Topic: Is Obama a dupe or a totalitarian, megalomaniacal liar?
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Tue 11/05/13 10:17 AM

Andrew P. Napolitano
Washington Times
Wed, 30 Oct 2013 20:14 CDT




When German Chancellor Angela Merkel celebrated the opening of the new U.S. Embassy in Berlin in 2008, she could not have imagined that she was blessing the workplace for the largest and most effective gaggle of American spies anywhere outside of the United States.

It seems straight out of a grade-B movie, but it has been happening for the past 11 years: The National Security Agency (NSA) has been using Mrs. Merkel as an instrument to spy on the president of the United States. We now know that the NSA has been listening to and recording her cellphone calls since 2002.

In 2008, when the new embassy opened, the NSA began using more sophisticated techniques that included not only listening, but also following her. Mrs. Merkel uses her cellphone more frequently than her landline, and she uses it to communicate with her husband and family members, the leadership of her political party, and her colleagues and officials in the German government.

She also uses her cellphone to speak with foreign leaders, among whom have been President George W. Bush and President Obama. Thus, the NSA - which Mr. Bush and Mr. Obama have unlawfully and unconstitutionally authorized to obtain and retain digital copies of all telephone conversations, texts and emails of everyone in the United States, as well as those of hundreds of millions of persons in Europe and Latin America - has been listening to the telephone calls of both American presidents whenever they have spoken with the chancellor.

One could understand the NSA's propensity to listen to the conversations of those foreign leaders who wish us ill. One would expect that the agency would do so. However, the urge to listen to the leadership of our allies serves no discernible intelligence-gathering purpose.

Rather, it fuels distrust between our nations, and in the case of Mrs. Merkel, exacerbates memories of the all-seeing and all-hearing Stasi, which was the East German version of the KGB that ruled that police state from the end of World War II until it collapsed in 1989. Mrs. Merkel was raised in East Germany, and she has a personal revulsion at the concept of omnipresent state surveillance.

Mr. Obama apparently has no such revulsion. One would think he's not happy that his own spies have been listening to him. One would expect that he would have known of this.

Not from me, says Gen. Keith Alexander, the director of the NSA, who disputed claims in the media that he told Mr. Obama of the NSA spying network in Germany last summer. Either the president knew of this and has denied it, or he is invincibly ignorant of the forces he has unleashed on us and on himself.

When Susan E. Rice, Mr. Obama's national security adviser, was confronted with all of this by her German counterpart, she first told him the White House would deny it. Then she called him to say that the White House could not deny it, but the president would deny that he personally knew of it.

How did we get here? What are the consequences of a president spying on himself? What does this mean for the rest of us?

Neither Mr. Bush nor Mr. Obama has had a strong fidelity to the Constitution. They share the views of another odd couple of presidents from opposing political parties, Teddy Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson, in that the Constitution is not the supreme law of the land as it proclaims to be, but rather a guideline that unleashes the president to do all that it does not expressly forbid him to do

In the progressive era 100 years ago, that presidential attitude brought us the Federal Reserve, the federal income tax, Prohibition, World War I, prosecutions for speech critical of the government and the beginnings of official modern government racial segregation.

That same attitude in our era has brought us the Patriot Act, which allows federal agents to write their own search warrants, government borrowing that knows no end - including the $2 trillion Mr. Bush borrowed for the war in Iraq, a country that is now less stable than before Mr. Bush invaded, and the $7 trillion Mr. Obama borrowed to redistribute - and an NSA that monitors all Americans all the time.

In the case of the NSA spying, this came about by the secret orders of Mr. Bush and Mr. Obama, animated by that perverse Roosevelt-Wilsonian view of the Constitution and not by a congressional vote after a great national debate.

Just as people change when they know they are being watched, the government changes when it knows no one can watch it. Just as we can never be ourselves when we fear that we may need to justify our most intimate thoughts to an all-knowing government, so, too, the government knows that when we cannot see what it is doing, it can do whatever it wants. It is in the nature of government to expand, not shrink. Thomas Jefferson correctly predicted that 175 years ago.

Spying on yourself, though, is truly asinine and perhaps criminal. You see, the president can officially declassify any secrets he wants, but he cannot - without official declassification - simply reveal them to NSA agents.

One can only imagine what NSA agents learned from listening to Mr. Bush and Mr. Obama as they spoke to Mrs. Merkel and 34 other friendly foreign leaders, as yet unidentified publicly.

Now we know how pervasive this NSA spying is: It not only reaches the Supreme Court, the Pentagon, the CIA, the local police and the cellphones and homes of all Americans, it reaches the Oval Office itself. Yet when the president denies that he knows of this, that denial leads to more questions.

The president claims he can start secret foreign wars using the CIA, secretly kill Americans using drones, and now secretly spy on anyone anywhere using the NSA.

Is the president an unwitting dupe to a secret rats' nest of uncontrolled government spies and killers? Or is he a megalomaniacal, totalitarian secret micromanager who lies regularly, consistently and systematically about the role of government in our lives?

