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Hey Con....is this valid? Swiss to Vote on Guaranteed $2800 Monthly Income for All Adults October 05, 2013 "Information Clearing House - In a move to combat growing pay inequality, Swiss citizens will vote on whether to give every adult in Switzerland a basic income. BERNE — Switzerland will hold a vote on whether to introduce a basic income for all adults, in a further sign of growing public activism over pay inequality since the financial crisis. A grassroots committee is calling for all adults in Switzerland to receive an unconditional income of 2,500 Swiss francs — about $2,800 — per month from the state, with the aim of providing a financial safety net for the population. Organizers submitted more than the 100,000 signatures needed to call a referendum on Friday and tipped a truckload of 8 million five-cent coins outside the parliament building in Bern, one for each person living in Switzerland. http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article36434.htm#IDComment730318181 |
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Hey Con....is this valid? Swiss to Vote on Guaranteed $2800 Monthly Income for All Adults October 05, 2013 "Information Clearing House - In a move to combat growing pay inequality, Swiss citizens will vote on whether to give every adult in Switzerland a basic income. BERNE — Switzerland will hold a vote on whether to introduce a basic income for all adults, in a further sign of growing public activism over pay inequality since the financial crisis. A grassroots committee is calling for all adults in Switzerland to receive an unconditional income of 2,500 Swiss francs — about $2,800 — per month from the state, with the aim of providing a financial safety net for the population. Organizers submitted more than the 100,000 signatures needed to call a referendum on Friday and tipped a truckload of 8 million five-cent coins outside the parliament building in Bern, one for each person living in Switzerland. http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article36434.htm#IDComment730318181 
Whether it will be voted for or against is anyone's guess! I think the Idiots ought to pay for the Cost of the Voting if it goes down the Drain as it will! If we had that Rule,some of those Dorks would think twice about bringing this kind of Garbage to a Vote by Referendum! 
You see,we also have some Horse's Patoots tryin to break the Nation! Anyone disabled,or below the Existence-Minimum is already receiving Money from the State,so WTF those Idiots want? Wonder if they ever read some of the History of the USSR! BTW,the link is broken! |
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Hey Con....is this valid? Swiss to Vote on Guaranteed $2800 Monthly Income for All Adults October 05, 2013 "Information Clearing House - In a move to combat growing pay inequality, Swiss citizens will vote on whether to give every adult in Switzerland a basic income. BERNE — Switzerland will hold a vote on whether to introduce a basic income for all adults, in a further sign of growing public activism over pay inequality since the financial crisis. A grassroots committee is calling for all adults in Switzerland to receive an unconditional income of 2,500 Swiss francs — about $2,800 — per month from the state, with the aim of providing a financial safety net for the population. Organizers submitted more than the 100,000 signatures needed to call a referendum on Friday and tipped a truckload of 8 million five-cent coins outside the parliament building in Bern, one for each person living in Switzerland. http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article36434.htm#IDComment730318181
Whether it will be voted for or against is anyone's guess! I think the Idiots ought to pay for the Cost of the Voting if it goes down the Drain as it will! If we had that Rule,some of those Dorks would think twice about bringing this kind of Garbage to a Vote by Referendum!
You see,we also have some Horse's Patoots tryin to break the Nation! Anyone disabled,or below the Existence-Minimum is already receiving Money from the State,so WTF those Idiots want? Wonder if they ever read some of the History of the USSR! BTW,the link is broken! Looks to me like Switzerland is moving to a social credit monetary system, which is a real laugh with criminal private outfits like the BIS in Basel. Everybody knows it's really the consumer who drives the economy, so it's only natural that the road to prosperity is to put more money in the hands of the people so they have money to spend. Everywhere that a guaranteed annual income was tried has worked like a charm...Until the BIS or it's lackeys had the superior economic system destroyed...usually with bombs. After all, how do you expect the slaves to do as they're told if they don't have to dance & beg for their own money? Where's the profit in that???...Pretty soon you wouldn't even need banks to lend it back to them at interest!!! |
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Conrad_73
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Hey Con....is this valid? Swiss to Vote on Guaranteed $2800 Monthly Income for All Adults October 05, 2013 "Information Clearing House - In a move to combat growing pay inequality, Swiss citizens will vote on whether to give every adult in Switzerland a basic income. BERNE — Switzerland will hold a vote on whether to introduce a basic income for all adults, in a further sign of growing public activism over pay inequality since the financial crisis. A grassroots committee is calling for all adults in Switzerland to receive an unconditional income of 2,500 Swiss francs — about $2,800 — per month from the state, with the aim of providing a financial safety net for the population. Organizers submitted more than the 100,000 signatures needed to call a referendum on Friday and tipped a truckload of 8 million five-cent coins outside the parliament building in Bern, one for each person living in Switzerland. http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article36434.htm#IDComment730318181
Whether it will be voted for or against is anyone's guess! I think the Idiots ought to pay for the Cost of the Voting if it goes down the Drain as it will! If we had that Rule,some of those Dorks would think twice about bringing this kind of Garbage to a Vote by Referendum!
