow beat the curve. But it might cause some women to think twice or outright refuse to marry someone involved in this form of entertainment, they don't suffer from the testosterone fueled feeling of superiority that some men experiance.

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Wed 09/05/07 11:28 AM
spider,

but wouldn't anyone in this field , under a "doctor's" care and supervision HAVE to be informed , even basically about the risks involved???

certainly there are enough stats public enough, to make any young man seek information about his ideas on a choice like this?

it does not taks a rocket scientist to know that too many head wounds makes you punchy..it is common knowledge in the field of contact sports.

i find it hard to accept this level of ignorance when so much information is so readily available in this time we are living in. From the media to what we can access by ourselves...

he knew the signals long before he got to this place, and because his brain was physically deteriorating he was incapable of acting on it...it appears to me, the greed involved in driving a carreer like his , and all the people around him that capitalized off his success have a HUGE hand in the responsibility for this horrendous and tragic scenario.....i am pretty sure his son's autism was also related to Benoit's use of these steroids,
and that his whole hormonal imbalance affected his sexual virility as well. That and the physical trauma is a certain recipe for disaster.....

it's awful that he was taken advantage of , but there is a sort of poetic justice in it if you look at the big picture....


live by the sword die by the sword....but there are HUGE ADVANTAGES to be learned and gleaned from this whole situation...

this should be the poster child for these kind of barbaric and brutal sports that have nothing to do with strength and power, not really,brokenheart

and for the accountability of the people that distribute these drugs and to the management of these athletes and for the education of our young men ..our sons and daughters, raising them with a healthy self respect and respect for marvelous and extraordinary and outstanding body that we are born with. to cherish that and grow up with an awareness of what their bodies are really all about.

seriously i feel strongly that children should be introduced to physiology and anatomy and physics as early as possible , BECAUSE it is so amazing and fundamental to better choices on sooooooo many levels...it's common sense really!!flowerforyou

what ever it takes to wake people up to these dangers and useless endeavours....the Benoit family is just collateral damage unless you all see something constructive from this horror and take a lesson.:cry:

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Wed 09/05/07 05:04 PM
What's amazing is the number of REAL injuries from a "Fake" sport is staggering. The number of WWE wrestlers that have missed around one year due to neck surgery alone is mind-boggling. What's interesting is the fact that since about 2000, the number of wrestler serious injuries in 7 years is greater than serious injuries to wrestlers prior to 2000. In other words, more serious injuries occured in the last 7 years than they did in the 100 years prior to 2000. That's astounding enough. Add to that that there are less full-time wrestlers today than at any time in history. Those guys wrestling at your local armory? They're lucky if they wrestle twice a month. Those guys all have full time jobs, and mainly wrestle out of love for the business. In America, other than WWE, TNA, and a few lucky indy guys that can always pick up work, there's less than 250 full-time wrestlers in America today.

If anyone's interested in reading more about the real-life goings-on in the wrestling business, totally unbiased, check out :
www.wrestlingobserver.com

Editor Dave Meltzer is known as America's leading wrestling journalist today. He's provided up tp date reporting of the Congressional investigations into steroid use in wrestling and also a number of other issues.

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Wed 09/05/07 05:29 PM
i've never believed that the hits that they take are fake but it is staged with storylines that a housewife would love. i think the growth of the sport has more to do with the increase of injuries knox. it seems like they feel that they have to outdo the other guy and come up with something bigger and badder in order to keep up. it's like you need a gimmick anymore to make it.

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Wed 09/05/07 05:53 PM
I knew Chris wasn't himself! He wouldn't have done this normally, no way.

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Thu 09/06/07 04:51 AM
you mean people like ME spider??? I still believe he murdered his family due to his STEROID ABUSE and steroids WERE found in heavy amounts by the coroner. May he ROT IN HELL.

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Thu 09/06/07 06:21 AM
Barbie

If you Damage your Brain it Controls EVERY THING YOU DO there is not a Disconnect between ones Brain and ones Body.If you heard the same thing I did Benoit had SLIGHTLY elevated testosterone levels (therapeutic levels)no ANABOLIC synthesized Roides were found.

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Thu 09/06/07 06:41 AM
James 2:10
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

The ground at the foot of the cross is level; we are all equally guilty, equally loved and equally deserving of punishment. We have each broken all of the commandments, we all deserve hell. I firmly believe that to condemn anyone to hell is to condemn yourself to hell, that was what Jesus taught in Matthew 7:1-2.

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Thu 09/06/07 07:09 AM
Hey, Kingbreeze,
I think we're both coming at the answer from different directions heredrinker . Around the mid--late 90s, it seemed the art of "can you top this" really began in Wrestling. Someone did a dive off the top of a ladder, we wanted to see the next guy dive off the top of a cage. The risks became higher and higher. Chair shots were now directly to the head as opposed to the back like they used to be. Using "rubber" barbed wire is now met with chants of "bulls***" and "coward". Fans wany wrestlers to step it up and make the violence as real-life as possible.

