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So, there are so many interpretations of what he said, and multiple instances of using his name for support of views held in papers. But what did he really mean half the time. The Einstein I know from reading his own words, is one very capable of the creative type of genius that it takes to put forth language with ambiguity. So most often I take his words as not this or that, but shades of grey inbewteen. For example
"People like us, who believe in physics, know that the distinction between past, present, and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion" When a life long friend died and he wrote the wife about following after and not being too concerned about it. Most people take it to mean that time is an illusion. This is what the physics of the time, and in majority today as well, support. Yet there is that stubborn part. TO me, it means that time is an illusion, like a ghost labeled time with a board around its neck, but it won't go away. Taken at face value, this is much the same, but what I interpret it as is the illusion of time must itself go away and be replaced by a different view, when the community and physics environment demands it at a later era. And I think it has arrived. So post his sayings here and roominate on what he meant. A brief statement about the context is desirable, so readers unfamiliar with the quotes now in what situation it was said. But don't MLA or APA cite it or anything. I look forward to hearing interpretations of what the spendid fellow and human being had to say. |
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“A human being is a part of the whole called by us universe, a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feeling as something separated from the rest, a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty.”
― Albert Einstein I think that this quote is remarkable. I try to embrace more than my immediate circle, and think that his message is quite clear. No ambiguity here, or explicit doctrine. I heard Sadhguru Jaggi say just the same thing. I don't think the spritual mindset should be limited in the public minds eye to just holy figures, though it could be argued Einstein was in a certain way. |
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So, there are so many interpretations of what he said, and multiple instances of using his name for support of views held in papers. But what did he really mean half the time. The Einstein I know from reading his own words, is one very capable of the creative type of genius that it takes to put forth language with ambiguity. So most often I take his words as not this or that, but shades of grey inbewteen. For example "People like us, who believe in physics, know that the distinction between past, present, and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion" When a life long friend died and he wrote the wife about following after and not being too concerned about it. Most people take it to mean that time is an illusion. This is what the physics of the time, and in majority today as well, support. Yet there is that stubborn part. TO me, it means that time is an illusion, like a ghost labeled time with a board around its neck, but it won't go away. Taken at face value, this is much the same, but what I interpret it as is the illusion of time must itself go away and be replaced by a different view, when the community and physics environment demands it at a later era. And I think it has arrived. So post his sayings here and roominate on what he meant. A brief statement about the context is desirable, so readers unfamiliar with the quotes now in what situation it was said. But don't MLA or APA cite it or anything. I look forward to hearing interpretations of what the spendid fellow and human being had to say. Well, he wouldn't be the first fellow i would approach for time talk. Time is a constant of every place. It is not the same IN every place. So this makes it seem like a variable to the outsiders perception. When you jump, you're never going to be able to land back in the exact time period in which you left. This means you will be continuing your activities along in a different reality. Even when you jump back (say 5 years), you may see and experience yourself but it will not be you. That very reality however familiar it may seem, is not YOUR past. It is a simple flow of construction and deconstruction within a matrix, regardless of your position. "the persistent illusion is his own perception of experience" Doubly so when one wishes to inact coitus on ones own cousin and her daughters. but hey, hes him and im me. ;) |
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You're correct that the time at place is different for different places, which also entails that two people in that same immediate region would agree on the time, unlike many who use the idea as a scientific extension to the claim that all that is depends on the person. Not true in special relativity! To each is not their own, but heh, that's strictly in the scientific scheme.
That's an interesting view of reality. I remember walking in the fields behind a wooded house when I was young and in highschool and jumping up to feel weighless when falling. I was convinced that I'd get new insight in that moment, one which could never be turned back. I would squint up at the sky or a particular star and jump until my legs said return in the long hours of the lit up night. Such wonders amongst the dark there was! And about his couzin and neice, and the fact that this is a dating site, I'll venture to the point of saying give the man props. Genetically there is an increase of about 3% of birth defects, the same for a mother being over 40, or various other statistics, I'm sure. And he was democratic about it. He left the marriage arrangements up to the woman, he would let them decide. The cousin left it to her daughter and the daughter thought through it in a letter to a friend. They continued to have a strong relationship after, which wouldn't be the case if he was insistant. And face it, there is nothing wrong with either, besides opposition to social constriants. |
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"There is no logical way to the discovery of elemental laws. There is only the way of intuition, which is helped by a feeling for the order lying behind the appearance."
