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JustDukkyMkII's photo
Tue 11/05/13 10:44 AM
Edited by JustDukkyMkII on Tue 11/05/13 10:47 AM



The simple truth is,
You don't know what the fk you are talking about.laugh


Is that the best you could do? ...Sounds like projection to me.


I would prefer to get my news about Fukushima from an actual news organization, such as The Japan Daily Press, as opposed to a website dedicated to fear-mongering.


What was that called again?...the A Few growths On Your Baby's Thyroid Are Perfectly Normal and Healthy Press? I'll have to have a look at it. Is that as reliable as the censored-for-public-consumption-NBC-News report you mentioned earlier, or maybe ABC News?:

http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2013/s3884029.htm

I had a look and sure enough, you're right. There IS watered-down, optimistic news coming out of Japan these days:

http://fukushimaupdate.com/koizumi-defends-changing-stance-on-nuclear-power/

With any luck, someday they won't have any reactors to blow up, melt down, and contaminate the rest of the planet. I feel better already!


Blow up? Wow, what a misunderstanding of nuclear power production that is. A nuclear reactor is not a bomb.

By the way, that ABC story doesn't pertain to the west coast of the USA, which is the topic of this thread.


Yeah...I guess you're right...it was just a bunch of fear-mongering alarmists that must have faked the film of the reactors blowing their lids in 2011...good special effects though!...right up there with the thermite demolition of the twin towers using holographic planes. LMAO

The ABC story wasn't intended to pertain to the thread topic...It was intended to show you that even your precious "reliable sources for news" are just as given to "fear-mongering" as my "alarmist", "less than credible" web-based information sources.

Conrad_73's photo
Tue 11/05/13 10:46 AM


The simple truth is,
You don't know what the fk you are talking about.laugh


Is that the best you could do? ...Sounds like projection to me.


I would prefer to get my news about Fukushima from an actual news organization, such as The Japan Daily Press, as opposed to a website dedicated to fear-mongering.


What was that called again?...the A Few growths On Your Baby's Thyroid Are Perfectly Normal and Healthy Press? I'll have to have a look at it. Is that as reliable as the censored-for-public-consumption-NBC-News report you mentioned earlier, or maybe ABC News?:

http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2013/s3884029.htm

I had a look and sure enough, you're right. There IS watered-down, optimistic news coming out of Japan these days:

http://fukushimaupdate.com/koizumi-defends-changing-stance-on-nuclear-power/

With any luck, someday they won't have any reactors to blow up, melt down, and contaminate the rest of the planet. I feel better already!

you better worry about the China-Syndrome!
That Reactor-Core might just end up in your Backyard!

JustDukkyMkII's photo
Tue 11/05/13 10:51 AM



The simple truth is,
You don't know what the fk you are talking about.laugh


Is that the best you could do? ...Sounds like projection to me.


I would prefer to get my news about Fukushima from an actual news organization, such as The Japan Daily Press, as opposed to a website dedicated to fear-mongering.


What was that called again?...the A Few growths On Your Baby's Thyroid Are Perfectly Normal and Healthy Press? I'll have to have a look at it. Is that as reliable as the censored-for-public-consumption-NBC-News report you mentioned earlier, or maybe ABC News?:

http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2013/s3884029.htm

I had a look and sure enough, you're right. There IS watered-down, optimistic news coming out of Japan these days:

http://fukushimaupdate.com/koizumi-defends-changing-stance-on-nuclear-power/

With any luck, someday they won't have any reactors to blow up, melt down, and contaminate the rest of the planet. I feel better already!

you better worry about the China-Syndrome!
That Reactor-Core might just end up in your Backyard!


It already DID!...That's why I'm ranting about it.

I'd clean up the mess myself, but all the robots I send to do the work just die on the job before they get within a hundred feet of it.

(On the plus side, the glow makes for a neat patio light)

Dodo_David's photo
Tue 11/05/13 10:53 AM




The simple truth is,
You don't know what the fk you are talking about.laugh


Is that the best you could do? ...Sounds like projection to me.