You see,we also have some Horse's Patoots tryin to break the Nation! Anyone disabled,or below the Existence-Minimum is already receiving Money from the State,so WTF those Idiots want? Wonder if they ever read some of the History of the USSR! BTW,the link is broken! Looks to me like Switzerland is moving to a social credit monetary system, which is a real laugh with criminal private outfits like the BIS in Basel. Everybody knows it's really the consumer who drives the economy, so it's only natural that the road to prosperity is to put more money in the hands of the people so they have money to spend. Everywhere that a guaranteed annual income was tried has worked like a charm...Until the BIS or it's lackeys had the superior economic system destroyed...usually with bombs. After all, how do you expect the slaves to do as they're told if they don't have to dance & beg for their own money? Where's the profit in that???...Pretty soon you wouldn't even need banks to lend it back to them at interest!!! Why don't try it in Canada then? BTW,We,the Citizens will vote on it! I think you had better have another look at the structure of the BIS! Too much Conspiracy-Theory! |
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Hey Con....is this valid? Swiss to Vote on Guaranteed $2800 Monthly Income for All Adults October 05, 2013 "Information Clearing House - In a move to combat growing pay inequality, Swiss citizens will vote on whether to give every adult in Switzerland a basic income. BERNE — Switzerland will hold a vote on whether to introduce a basic income for all adults, in a further sign of growing public activism over pay inequality since the financial crisis. A grassroots committee is calling for all adults in Switzerland to receive an unconditional income of 2,500 Swiss francs — about $2,800 — per month from the state, with the aim of providing a financial safety net for the population. Organizers submitted more than the 100,000 signatures needed to call a referendum on Friday and tipped a truckload of 8 million five-cent coins outside the parliament building in Bern, one for each person living in Switzerland. http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article36434.htm#IDComment730318181
Whether it will be voted for or against is anyone's guess! I think the Idiots ought to pay for the Cost of the Voting if it goes down the Drain as it will! If we had that Rule,some of those Dorks would think twice about bringing this kind of Garbage to a Vote by Referendum!
You see,we also have some Horse's Patoots tryin to break the Nation! Anyone disabled,or below the Existence-Minimum is already receiving Money from the State,so WTF those Idiots want? Wonder if they ever read some of the History of the USSR! BTW,the link is broken! Looks to me like Switzerland is moving to a social credit monetary system, which is a real laugh with criminal private outfits like the BIS in Basel. Everybody knows it's really the consumer who drives the economy, so it's only natural that the road to prosperity is to put more money in the hands of the people so they have money to spend. Everywhere that a guaranteed annual income was tried has worked like a charm...Until the BIS or it's lackeys had the superior economic system destroyed...usually with bombs. After all, how do you expect the slaves to do as they're told if they don't have to dance & beg for their own money? Where's the profit in that???...Pretty soon you wouldn't even need banks to lend it back to them at interest!!! 
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Hey Con....is this valid? Swiss to Vote on Guaranteed $2800 Monthly Income for All Adults October 05, 2013 "Information Clearing House - In a move to combat growing pay inequality, Swiss citizens will vote on whether to give every adult in Switzerland a basic income. BERNE — Switzerland will hold a vote on whether to introduce a basic income for all adults, in a further sign of growing public activism over pay inequality since the financial crisis. A grassroots committee is calling for all adults in Switzerland to receive an unconditional income of 2,500 Swiss francs — about $2,800 — per month from the state, with the aim of providing a financial safety net for the population. Organizers submitted more than the 100,000 signatures needed to call a referendum on Friday and tipped a truckload of 8 million five-cent coins outside the parliament building in Bern, one for each person living in Switzerland. http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article36434.htm#IDComment730318181 |
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Hey Con....is this valid? Swiss to Vote on Guaranteed $2800 Monthly Income for All Adults October 05, 2013 "Information Clearing House - In a move to combat growing pay inequality, Swiss citizens will vote on whether to give every adult in Switzerland a basic income. BERNE â Switzerland will hold a vote on whether to introduce a basic income for all adults, in a further sign of growing public activism over pay inequality since the financial crisis. A grassroots committee is calling for all adults in Switzerland to receive an unconditional income of 2,500 Swiss francs â about $2,800 â per month from the state, with the aim of providing a financial safety net for the population. Organizers submitted more than the 100,000 signatures needed to call a referendum on Friday and tipped a truckload of 8 million five-cent coins outside the parliament building in Bern, one for each person living in Switzerland. http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article36434.htm#IDComment730318181
Whether it will be voted for or against is anyone's guess! I think the Idiots ought to pay for the Cost of the Voting if it goes down the Drain as it will! If we had that Rule,some of those Dorks would think twice about bringing this kind of Garbage to a Vote by Referendum!