I sometimes think that the order was what was left by the universe through time expansive. Now I'm thinking that this could reach beyod the current epoch of our universe, and the order that is perserved to some degree, has to have some deeper meaning behind it. Such points of thought is where words and symbolic language breaks done. It is clear that the inner meaning of the world, or a person or anything in totality, has to be come to grips with by a new type of understanding that the current set up. He would point that such thinking is fanciful and avoidance is cautioned. But had he been alive today, who knows how his thought would have been augmented by current developments. I like to think that he would continue to peek further into and behind the appearance given the opportunity to exist in body today. |
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"There is no logical way to the discovery of elemental laws. There is only the way of intuition, which is helped by a feeling for the order lying behind the appearance." I sometimes think that the order was what was left by the universe through time expansive. Now I'm thinking that this could reach beyod the current epoch of our universe, and the order that is perserved to some degree, has to have some deeper meaning behind it. Such points of thought is where words and symbolic language breaks done. It is clear that the inner meaning of the world, or a person or anything in totality, has to be come to grips with by a new type of understanding that the current set up. He would point that such thinking is fanciful and avoidance is cautioned. But had he been alive today, who knows how his thought would have been augmented by current developments. I like to think that he would continue to peek further into and behind the appearance given the opportunity to exist in body today. I think that order & chaos follow each other on opposite sides of a tumbling snowball. They are just a by-product... a state... BUT also a method, to any given reaction taking place. And of course, what 1 may see as chaos, another may see as order. |
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[ I think that order & chaos follow each other on opposite sides... And of course, what 1 may see as chaos, another may see as order. That is correct that order could have come from chaos. Even Einstein seems to acknowledge the use of the incomprehensible in his thought "My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble minds. That deeply emotional conviction of the presence of a superior reasoning power, which is revealed in the incomprehensible universe, forms my idea of God." and also another instant “Out of clutter, find simplicity. From discord, find harmony. In the middle of difficulty lies opportunity.” Which vaguely suggests that order could be found from chaos. this seems to be a good sum up of some of his views about chaos and math and language http://www.godcontention.org/index.php?qid=153 And there is another one that I can't think of well enough to find now, but in it he first said that he thought order existed, that events and reality was rational, but that off course it could be that in nature there is nothing about orderliness and it is chaos. If I find it again, I'll put it up. |
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“everything should be as simple as possible, but not simpler,”
Now I am thinking that this means that the high level, big picture overview of a theory must be conceptually easy to think about. So this part of a theory should be what everyone can understand. The next part should be too, but the "not simpler" part now seems to be the low level action of a theory, all the very basics and small things that add up to that larger than life simplicity. This bottom of a theory should provide the complete picture up top that pops out all kinds of miraculous correspondence to reality. I'm trying to get behind the exact words to expose the thoughts. Not just looking at the words emptily for a yes/no anwser to some current dilemma. This might be a decdent exercise for any comprehension of text. |
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*Momentary success carries more power of conviction for most people than reflections on principle.
So many people are deterred by their very own sense of winning off the bat, and they don't look at long term principles when searching? |
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You like the sound of your own topics by any chance. You have answered almost every one.
That was my quote and not Einstein. Wise men speak because they have something to say, fools speak because they have nothing to say. That was Plato. Think about it. I'm studying Science, Biology, Physics and Chemistry. But that doesn't mean I know what I'm talking about. Therefore I won't criticise because that would make me look like a t--t. Good luck what ever your plans for the future are. |
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So, there are so many interpretations of what he said, and multiple instances of using his name for support of views held in papers. But what did he really mean half the time. The Einstein I know from reading his own words, is one very capable of the creative type of genius that it takes to put forth language with ambiguity. So most often I take his words as not this or that, but shades of grey inbewteen. For example "People like us, who believe in physics, know that the distinction between past, present, and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion" When a life long friend died and he wrote the wife about following after and not being too concerned about it. Most people take it to mean that time is an illusion. This is what the physics of the time, and in majority today as well, support. Yet there is that stubborn part. TO me, it means that time is an illusion, like a ghost labeled time with a board around its neck, but it won't go away. Taken at face value, this is much the same, but what I interpret it as is the illusion of time must itself go away and be replaced by a different view, when the community and physics environment demands it at a later era. And I think it has arrived. So post his sayings here and roominate on what he meant. A brief statement about the context is desirable, so readers unfamiliar with the quotes now in what situation it was said. But don't MLA or APA cite it or anything. I look forward to hearing interpretations of what the spendid fellow and human being had to say. Well, he wouldn't be the first fellow i would approach for time talk. Time is a constant of every place. It is not the same IN every place. So this makes it seem like a variable to the outsiders perception. When you jump, you're never going to be able to land back in the exact time period in which you left. This means you will be continuing your activities along in a different reality. Even when you jump back (say 5 years), you may see and experience yourself but it will not be you. That very reality however familiar it may seem, is not YOUR past. It is a simple flow of construction and deconstruction within a matrix, regardless of your position. "the persistent illusion is his own perception of experience" Doubly so when one wishes to inact coitus on ones own cousin and her daughters. but hey, hes him and im me. ;) time is the same everywhere, it's just a number we use...whether the number is 3 or 25, the math is still the same |