I would prefer to get my news about Fukushima from an actual news organization, such as The Japan Daily Press, as opposed to a website dedicated to fear-mongering.


What was that called again?...the A Few growths On Your Baby's Thyroid Are Perfectly Normal and Healthy Press? I'll have to have a look at it. Is that as reliable as the censored-for-public-consumption-NBC-News report you mentioned earlier, or maybe ABC News?:

http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2013/s3884029.htm

I had a look and sure enough, you're right. There IS watered-down, optimistic news coming out of Japan these days:

http://fukushimaupdate.com/koizumi-defends-changing-stance-on-nuclear-power/

With any luck, someday they won't have any reactors to blow up, melt down, and contaminate the rest of the planet. I feel better already!


Blow up? Wow, what a misunderstanding of nuclear power production that is. A nuclear reactor is not a bomb.

By the way, that ABC story doesn't pertain to the west coast of the USA, which is the topic of this thread.


Yeah...I guess you're right...it was just a bunch of fear-mongering alarmists that must have faked the film of the reactors blowing their lids in 2011...good special effects though!...right up there with the thermite demolition of the twin towers using holographic planes. LMAO

The ABC story wasn't intended to pertain to the thread topic...It was intended to show you that even your precious "reliable sources for news" are just as given to "fear-mongering" as my "alarmist", "less than credible" web-based information sources.


There is a difference between an explosion caused by a build-up of hydrogen gas and an explosion caused by a nuclear reaction.

JustDukkyMkII's photo
Tue 11/05/13 11:04 AM





The simple truth is,
You don't know what the fk you are talking about.laugh


Is that the best you could do? ...Sounds like projection to me.


I would prefer to get my news about Fukushima from an actual news organization, such as The Japan Daily Press, as opposed to a website dedicated to fear-mongering.


What was that called again?...the A Few growths On Your Baby's Thyroid Are Perfectly Normal and Healthy Press? I'll have to have a look at it. Is that as reliable as the censored-for-public-consumption-NBC-News report you mentioned earlier, or maybe ABC News?:

http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2013/s3884029.htm

I had a look and sure enough, you're right. There IS watered-down, optimistic news coming out of Japan these days:

http://fukushimaupdate.com/koizumi-defends-changing-stance-on-nuclear-power/

With any luck, someday they won't have any reactors to blow up, melt down, and contaminate the rest of the planet. I feel better already!


Blow up? Wow, what a misunderstanding of nuclear power production that is. A nuclear reactor is not a bomb.

By the way, that ABC story doesn't pertain to the west coast of the USA, which is the topic of this thread.


Yeah...I guess you're right...it was just a bunch of fear-mongering alarmists that must have faked the film of the reactors blowing their lids in 2011...good special effects though!...right up there with the thermite demolition of the twin towers using holographic planes. LMAO

The ABC story wasn't intended to pertain to the thread topic...It was intended to show you that even your precious "reliable sources for news" are just as given to "fear-mongering" as my "alarmist", "less than credible" web-based information sources.


There is a difference between an explosion caused by a build-up of hydrogen gas and an explosion caused by a nuclear reaction.


Yeah...The hydrogen build-up was caused by the heat of the runaway nuclear reaction...The explosion didn't really do much...except scatter scads of plutonium & other light & heavy isotopes all over the place..."Nothing to see here folks...move along now...stop gawking...it's only a few little explosions...most of the contamination won't even land in this area...If you live near these reactors, you should probably just go home and await further instruction in a few months or so...move along now..."

Dodo_David's photo
Tue 11/05/13 01:03 PM
Again, the topic of this thread is the west coast of the USA, not Japan.

Nobody is denying that Fukushima was a disaster.

no photo
Tue 11/05/13 01:22 PM




The simple truth is,
You don't know what the fk you are talking about.laugh


Uh, alleoops, that was uncalled for.

I couldn't help it..slaphead


Perhaps you are in need of a vacation to the Hebei Province.

:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Conrad_73's photo
Tue 11/05/13 01:28 PM




The simple truth is,
You don't know what the fk you are talking about.laugh


Is that the best you could do? ...Sounds like projection to me.