Wrestling when I grew up(1970s) was different. Wrestlers didn't depend on crazy "highspots" like they do now. Wrestlers knew exactly how to "work" a match with the main goal of keeping the fans into it. Psychology played a big part in keeping your audience. Plus, while there were some silly gimmicks then(mummies, salt-throwing Japanese,ect.), most wrestlers "got over" via their own personalities. The storylines were much better and simpler. It was, believe it or not, much safer than it is now. Tons more full-time workers then than now, and tons less injuries then, also.

The report on Benoit's brain came in. He suffered "diminished capacity" due to repeated blows to the head. The report downplayed steroid use, but said steroids could have played a small part in the murders/suicide. If Vince McMahon thinks for one second that this lets himself and WWE off the hook, he's kidding himself. This actually makes things worse. Before, he could say that Benoit just went crazy on steroids. Now, the cause is revealed to be the cumulitave effects of his everyday job. No doubt, the Benoit situation has opened up quite a few cans of worms. Cans that not only Vince and WWE, but the entire pro wrestling world will be unable to escape from.

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Thu 09/06/07 11:39 AM
i think you're right about it now being worse for mcmahon than the issue of steroids. this makes me think of a motorcycle freestyle event i went to once. the crowd was pretty into all the stunts but when one of the riders wrecked the crowd cheered even more. there went on to be more wrecks and they seemed to get the loudest cheers. that kind of stuff makes me wonder about the people cheering and the people who keep doing it just to get the loudest cheers.

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Thu 09/06/07 02:31 PM
You're right, King,

We watch auto racing for the crashes.
We watch boxing for the knockouts.
We watch hockey for the fights.

The Michael Vick case has shown us how popular dog-fighting REALLY is in this country, especially the South.

We don't watch a political debate for a calm discussion of the issues, we watch to see a knock-down, drag-out scream-fest.

It seems these days, we really do get enjoyment from the misfortune of others. "As long as it's not me." seems to be the mantra we chant while being witness to other's downfalls.

Chris Benoit, diminished capacity or not, killed his wife and son. There's no avoiding damnation for him. But, in our insistance that these performers "raise the bar" and put themselves at higher levels of risks daily, we, as fans and/or spectators, need to accept at least some partial form of blame for making wrestling evolve into the human tragedy it's now become.

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Thu 09/06/07 10:18 PM
Knox

Rather he is Damed or not is not for any of to decide. What happed is wrong no doubt. The Brain even to most Doctors is still a mystery. It controls our actions, personality and undoubtedly Benoit with the Brain Damage purposed on Fox was a changed man and was seeing no telling what.paranoid for sure maybe delusional The only real question is without the Cranial damage would Benot have done what he did.

BYW I think I called this Shot Months Ago about the Brain Damage because of Benoit`s Flying head butt:wink:

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Fri 09/07/07 05:17 AM
brain damage CHANGES people, literally.

my husband's friend was damaged, almost to the effect of a frontal lobotomy...he then murdered his twelve-year-old niece.

while in his right mind, he'd NEVER have done such a thing...he was a completely different person before being injured.

they still executed him, even with the evidence.

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Fri 09/07/07 06:47 AM
It makes me sad to hear people hope that someone "burns in hell". I am guilty of it myself sometimes and I always regret it. Who are we to make such a decision? It is all in the hands of a being with infinite compassion and wisdom. I am convinced that those such as Chris Benoit or even Adolf Hitler will be given a second change... or rather have already thanks to the sacrifice made by my lord savior Jesus Christ, but again it isn't MY choice, or any of yours.

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Fri 09/07/07 08:06 AM
Could also be a good way to try to take attention away for the steroid thing. Wrestlers chose the occupation & the hazards that go with it, as we all do. So the responsibility for what happens still goes back to the person that preforms the act.
I believe in being responsible for what I do 7 expect the same from others.

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Fri 09/07/07 09:53 AM
Sage


I agree Benoit is o Blame without a doubt.He choose to Perform those Maneuvers basically Crippling himself. And as a Result Changed him as A man. I just think this should be looked at a case of Mental Derangement due to Brain Damage instead of Roid Rage Benoit was Getting treated to reverse the effects of what he had done to his body with the Roids. What happened is the man Smahsed his head to many times and turned into a Psychotic As a result of this I think MORE than testing Wrestlers need to Have Brain Scans done every three Months more often if a Concussion is received while preforming.

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Fri 09/07/07 02:48 PM
Oh sure, you never hear of the hundreds of cases during any give week where some wrestler in the world takes a "sick bump" and turns out just fine. Then there are injuries that do not involve the head at all. Then the concussions that are not serious or at the most only end the wrestler's career.

Do you have any idea how much monthly brain scans will cost? WWE would be the only company that could afford it, and even they might not be able to.

Like it or not, NO ONE saw this coming and in a sense Benoit is to blame for putting himself in a position to potentially go crazy and kill his family, but this was such a freak occurrence that there is no reason to condemn every wrestler. If Chris knew this would happen, he would've retired and sought different work, his mistake, but to treat THE REAL CHRIS BENOIT like somekind of monster is just unfair in my opinion.

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