You see,we also have some Horse's Patoots tryin to break the Nation! Anyone disabled,or below the Existence-Minimum is already receiving Money from the State,so WTF those Idiots want? Wonder if they ever read some of the History of the USSR! BTW,the link is broken! Hmmmmm...ok, here's a video link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqKkERp-ias and the text from the page I read.... October 05, 2013 "Information Clearing House - In a move to combat growing pay inequality, Swiss citizens will vote on whether to give every adult in Switzerland a basic income. BERNE — Switzerland will hold a vote on whether to introduce a basic income for all adults, in a further sign of growing public activism over pay inequality since the financial crisis. A grassroots committee is calling for all adults in Switzerland to receive an unconditional income of 2,500 Swiss francs — about $2,800 — per month from the state, with the aim of providing a financial safety net for the population. Organizers submitted more than the 100,000 signatures needed to call a referendum on Friday and tipped a truckload of 8 million five-cent coins outside the parliament building in Bern, one for each person living in Switzerland. Under Swiss law, citizens can organize popular initiatives that allow the channeling of public anger into direct political action. The country usually holds several referenda a year. In March, Swiss voters backed some of the world's strictest controls on executive pay, forcing public companies to give shareholders a binding vote on compensation. A separate proposal to limit monthly executive pay to no more than what the company's lowest-paid staff earn in a year, the so-called 1:12 initiative, faces a popular vote on Nov. 24. The initiative's organizing committee said the basic income could partly be financed through money from social insurance systems in Switzerland. The timing of the vote has yet to be announced, pending official guidance from the government. Reporting by Denis Balibouse, writing by Alice Baghdjian |
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Hey Con....is this valid? Swiss to Vote on Guaranteed $2800 Monthly Income for All Adults October 05, 2013 "Information Clearing House - In a move to combat growing pay inequality, Swiss citizens will vote on whether to give every adult in Switzerland a basic income. BERNE â Switzerland will hold a vote on whether to introduce a basic income for all adults, in a further sign of growing public activism over pay inequality since the financial crisis. A grassroots committee is calling for all adults in Switzerland to receive an unconditional income of 2,500 Swiss francs â about $2,800 â per month from the state, with the aim of providing a financial safety net for the population. Organizers submitted more than the 100,000 signatures needed to call a referendum on Friday and tipped a truckload of 8 million five-cent coins outside the parliament building in Bern, one for each person living in Switzerland. http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article36434.htm#IDComment730318181
Whether it will be voted for or against is anyone's guess! I think the Idiots ought to pay for the Cost of the Voting if it goes down the Drain as it will! If we had that Rule,some of those Dorks would think twice about bringing this kind of Garbage to a Vote by Referendum!
You see,we also have some Horse's Patoots tryin to break the Nation! Anyone disabled,or below the Existence-Minimum is already receiving Money from the State,so WTF those Idiots want? Wonder if they ever read some of the History of the USSR! BTW,the link is broken! Hmmmmm...ok, here's a video link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqKkERp-ias and the text from the page I read.... October 05, 2013 "Information Clearing House - In a move to combat growing pay inequality, Swiss citizens will vote on whether to give every adult in Switzerland a basic income. BERNE — Switzerland will hold a vote on whether to introduce a basic income for all adults, in a further sign of growing public activism over pay inequality since the financial crisis. A grassroots committee is calling for all adults in Switzerland to receive an unconditional income of 2,500 Swiss francs — about $2,800 — per month from the state, with the aim of providing a financial safety net for the population. Organizers submitted more than the 100,000 signatures needed to call a referendum on Friday and tipped a truckload of 8 million five-cent coins outside the parliament building in Bern, one for each person living in Switzerland. Under Swiss law, citizens can organize popular initiatives that allow the channeling of public anger into direct political action. The country usually holds several referenda a year. In March, Swiss voters backed some of the world's strictest controls on executive pay, forcing public companies to give shareholders a binding vote on compensation. A separate proposal to limit monthly executive pay to no more than what the company's lowest-paid staff earn in a year, the so-called 1:12 initiative, faces a popular vote on Nov. 24. The initiative's organizing committee said the basic income could partly be financed through money from social insurance systems in Switzerland. The timing of the vote has yet to be announced, pending official guidance from the government. Reporting by Denis Balibouse, writing by Alice Baghdjian from what I see that 1:12-Initiative will most likely fail! As for that Unearned Income,who will pay into the Social Insurance Systems if no one needs to work,due to a guaranteed income! The Social Insurance Funds are being maintained the same way as any in other Countries,by Taxes on the working population's Wages! No more Wages,no more Funds! Wonder if anyone enlightened those Dorks to that Fact yet!
Those initiators are Idiots! Same Jerks who believe that Money comes from the Bundesbank in Berne!
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Hey Con....is this valid? Swiss to Vote on Guaranteed $2800 Monthly Income for All Adults October 05, 2013 "Information Clearing House - In a move to combat growing pay inequality, Swiss citizens will vote on whether to give every adult in Switzerland a basic income. BERNE — Switzerland will hold a vote on whether to introduce a basic income for all adults, in a further sign of growing public activism over pay inequality since the financial crisis. A grassroots committee is calling for all adults in Switzerland to receive an unconditional income of 2,500 Swiss francs — about $2,800 — per month from the state, with the aim of providing a financial safety net for the population. Organizers submitted more than the 100,000 signatures needed to call a referendum on Friday and tipped a truckload of 8 million five-cent coins outside the parliament building in Bern, one for each person living in Switzerland. http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article36434.htm#IDComment730318181
Whether it will be voted for or against is anyone's guess! I think the Idiots ought to pay for the Cost of the Voting if it goes down the Drain as it will! If we had that Rule,some of those Dorks would think twice about bringing this kind of Garbage to a Vote by Referendum!