I would prefer to get my news about Fukushima from an actual news organization, such as The Japan Daily Press, as opposed to a website dedicated to fear-mongering.


What was that called again?...the A Few growths On Your Baby's Thyroid Are Perfectly Normal and Healthy Press? I'll have to have a look at it. Is that as reliable as the censored-for-public-consumption-NBC-News report you mentioned earlier, or maybe ABC News?:

http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2013/s3884029.htm

I had a look and sure enough, you're right. There IS watered-down, optimistic news coming out of Japan these days:

http://fukushimaupdate.com/koizumi-defends-changing-stance-on-nuclear-power/

With any luck, someday they won't have any reactors to blow up, melt down, and contaminate the rest of the planet. I feel better already!

you better worry about the China-Syndrome!
That Reactor-Core might just end up in your Backyard!


It already DID!...That's why I'm ranting about it.

I'd clean up the mess myself, but all the robots I send to do the work just die on the job before they get within a hundred feet of it.

(On the plus side, the glow makes for a neat patio light)

Only problem is that the much vaunted China-Syndrome is Fake!
Core really wouldn't get too far!

JustDukkyMkII's photo
Tue 11/05/13 03:43 PM





The simple truth is,
You don't know what the fk you are talking about.laugh


Is that the best you could do? ...Sounds like projection to me.


I would prefer to get my news about Fukushima from an actual news organization, such as The Japan Daily Press, as opposed to a website dedicated to fear-mongering.


What was that called again?...the A Few growths On Your Baby's Thyroid Are Perfectly Normal and Healthy Press? I'll have to have a look at it. Is that as reliable as the censored-for-public-consumption-NBC-News report you mentioned earlier, or maybe ABC News?:

http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2013/s3884029.htm

I had a look and sure enough, you're right. There IS watered-down, optimistic news coming out of Japan these days:

http://fukushimaupdate.com/koizumi-defends-changing-stance-on-nuclear-power/

With any luck, someday they won't have any reactors to blow up, melt down, and contaminate the rest of the planet. I feel better already!

you better worry about the China-Syndrome!
That Reactor-Core might just end up in your Backyard!


It already DID!...That's why I'm ranting about it.

I'd clean up the mess myself, but all the robots I send to do the work just die on the job before they get within a hundred feet of it.

(On the plus side, the glow makes for a neat patio light)

Only problem is that the much vaunted China-Syndrome is Fake!
Core really wouldn't get too far!


Th' dickens you say!

boredinaz06's photo
Tue 11/05/13 03:50 PM


This cat knows what the *** he's talkin about.


david suzuki fukushima

David Suzuki has issued a scary warning about Japan's Fukushima nuclear plant, saying that if it falls in a future earthquake, it's "bye bye Japan" and the entire west coast of North America should be evacuated.

The "Nature of Things" host made the comments in a talk posted to YouTube after he joined Dr. David Schindler for "Letting in the Light," a symposium on water ecology held at the University of Alberta on Oct. 30 and 31.

An excerpt of the talk shows Suzuki outlining a frightening scenario that would result from the destruction of the nuclear plant.

"Fukushima is the most terrifying situation I can imagine," he said.

"Three out of the four plants were destroyed in the earthquake and in the tsunami. The fourth one has been so badly damaged that the fear is, if there's another earthquake of a seven or above that, that building will go and then all hell breaks loose.

"And the probability of a seven or above earthquake in the next three years is over 95 per cent."

Suzuki said that an international team of experts needs to go into the Fukushima plant and help fix the problem, but said the Japanese government has "too much pride to admit that."

"I have seen a paper which says that if in fact the fourth plant goes under in an earthquake and those rods are exposed, it's bye bye Japan and everybody on the west coast of North America should evacuate," he said.

"If that isn't terrifying, I don't know what is."

Suzuki's warning came as radiation from the Fukushima plant has been detected in northern Alaska and along the west coast, CBC News reported.