Which is worse? What do we do about it?

mightymoe's photo
Tue 11/05/13 10:19 AM
I say all 3...a megalomaniacal lying, totalitarian dupe...

Conrad_73's photo
Tue 11/05/13 10:32 AM
all of the above!

JustDukkyMkII's photo
Tue 11/05/13 10:36 AM
I don't know...I'll have to reserve judgment...I haven't seen any proof that Obama's any of those things. ROTFLMAO

mightymoe's photo
Tue 11/05/13 10:46 AM

I don't know...I'll have to reserve judgment...I haven't seen any proof that Obama's any of those things. ROTFLMAO


lol, it's been on all the news channels, unlike the "plot of 9-11"...

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Tue 11/05/13 10:53 AM


I don't know...I'll have to reserve judgment...I haven't seen any proof that Obama's any of those things. ROTFLMAO


lol, it's been on all the news channels, unlike the "plot of 9-11"...


Oh c'mon...Who watches any of that MSM crap besides the sheeple?

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Tue 11/05/13 10:58 AM



I don't know...I'll have to reserve judgment...I haven't seen any proof that Obama's any of those things. ROTFLMAO


lol, it's been on all the news channels, unlike the "plot of 9-11"...


Oh c'mon...Who watches any of that MSM crap besides the sheeple?



ummm... MSM was on of the main supporters of 9/11 conspiracy theory... but i meant all the main news channels, not just one or two... i take it you saw where this article came from...

JustDukkyMkII's photo
Tue 11/05/13 11:08 AM




I don't know...I'll have to reserve judgment...I haven't seen any proof that Obama's any of those things. ROTFLMAO


lol, it's been on all the news channels, unlike the "plot of 9-11"...


Oh c'mon...Who watches any of that MSM crap besides the sheeple?



ummm... MSM was on of the main supporters of 9/11 conspiracy theory... but i meant all the main news channels, not just one or two... i take it you saw where this article came from...


What article?...Oh you mean the OP?...Who ever reads those? Too many big words if you ask me.

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Tue 11/05/13 11:14 AM





I don't know...I'll have to reserve judgment...I haven't seen any proof that Obama's any of those things. ROTFLMAO


lol, it's been on all the news channels, unlike the "plot of 9-11"...


Oh c'mon...Who watches any of that MSM crap besides the sheeple?



ummm... MSM was on of the main supporters of 9/11 conspiracy theory... but i meant all the main news channels, not just one or two... i take it you saw where this article came from...


What article?...Oh you mean the OP?...Who ever reads those? Too many big words if you ask me.


the most liberal statement ever...

JustDukkyMkII's photo
Tue 11/05/13 11:34 AM






I don't know...I'll have to reserve judgment...I haven't seen any proof that Obama's any of those things. ROTFLMAO


lol, it's been on all the news channels, unlike the "plot of 9-11"...


Oh c'mon...Who watches any of that MSM crap besides the sheeple?



ummm... MSM was on of the main supporters of 9/11 conspiracy theory... but i meant all the main news channels, not just one or two... i take it you saw where this article came from...


What article?...Oh you mean the OP?...Who ever reads those? Too many big words if you ask me.


the most liberal statement ever...


Thanks, but I thought we've already been over this "liberal" thing. I'm not a liberal. In truth, I'm not a voluntarist libertarian commie anarchist either. I'm a duck.

mightymoe's photo
Tue 11/05/13 12:18 PM







I don't know...I'll have to reserve judgment...I haven't seen any proof that Obama's any of those things. ROTFLMAO


lol, it's been on all the news channels, unlike the "plot of 9-11"...


Oh c'mon...Who watches any of that MSM crap besides the sheeple?



ummm... MSM was on of the main supporters of 9/11 conspiracy theory... but i meant all the main news channels, not just one or two... i take it you saw where this article came from...


What article?...Oh you mean the OP?...Who ever reads those? Too many big words if you ask me.


the most liberal statement ever...


Thanks, but I thought we've already been over this "liberal" thing. I'm not a liberal. In truth, I'm not a voluntarist libertarian commie anarchist either. I'm a duck.


lol, i didn't call you a liberal, i said that was the liberal statement ever...more of a comparison than anything else... i wouldn't want to insult you like that...

Troubled's photo
Tue 11/05/13 12:34 PM



What article?...Oh you mean the OP?...Who ever reads those? Too many big words if you ask me.



With all due respect, that sounds like Pelosi referencing the ACA.

Conrad_73's photo
Tue 11/05/13 12:45 PM
nothing get's by Gladys of the NSA!

laugh

mightymoe's photo
Tue 11/05/13 12:52 PM
Edited by mightymoe on Tue 11/05/13 12:52 PM






What article?...Oh you mean the OP?...Who ever reads those? Too many big words if you ask me.



With all due respect, that sounds like Pelosi referencing the ACA.


yea, well... the only reference i heard from her about the ACA was "you just have to read it to know whats in it"...