You see,we also have some Horse's Patoots tryin to break the Nation! Anyone disabled,or below the Existence-Minimum is already receiving Money from the State,so WTF those Idiots want? Wonder if they ever read some of the History of the USSR! BTW,the link is broken! Looks to me like Switzerland is moving to a social credit monetary system, which is a real laugh with criminal private outfits like the BIS in Basel. Everybody knows it's really the consumer who drives the economy, so it's only natural that the road to prosperity is to put more money in the hands of the people so they have money to spend. Everywhere that a guaranteed annual income was tried has worked like a charm...Until the BIS or it's lackeys had the superior economic system destroyed...usually with bombs. After all, how do you expect the slaves to do as they're told if they don't have to dance & beg for their own money? Where's the profit in that???...Pretty soon you wouldn't even need banks to lend it back to them at interest!!! Why don't try it in Canada then? BTW,We,the Citizens will vote on it! I think you had better have another look at the structure of the BIS! Too much Conspiracy-Theory! Like Canada for instance...social credit was attempted here in the thirties...The banks killed it! (a remnant still exists in Alberta, but the federal crooked monetary system has pretty well castrated it....The banks pisoned it by changing it from an economic system into a political movement based on a stupid "funny money" loon's dream where banks would not be required...Gee...I wonder why they did that?) Like Lincoln, Kennedy, Garfield, & McKinley for instance: http://www.rense.com/general86/pres.htm Like Germany for instance...The banks killed it, along with millions & millions of people. Like Japan for instance...same story as Germany. Like Haiti for instance...after Aristide filed a suit in an international court against France for $13B and reneged on a promise he made to Clinton to keep the plantation's slave wages low. Like Libya for instance...The 2011 death toll was only in the hundreds of thousands. (There were other governments where the will and welfare of the people took precedent over banking & corporate profit...pretty much the same story for all of them..staged violent "revolutions", a new "friendly" government that lets the corporations steal their resources...you know the drill.) Iceland (and now Hungary) are now on the road to social credit monetary systems and good for them!! The BIS & IMF couldn't do diddlysquat about it and can only hope & pray that they won't implement the whole shebang. Glad to hear that the citizens will be voting on it. Switzerland as you know is the only REAL democracy on earth. While I generally consider democracy to be the tyranny of the majority, I know Switzerlands covenants with the UN essentially make it a functional democratic REPUBLIC that recognizes the RIGHTS of all citizens whatever the vote. It is a microcosm of what the whole world will soon be, as the curtain (that Toto pulled back) drops on the charade we've had to live with until now. I know all I need to know about the structure of the BIS, which BTW, looks more like the Tower of Babel than a bank (I think it's about to get struck down too!) The principals of the BIS operate in the same jurisdiction that The F.R.E.E. Society and the man in the Pope suit does...universal jurisdiction and have traditionally benefitted from their anonymity (hidden principals are not liable for the actions of their agents). I can safely tell you that right this very minute those principals are quaking in their drawing rooms, because they know their time has ended and the only thing that;s gonna save their skins is the olive branch I (and people like me) extend to them. As psychopathic and murderous as they are, they are still rational and have no wish to hang from streetlamps like Hallowe'en decorations. They are abot to buy their safety by giving back all they have stolen from the people of the world...It won't nearly make up for all the death, pain and suffering they have inflicted over the centuries, but it will have to do, as state murder is simply wrong and no civilized society would ever impose a vengeful death penalty on anyone. Still I content myself with the fantasy (possible future reality?) of parasites like Rothschild being left with a single skid of gold to carry them for the rest of their lives & finding that even though they'd trade it for a single crust of bread, the offer would find no takers. Make no mistake; their time has ended and we now look to a better world for everyone, even the banksters. You know it, I know it...and THEY know it. |
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Conrad_73
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Thu 10/31/13 12:23 PM
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Hey Con....is this valid? Swiss to Vote on Guaranteed $2800 Monthly Income for All Adults October 05, 2013 "Information Clearing House - In a move to combat growing pay inequality, Swiss citizens will vote on whether to give every adult in Switzerland a basic income. BERNE — Switzerland will hold a vote on whether to introduce a basic income for all adults, in a further sign of growing public activism over pay inequality since the financial crisis. A grassroots committee is calling for all adults in Switzerland to receive an unconditional income of 2,500 Swiss francs — about $2,800 — per month from the state, with the aim of providing a financial safety net for the population. Organizers submitted more than the 100,000 signatures needed to call a referendum on Friday and tipped a truckload of 8 million five-cent coins outside the parliament building in Bern, one for each person living in Switzerland. http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article36434.htm#IDComment730318181
Whether it will be voted for or against is anyone's guess! I think the Idiots ought to pay for the Cost of the Voting if it goes down the Drain as it will! If we had that Rule,some of those Dorks would think twice about bringing this kind of Garbage to a Vote by Referendum!