Radiation in Alaskan waters could reach Cold War levels, said Douglas Dasher, a researcher at the University of Alaska Fairbanks, although John Kelley, a professor emeritus at the same university, doesn't seem as certain that it will reach dangerous levels for humans.

"The data they will need is not only past data but current data, and if no one is sampling anything then we won't really know it, will we," he told the network.

Dodo_David's photo
Tue 11/05/13 04:54 PM
Edited by Dodo_David on Tue 11/05/13 05:48 PM
Apparently, fear-mongers such as David Suzuki don't have any friends at the USA's Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory.

In an article titled "Fukushima's Worst-Case Scenarios: Much of what you've heard about the nuclear accident is wrong", Slate reporter Paul Blustein writes the following:

On a heavily guarded campus east of San Francisco stands Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, one of the U.S. government's premier scientific research facilities. Hours after a massive earthquake and tsunami struck Japan on March 11, 2011, a team of Livermore scientists mobilized to begin assessing the danger from the crippled Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear plant. The 40-odd team members include physicists, meteorologists, computer modelers, and health specialists. Their specialty is major airborne hazards—toxic matter from chemical fires, ash from erupting volcanoes, or radioactive emissions.

The scientists'�� work - ��secret at the time and barely known to the public even today - had an enormous impact on Japan's nuclear crisis, averting a potentially disastrous U.S. overreaction. This tale reveals significant new information about the accident's severity and affords a different perspective on events at Fukushima, which have generally been portrayed as a near Armageddon.


Here are more excerpts from the Slate article:

This is why the White House called upon the team at Livermore. Formally known as the National Atmospheric Release Advisory Center, or NARAC, the team has assessed such disasters as Chernobyl, the 1991 Kuwaiti oil fires, and the 2010 Deepwater Horizon oil rig explosion.

The Livermore scientists combine high-speed computing capacity, high-resolution weather forecasting, and stored databases about weather patterns and terrain to generate three-dimensional maps of hazardous plumes. They can project with far greater precision than simpler models how airborne particles are likely to travel over long distances and long periods involving changeable weather. Their judgments would depend on input from government experts about what might happen at Fukushima Dai-ichi.


... the computer modeling produced results that settled the debate: A plume delivering radiation doses exceeding U.S. standards would come no closer to Tokyo than 75 miles, so Americans should stay put. In an April 1, 2011, email to Adm. Michael Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, [John] Holdren* spelled out details. "Our optimism, such as it is ... comes not from any assumption that the situation at Fukushima is under control but rather from modeling that shows the worst-plausible releases from one or more reactors at Fukushima would not cross [the U.S. guidelines] in Tokyo even in the event of adverse weather," Holdren wrote. "Only with big releases from the spent-fuel pools, combined with even more perverse weather than [the scientists deemed realistic], could the [guidelines] be crossed in Tokyo, and even then, according to the modeling to date, not by much," so "even in these extreme circumstances, sheltering in place might be all you'd want to do."


(*John Holdren is President Obama's chief science advisor.)

Nobody can say for sure how events would have unfolded if the worst had happened at Fukushima. Even the most sophisticated computer models are fallible.

But the public deserves to know what the best available science shows. Whatever conclusions people draw about the implications of the accident, the following should be borne in mind: The claim that an evacuation of Tokyo could have been necessary is based on flimsy, easily rebuttable evidence. Furthermore, the falsity of that claim is indicative of the distortions in much of the Fukushima news coverage. That coverage has given rise to baseless fears about Fukushima that have heavily influenced public opinion. It is time to dispel those fears.


In short, David Suzuki is spreading the misinformation that the Slate article warns against.

Dodo_David's photo
Tue 11/05/13 05:46 PM
At the time of the Fukushima disaster, Jeffrey A. Bader was the senior director for East Asian affairs on the USA's National Security Council. He was involved with the USA's response to Fukushima from the beginning of that disaster.

Here are excerpts from Bader's report "Inside the White House During Fukushima".