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So, there are so many interpretations of what he said, and multiple instances of using his name for support of views held in papers. But what did he really mean half the time. The Einstein I know from reading his own words, is one very capable of the creative type of genius that it takes to put forth language with ambiguity. So most often I take his words as not this or that, but shades of grey inbewteen. For example "People like us, who believe in physics, know that the distinction between past, present, and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion" When a life long friend died and he wrote the wife about following after and not being too concerned about it. Most people take it to mean that time is an illusion. This is what the physics of the time, and in majority today as well, support. Yet there is that stubborn part. TO me, it means that time is an illusion, like a ghost labeled time with a board around its neck, but it won't go away. Taken at face value, this is much the same, but what I interpret it as is the illusion of time must itself go away and be replaced by a different view, when the community and physics environment demands it at a later era. And I think it has arrived. So post his sayings here and roominate on what he meant. A brief statement about the context is desirable, so readers unfamiliar with the quotes now in what situation it was said. But don't MLA or APA cite it or anything. I look forward to hearing interpretations of what the spendid fellow and human being had to say. Well, he wouldn't be the first fellow i would approach for time talk. Time is a constant of every place. It is not the same IN every place. So this makes it seem like a variable to the outsiders perception. When you jump, you're never going to be able to land back in the exact time period in which you left. This means you will be continuing your activities along in a different reality. Even when you jump back (say 5 years), you may see and experience yourself but it will not be you. That very reality however familiar it may seem, is not YOUR past. It is a simple flow of construction and deconstruction within a matrix, regardless of your position. "the persistent illusion is his own perception of experience" Doubly so when one wishes to inact coitus on ones own cousin and her daughters. but hey, hes him and im me. ;) time is the same everywhere, it's just a number we use...whether the number is 3 or 25, the math is still the same A man who owns one watch knows what time it is, a man who owns two is never quite sure |
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mightymoe
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Sat 02/15/14 04:32 PM
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So, there are so many interpretations of what he said, and multiple instances of using his name for support of views held in papers. But what did he really mean half the time. The Einstein I know from reading his own words, is one very capable of the creative type of genius that it takes to put forth language with ambiguity. So most often I take his words as not this or that, but shades of grey inbewteen. For example "People like us, who believe in physics, know that the distinction between past, present, and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion" When a life long friend died and he wrote the wife about following after and not being too concerned about it. Most people take it to mean that time is an illusion. This is what the physics of the time, and in majority today as well, support. Yet there is that stubborn part. TO me, it means that time is an illusion, like a ghost labeled time with a board around its neck, but it won't go away. Taken at face value, this is much the same, but what I interpret it as is the illusion of time must itself go away and be replaced by a different view, when the community and physics environment demands it at a later era. And I think it has arrived. So post his sayings here and roominate on what he meant. A brief statement about the context is desirable, so readers unfamiliar with the quotes now in what situation it was said. But don't MLA or APA cite it or anything. I look forward to hearing interpretations of what the spendid fellow and human being had to say. Well, he wouldn't be the first fellow i would approach for time talk. Time is a constant of every place. It is not the same IN every place. So this makes it seem like a variable to the outsiders perception. When you jump, you're never going to be able to land back in the exact time period in which you left. This means you will be continuing your activities along in a different reality. Even when you jump back (say 5 years), you may see and experience yourself but it will not be you. That very reality however familiar it may seem, is not YOUR past. It is a simple flow of construction and deconstruction within a matrix, regardless of your position. "the persistent illusion is his own perception of experience" Doubly so when one wishes to inact coitus on ones own cousin and her daughters. but hey, hes him and im me. ;) time is the same everywhere, it's just a number we use...whether the number is 3 or 25, the math is still the same A man who owns one watch knows what time it is, a man who owns two is never quite sure lol..good point, i'll throw one of my watches away now... |
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You like the sound of your own topics by any chance. You have answered almost every one. That was my quote and not Einstein. Wise men speak because they have something to say, fools speak because they have nothing to say. That was Plato. Think about it. I'm studying Science, Biology, Physics and Chemistry. But that doesn't mean I know what I'm talking about. Therefore I won't criticise because that would make me look like a t--t. Good luck what ever your plans for the future are. This topic I would have anyways with myself, and I post for myself so I go twice over what I encounter, so why not post it? And I think Ein said something like 'I have put a watch at every point in relative space, but do not have more than one in my own home.' So I guess his poorness or lack or luxury made him more sure in your sense. |
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here's a few about religion:
When the solution is simple, God is answering. Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the Gods. God always takes the simplest way. |
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You like the sound of your own topics by any chance. You have answered almost every one. That was my quote and not Einstein. Wise men speak because they have something to say, fools speak because they have nothing to say. That was Plato. Think about it. I'm studying Science, Biology, Physics and Chemistry. But that doesn't mean I know what I'm talking about. Therefore I won't criticise because that would make me look like a t--t. Good luck what ever your plans for the future are. This topic I would have anyways with myself, and I post for myself so I go twice over what I encounter, so why not post it? I don't blame you. I often talk to myself and argue with myelf. It's when I agree with myself that I get worried. |
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As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain, and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality.
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As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain, and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality. The whole universe and it's origins is just an educated guessing game. We only know what we have taught each other and we could be completely wrong. |
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As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain, and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality. The whole universe and it's origins is just an educated guessing game. We only know what we have taught each other and we could be completely wrong. agreed.... at least there are a few who get that... someone once said: for everything there is to know, i know that i know nothing... not sure who said it, but it is true |
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someone once said: for everything there is to know, i know that i know nothing... not sure who said it, but it is true It was Mightymoe, just now 
But yes it is true. We can't even get to the bottom of the deepest oceam on our own planet yet we kid ourselves that we know what went on billions of years ago |
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