You see,we also have some Horse's Patoots tryin to break the Nation! Anyone disabled,or below the Existence-Minimum is already receiving Money from the State,so WTF those Idiots want? Wonder if they ever read some of the History of the USSR! BTW,the link is broken! Looks to me like Switzerland is moving to a social credit monetary system, which is a real laugh with criminal private outfits like the BIS in Basel. Everybody knows it's really the consumer who drives the economy, so it's only natural that the road to prosperity is to put more money in the hands of the people so they have money to spend. Everywhere that a guaranteed annual income was tried has worked like a charm...Until the BIS or it's lackeys had the superior economic system destroyed...usually with bombs. After all, how do you expect the slaves to do as they're told if they don't have to dance & beg for their own money? Where's the profit in that???...Pretty soon you wouldn't even need banks to lend it back to them at interest!!! Why don't try it in Canada then? BTW,We,the Citizens will vote on it! I think you had better have another look at the structure of the BIS! Too much Conspiracy-Theory! Like Canada for instance...social credit was attempted here in the thirties...The banks killed it! (a remnant still exists in Alberta, but the federal crooked monetary system has pretty well castrated it....The banks pisoned it by changing it from an economic system into a political movement based on a stupid "funny money" loon's dream where banks would not be required...Gee...I wonder why they did that?) Like Lincoln, Kennedy, Garfield, & McKinley for instance: http://www.rense.com/general86/pres.htm Like Germany for instance...The banks killed it, along with millions & millions of people. Like Japan for instance...same story as Germany. Like Haiti for instance...after Aristide filed a suit in an international court against France for $13B and reneged on a promise he made to Clinton to keep the plantation's slave wages low. Like Libya for instance...The 2011 death toll was only in the hundreds of thousands. (There were other governments where the will and welfare of the people took precedent over banking & corporate profit...pretty much the same story for all of them..staged violent "revolutions", a new "friendly" government that lets the corporations steal their resources...you know the drill.) Iceland (and now Hungary) are now on the road to social credit monetary systems and good for them!! The BIS & IMF couldn't do diddlysquat about it and can only hope & pray that they won't implement the whole shebang. Glad to hear that the citizens will be voting on it. Switzerland as you know is the only REAL democracy on earth. While I generally consider democracy to be the tyranny of the majority, I know Switzerlands covenants with the UN essentially make it a functional democratic REPUBLIC that recognizes the RIGHTS of all citizens whatever the vote. It is a microcosm of what the whole world will soon be, as the curtain (that Toto pulled back) drops on the charade we've had to live with until now. I know all I need to know about the structure of the BIS, which BTW, looks more like the Tower of Babel than a bank (I think it's about to get struck down too!) The principals of the BIS operate in the same jurisdiction that The F.R.E.E. Society and the man in the Pope suit does...universal jurisdiction and have traditionally benefitted from their anonymity (hidden principals are not liable for the actions of their agents). I can safely tell you that right this very minute those principals are quaking in their drawing rooms, because they know their time has ended and the only thing that;s gonna save their skins is the olive branch I (and people like me) extend to them. As psychopathic and murderous as they are, they are still rational and have no wish to hang from streetlamps like Hallowe'en decorations. They are abot to buy their safety by giving back all they have stolen from the people of the world...It won't nearly make up for all the death, pain and suffering they have inflicted over the centuries, but it will have to do, as state murder is simply wrong and no civilized society would ever impose a vengeful death penalty on anyone. Still I content myself with the fantasy (possible future reality?) of parasites like Rothschild being left with a single skid of gold to carry them for the rest of their lives & finding that even though they'd trade it for a single crust of bread, the offer would find no takers. Make no mistake; their time has ended and we now look to a better world for everyone, even the banksters. You know it, I know it...and THEY know it. WTH do you know! Tribalism as the answer to Statism! Total Dictatorship of the Collective!
You gonna make the old Soviet-Union look like Schlaraffia! Your System didn't work ,because it doesn't work! Not because of some Stab In the Back! (Dolchstoss-Legende all over again)
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Trade or barter are the truest, most pure, forms of commercial exchange. As long as the word "system" is implied, you can expect corruption or greed. Since as a society we think ourselves above such basic principles, we are doomed to the harvest of the seeds we have sown. Wait til the lights go out and see what a dollar in any paper currency will buy you...... |
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Conrad_73
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Thu 10/31/13 01:20 PM
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Money is a great power,because, in a free or even a semi-free society, it is a frozen form of productive energy. And, therefore, the spending of money is a grave responsibility. Contrary to the altruists and the advocates of the so-called academic freedom, it is a moral crime to give money to support ideas with which you disagree; it means: ideas which you consider wrong, false, evil. It is a moral crime to give money to support your own destroyers.