On March 11, 2011, I was awakened at 1:45 am by a call from the White House Situation Room reporting that an earthquake measuring 8.9 on the Richter scale (subsequently raised to 9.0) had struck northeast Japan, and that tsunami warnings had been issued. At the time I was senior director for East Asian affairs on the National Security Council, and immediately we formed an interagency group to address the situation. First, we mobilized relief efforts, and the U.S. Pacific Command provided indispensable support for remote and isolated towns. Those operations generated few difficult policy decisions.


Bader describes what the U.S. government discovered about Fukushima.

It soon became clear that the potential impact on the U.S. homeland was minimal. The team established procedures for vetting food imports and cargo and passengers traveling from Japan to the United States. The EPA expanded its radiation monitoring; it detected slightly elevated levels in several locations, but they were harmless.


The administration still lacked a solid basis for projecting future risk. [John] Holdren and the DOE were working closely with Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory to try to develop a model for plausible worst-case scenarios, but it was taking time. In the absence of an authoritative model, other hypotheses filled the void and encouraged ill-considered decisions. . . With the team, I was determined that we not be stampeded into sudden action in the absence of a sound scientific basis, but we understood the urgent necessity of developing a sound analysis as a basis for a decision, whichever way it went.


Working with Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, Holdren developed a series of models based on plausible worst-case scenarios. They depicted simultaneous meltdowns at one or more reactors and complete drainage of the spent fuel pools at two reactors. The results for such worst-case scenarios, assuming unfavorable wind patterns from the reactor site and a lack of precipitation, suggested that radioactive plumes in excess of EPA standards would not reach within 75 to 100 miles of Tokyo, and that we would have several days' notice before such a contingency could develop. In other words, there was no plausible scenario in which Tokyo, Yokosuka, or Yokota could be subject to dangerous levels of airborne radiation.


Regarding the contaminated water from Fukushima that has entered the Pacific Ocean, National Geographic reporter Patrick J. Kiger writes the following:

Marine scientist [Ken] Buesseler believes that the leaks pose little threat to Americans, however. Radioactive contamination, he says, quickly is reduced "by many orders of magnitude" after it moves just a few miles from the original source, so that by the time it would reach the U.S. coast, the levels would be extremely low.*


*Quote Source

boredinaz06's photo
Tue 11/05/13 06:16 PM

Apparently, fear-mongers such as David Suzuki don't have any friends at the USA's Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory.

In an article titled "Fukushima's Worst-Case Scenarios: Much of what you've heard about the nuclear accident is wrong", Slate reporter Paul Blustein writes the following:

On a heavily guarded campus east of San Francisco stands Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, one of the U.S. government's premier scientific research facilities. Hours after a massive earthquake and tsunami struck Japan on March 11, 2011, a team of Livermore scientists mobilized to begin assessing the danger from the crippled Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear plant. The 40-odd team members include physicists, meteorologists, computer modelers, and health specialists. Their specialty is major airborne hazards—toxic matter from chemical fires, ash from erupting volcanoes, or radioactive emissions.

The scientists'�� work - ��secret at the time and barely known to the public even today - had an enormous impact on Japan's nuclear crisis, averting a potentially disastrous U.S. overreaction. This tale reveals significant new information about the accident's severity and affords a different perspective on events at Fukushima, which have generally been portrayed as a near Armageddon.


Here are more excerpts from the Slate article:

This is why the White House called upon the team at Livermore. Formally known as the National Atmospheric Release Advisory Center, or NARAC, the team has assessed such disasters as Chernobyl, the 1991 Kuwaiti oil fires, and the 2010 Deepwater Horizon oil rig explosion.

The Livermore scientists combine high-speed computing capacity, high-resolution weather forecasting, and stored databases about weather patterns and terrain to generate three-dimensional maps of hazardous plumes. They can project with far greater precision than simpler models how airborne particles are likely to travel over long distances and long periods involving changeable weather. Their judgments would depend on input from government experts about what might happen at Fukushima Dai-ichi.