The Voice of Reason The Sanction of the Victims, Most people lump together into the same category all men who become rich, refusing to consider the essential question: the source of the riches, the means by which the wealth was acquired. Money is a tool of exchange; it represents wealth only so long as it can be traded for material goods and services. Wealth does not grow in nature; it has to be produced by men. Nature gives us only the raw materials, but it is man's mind that has to discover the knowledge of how to use them. It is man's thinking and labor that transform the materials into food, clothing, shelter or television sets into all the goods that men require for their survival, comfort and pleasure. Behind every step of humanity's long climb from the cave to New York City, there is the man who took that step for the first time the man who discovered how to make a fire or a wheel or an airplane or an electric light. When people refuse to consider the source of wealth, what they refuse to recognize is the fact that wealth is the product of man's intellect, of his creative ability, fully as much as is art, science, philosophy or any other human value. The Objectivist Forum The Money-Making Personality So long as men live together on earth and need means to deal with one another,their only substitute, if they abandon money, is the muzzle of a gun. For the New Intellectual The Meaning of Money Money rests on the axiom that every man is the owner of his mind and his effort. Money allows no power to prescribe the value of your effort except the voluntary choice of the man who is willing to trade you his effort in return. Money permits you to obtain for your goods and your labor that which they are worth to the men who buy them, but no more. Money permits no deals except those to mutual benefit by the unforced judgment of the traders. For the New Intellectual The Meaning of Money So you think that money is the root of all evil? . . . Have you ever asked what is the root of money? Money is a tool of exchange, which can't exist unless there are goods produced and men able to produce them. Money is the material shape of the principle that men who wish to deal with one another must deal by trade and give value for value. Money is not the tool of the moochers, who claim your product by tears, or of the looters, who take it from you by force. Money is made possible only by the men who produce. Is this what you consider evil? When you accept money in payment for your effort, you do so only on the conviction that you will exchange it for the product of the effort of others. It is not the moochers or the looters who give value to money. Not an ocean of tears nor all the guns in the world can transform those pieces of paper in your wallet into the bread you will need to survive tomorrow. Those pieces of paper, which should have been gold, are a token of honor,your claim upon the energy of the men who produce. Your wallet is your statement of hope that somewhere in the world around you there are men who will not default on that moral principle which is the root of money. Is this what you consider evil? Have you ever looked for the root of production? Take a look at an electric generator and dare tell yourself that it was created by the muscular effort of unthinking brutes. Try to grow a seed of wheat without the knowledge left to you by men who had to discover it for the first time. Try to obtain your food by means of nothing but physical motions and you'll learn that man's mind is the root of all the goods produced and of all the wealth that has ever existed on earth. But you say that money is made by the strong at the expense of the weak? What strength do you mean? It is not the strength of guns or muscles. Wealth is the product of man's capacity to think. Then is money made by the man who invents a motor at the expense of those who did not invent it? Is money made by the intelligent at the expense of the fools? By the able at the expense of the incompetent? By the ambitious at the expense of the lazy? Money is made before it can be looted or mooched,made by the effort of every honest man, each to the extent of his ability. An honest man is one who knows that he can't consume more than he has produced. For the New Intellectual The Meaning of Money http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/money.html I believe the Libertarians have a similar Idea about it! No,Rand is not talking about Federal Reserve-Money!
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Money is a great power,because, in a free or even a semi-free society, it is a frozen form of productive energy. And, therefore, the spending of money is a grave responsibility. Contrary to the altruists and the advocates of the so-called academic freedom, it is a moral crime to give money to support ideas with which you disagree; it means: ideas which you consider wrong, false, evil. It is a moral crime to give money to support your own destroyers. The Voice of Reason The Sanction of the Victims, Most people lump together into the same category all men who become rich, refusing to consider the essential question: the source of the riches, the means by which the wealth was acquired. Money is a tool of exchange; it represents wealth only so long as it can be traded for material goods and services. Wealth does not grow in nature; it has to be produced by men. Nature gives us only the raw materials, but it is man's mind that has to discover the knowledge of how to use them. It is man's thinking and labor that transform the materials into food, clothing, shelter or television sets into all the goods that men require for their survival, comfort and pleasure. Behind every step of humanity's long climb from the cave to New York City, there is the man who took that step for the first time the man who discovered how to make a fire or a wheel or an airplane or an electric light. When people refuse to consider the source of wealth, what they refuse to recognize is the fact that wealth is the product of man's intellect, of his creative ability, fully as much as is art, science, philosophy or any other human value. The Objectivist Forum The Money-Making Personality So long as men live together on earth and need means to deal with one another,their only substitute, if they abandon money, is the muzzle of a gun. For the New Intellectual The Meaning of Money Money rests on the axiom that every man is the owner of his mind and his effort. Money allows no power to prescribe the value of your effort except the voluntary choice of the man who is willing to trade you his effort in return. Money permits you to obtain for your goods and your labor that which they are worth to the men who buy them, but no more. Money permits no deals except those to mutual benefit by the unforced judgment of the traders. For the New Intellectual The Meaning of Money So you think that money is the root of all evil? . . . Have you ever asked what is the root of money? Money is a tool of exchange, which can't exist unless there are goods produced and men able to produce them. Money is the material shape of the principle that men who wish to deal with one another must deal by trade and give value for value. Money is not the tool of the moochers, who claim your product by tears, or of the looters, who take it from you by force. Money is made possible only by the men who produce. Is this what you consider evil? When you accept money in payment for your effort, you do so only on the conviction that you will exchange it for the product of the effort of others. It is not the moochers or the looters who give value to money. Not an ocean of tears nor all the guns in the world can transform those pieces of paper in your wallet into the bread you will need to survive tomorrow. Those pieces of paper, which should have been gold, are a token of honor,your claim upon the energy of the men who produce. Your wallet is your statement of hope that somewhere in the world around you there are men who will not default on that moral principle which is the root of money. Is this what you consider evil? Have you ever looked for the root of production? Take a look at an electric generator and dare tell yourself that it was created by the muscular effort of unthinking brutes. Try to grow a seed of wheat without the knowledge left to you by men who had to discover it for the first time. Try to obtain your food by means of nothing but physical motions and you'll learn that man's mind is the root of all the goods produced and of all the wealth that has ever existed on earth. But you say that money is made by the strong at the expense of the weak? What strength do you mean? It is not the strength of guns or muscles. Wealth is the product of man's capacity to think. Then is money made by the man who invents a motor at the expense of those who did not invent it? Is money made by the intelligent at the expense of the fools? By the able at the expense of the incompetent? By the ambitious at the expense of the lazy? Money is made before it can be looted or mooched,made by the effort of every honest man, each to the extent of his ability. An honest man is one who knows that he can't consume more than he has produced. For the New Intellectual The Meaning of Money http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/money.html I believe the Libertarians have a similar Idea about it! No,Rand is not talking about Federal Reserve-Money!
Rand was two dimensional in more ways than the characters she wrote about. While I enjoyed some of her stories, I could see the flaws in her characters were born by the flaws in her philosophy of objectivism. To put it simply, it is logically inconsistent, period. That is not to say all of her stuff is rubbish, but some of it is, and most people can't seem to separate the wheat from the chaff. The biggest flaw I find in the Austrian School I once subscribed to is the philosophy of capitalism itself, since in it's current incarnation, it developed as the child of feudalism, with "inheritance" figuring quite prominently. To put it simply, if someone's wealth can be passed down thu generations there is a tendency for the wealthy family to continue to accrete capital not by merit, but by the simple hoarding of it, forcing the slaves & tenant serfs liberated from feudalism into unconscionable labour contracts with the rich for severe want of their own "startup" capital. No...I'm afraid capitalism isn't gonna work. These days capital is used in the same way that land was used by the lords in a feudal system. Hire some slaves to work for you and keep them too poor to advance to the next social strata. Modern capitalism is all about the transfer of wealth from the poor to the rich, as we see quite clearly today with the impoverishment of the middle class and the hunger and want of the poor, who are now even too poor to provide themselves with enough to eat, since the industrial robots & production efficiencies (more "capital) put them out of work. To make things real simple, it is absolutely true that one man's profit is another man's loss, period. Don't even try to make the argument that the worker contracts freely for his labour at a given price. the worker has NO CHOICE but to accept what is offered and what is offered isn't enough to keep the now "useless eater" going. I see trends in evolutionary terms. Over the course of history we've had: 1) Rule of kings (some nice, some tyrants...all with the power to take your head if they felt like it) 2) Rule of capital (banksters & corporations; nuff said) 3) Rule of law (Human beings finally take charge!!) Put another way: 1) tribalism/humanism (approx 100 per tribe..."outsiders are not to be trusted and wars are common, but mercifally small mostly occurring only in times of resource scarcity) 2) Feudalism 3) Capitalism 4) Tribalism/Humanism (approx 100 per node in a globally united "tribe" of 7 billion human beings thanks to the internet...no more "outsiders" or wars and a philosophy of sustainable living in harmony with a world of abundance we call our planet) We are currently moving into stage 4...get with the program. |
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In case anyone is curious, here is an EXCELLENT movie about money and it's history. It illustrates quite clearly that trading gold isn't the answer. It might help to free us from the banksters, but we'd better wean ourselves from it ASAP or they'll just enslave us again.
A social credit monetary system is the future. Now here's "The Secret of Oz.": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eUh-rDi9dU |
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In case anyone is curious, here is an EXCELLENT movie about money and it's history. It illustrates quite clearly that trading gold isn't the answer. It might help to free us from the banksters, but we'd better wean ourselves from it ASAP or they'll just enslave us again. A social credit monetary system is the future. Now here's "The Secret of Oz.": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eUh-rDi9dU Who gonna pay for it,Sunshine?
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In case anyone is curious, here is an EXCELLENT movie about money and it's history. It illustrates quite clearly that trading gold isn't the answer. It might help to free us from the banksters, but we'd better wean ourselves from it ASAP or they'll just enslave us again. A social credit monetary system is the future. Now here's "The Secret of Oz.": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eUh-rDi9dU Bet Rand was glad you liked her Stories!
Glad you think that's all there is!
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Hey Con....is this valid? Swiss to Vote on Guaranteed $2800 Monthly Income for All Adults October 05, 2013 "Information Clearing House - In a move to combat growing pay inequality, Swiss citizens will vote on whether to give every adult in Switzerland a basic income. BERNE — Switzerland will hold a vote on whether to introduce a basic income for all adults, in a further sign of growing public activism over pay inequality since the financial crisis. A grassroots committee is calling for all adults in Switzerland to receive an unconditional income of 2,500 Swiss francs — about $2,800 — per month from the state, with the aim of providing a financial safety net for the population. Organizers submitted more than the 100,000 signatures needed to call a referendum on Friday and tipped a truckload of 8 million five-cent coins outside the parliament building in Bern, one for each person living in Switzerland. http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article36434.htm#IDComment730318181 Actually another Bunch of Idiots thinking you make Money by just printing it!
The good old Central-Bank mentality! 
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In case anyone is curious, here is an EXCELLENT movie about money and it's history. It illustrates quite clearly that trading gold isn't the answer. It might help to free us from the banksters, but we'd better wean ourselves from it ASAP or they'll just enslave us again. A social credit monetary system is the future. Now here's "The Secret of Oz.": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eUh-rDi9dU Who gonna pay for it,Sunshine?
You are, aren't you?...or don't you care about anybody but yourself? That this is happening in the same country that houses the BIS is no end of amusement to me! THey must be absolutely beside themselves and pulling out all stops to try to ensure the people don't vote themselves a guaranteed annual income...One thing you can know for certain...If they do vote it in, Switzerland will virtually disappear from the MSM as though it never even existed...The LAST thing they'll want is for anyone else to know...It might make "the people" elsewhere kinda "uppity", and turn them into self-serving, selfish "layabouts", who just sit on their "assets", instead of remaining the poor but thrifty "working class", serving the banks & paying their "taxes" (interest) as they ought to... Boy...the more I think about it, we should be issuing arrest warrants for anyone who looks like "Mr. Potter" from "It's a Wonderful Life."...Some of them are BOUND to be the hidden principals of the BIS. |
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In case anyone is curious, here is an EXCELLENT movie about money and it's history. It illustrates quite clearly that trading gold isn't the answer. It might help to free us from the banksters, but we'd better wean ourselves from it ASAP or they'll just enslave us again. A social credit monetary system is the future. Now here's "The Secret of Oz.": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eUh-rDi9dU Who gonna pay for it,Sunshine?
You are, aren't you?...or don't you care about anybody but yourself? That this is happening in the same country that houses the BIS is no end of amusement to me! THey must be absolutely beside themselves and pulling out all stops to try to ensure the people don't vote themselves a guaranteed annual income...One thing you can know for certain...If they do vote it in, Switzerland will virtually disappear from the MSM as though it never even existed...The LAST thing they'll want is for anyone else to know...It might make "the people" elsewhere kinda "uppity", and turn them into self-serving, selfish "layabouts", who just sit on their "assets", instead of remaining the poor but thrifty "working class", serving the banks & paying their "taxes" (interest) as they ought to... Boy...the more I think about it, we should be issuing arrest warrants for anyone who looks like "Mr. Potter" from "It's a Wonderful Life."...Some of them are BOUND to be the hidden principals of the BIS.
We been thinking of relocating the BIS to Ottawa! So,you really think that Referendum has a Snowball's chance in Hell? Got a Bridge in Venice I can let you have cheap! Your remarks just show me how little you really know about the inner workings of the Swiss Federation! It's nothing more than stirring the Poop what you are doing! No working System in your Corner! All Talk! None of your Utopian Schemes have ever worked!
BTW,that Bridge is a Masonry Bridge! And how will they ensure that the People don't vote for the measure? More Guesswork? More intricate Knowledge of our political System? |
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don't forget the Soma and Soylent Green! Why would I do that?...The elite hasn't. We've had Soma for ages now and are now on the verge of eating soylent green thanks to them...That was part of the plan all along and forms the original intent of the recycling movement. We been thinking of relocating the BIS to Ottawa! Capitol idea!!...being that close I can watch as the Tower of Babel is struck down by G-d Almighty...I must remember to bring popcorn for the show. So,you really think that Referendum has a Snowball's chance in Hell? YUP!...That's what we've got planned for Canada too! Got a Bridge in Venice I can let you have cheap! I'll think it over, but I'll need some verification that the deal's legitimate this time...I ordered the Brooklyn Bridge ages ago and it STILL hasn't been delivered!...I'm plum fed up with being ripped off like that and if I can find that guy in a trenchcoat I met in the alley that day, I'm gonna demand a refund and then some! Your remarks just show me how little you really know about the inner workings of the Swiss Federation! Natch. I find as I age I know less & less all the time. I figure by the time I'm dead I'll know nothing at all...which will make me the wisest duck on earth...for about a millisecond. It's nothing more than stirring the Poop what you are doing! Good!...That means I'm doing my proper job. If you ever bothered to read my profile, you'd know that. No working System in your Corner! *beep*...wrong presumption. Do not pass "Go"; do not collect $200. All Talk! *beep*...wrong presumption. Do not pass "Go"; do not collect $200. None of your Utopian Schemes have ever worked! BTW,that Bridge is a Masonry Bridge! Correction...None of my "utopian schemes" have ever been ALLOWED to work for long...I think this time the people are a lot smarter...They've bought too many bridges that the Masons never delivered...Talk about breach of promise!...Yeow! And how will they ensure that the People don't vote for the measure? You can just thank your lucky stars you live in Switzerland and not lIbya, or I think you'd know how they'd like to stop you. More intricate Knowledge of our political System? *ding ding*...correct answer...You pass "Go" and get $200...ROTFLMAOPMP |
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