... the computer modeling produced results that settled the debate: A plume delivering radiation doses exceeding U.S. standards would come no closer to Tokyo than 75 miles, so Americans should stay put. In an April 1, 2011, email to Adm. Michael Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, [John] Holdren* spelled out details. "Our optimism, such as it is ... comes not from any assumption that the situation at Fukushima is under control but rather from modeling that shows the worst-plausible releases from one or more reactors at Fukushima would not cross [the U.S. guidelines] in Tokyo even in the event of adverse weather," Holdren wrote. "Only with big releases from the spent-fuel pools, combined with even more perverse weather than [the scientists deemed realistic], could the [guidelines] be crossed in Tokyo, and even then, according to the modeling to date, not by much," so "even in these extreme circumstances, sheltering in place might be all you'd want to do."


(*John Holdren is President Obama's chief science advisor.)

Nobody can say for sure how events would have unfolded if the worst had happened at Fukushima. Even the most sophisticated computer models are fallible.

But the public deserves to know what the best available science shows. Whatever conclusions people draw about the implications of the accident, the following should be borne in mind: The claim that an evacuation of Tokyo could have been necessary is based on flimsy, easily rebuttable evidence. Furthermore, the falsity of that claim is indicative of the distortions in much of the Fukushima news coverage. That coverage has given rise to baseless fears about Fukushima that have heavily influenced public opinion. It is time to dispel those fears.


In short, David Suzuki is spreading the misinformation that the Slate article warns against.


He's reporting what proprietors of nuclear power plants across the globe do not want people to know..

Dodo_David's photo
Tue 11/05/13 08:15 PM


Apparently, fear-mongers such as David Suzuki don't have any friends at the USA's Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory.

In an article titled "Fukushima's Worst-Case Scenarios: Much of what you've heard about the nuclear accident is wrong", Slate reporter Paul Blustein writes the following:

On a heavily guarded campus east of San Francisco stands Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, one of the U.S. government's premier scientific research facilities. Hours after a massive earthquake and tsunami struck Japan on March 11, 2011, a team of Livermore scientists mobilized to begin assessing the danger from the crippled Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear plant. The 40-odd team members include physicists, meteorologists, computer modelers, and health specialists. Their specialty is major airborne hazards—toxic matter from chemical fires, ash from erupting volcanoes, or radioactive emissions.

The scientists'�� work - ��secret at the time and barely known to the public even today - had an enormous impact on Japan's nuclear crisis, averting a potentially disastrous U.S. overreaction. This tale reveals significant new information about the accident's severity and affords a different perspective on events at Fukushima, which have generally been portrayed as a near Armageddon.


Here are more excerpts from the Slate article:

This is why the White House called upon the team at Livermore. Formally known as the National Atmospheric Release Advisory Center, or NARAC, the team has assessed such disasters as Chernobyl, the 1991 Kuwaiti oil fires, and the 2010 Deepwater Horizon oil rig explosion.

The Livermore scientists combine high-speed computing capacity, high-resolution weather forecasting, and stored databases about weather patterns and terrain to generate three-dimensional maps of hazardous plumes. They can project with far greater precision than simpler models how airborne particles are likely to travel over long distances and long periods involving changeable weather. Their judgments would depend on input from government experts about what might happen at Fukushima Dai-ichi.


... the computer modeling produced results that settled the debate: A plume delivering radiation doses exceeding U.S. standards would come no closer to Tokyo than 75 miles, so Americans should stay put. In an April 1, 2011, email to Adm. Michael Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, [John] Holdren* spelled out details. "Our optimism, such as it is ... comes not from any assumption that the situation at Fukushima is under control but rather from modeling that shows the worst-plausible releases from one or more reactors at Fukushima would not cross [the U.S. guidelines] in Tokyo even in the event of adverse weather," Holdren wrote. "Only with big releases from the spent-fuel pools, combined with even more perverse weather than [the scientists deemed realistic], could the [guidelines] be crossed in Tokyo, and even then, according to the modeling to date, not by much," so "even in these extreme circumstances, sheltering in place might be all you'd want to do."


(*John Holdren is President Obama's chief science advisor.)

Nobody can say for sure how events would have unfolded if the worst had happened at Fukushima. Even the most sophisticated computer models are fallible.

But the public deserves to know what the best available science shows. Whatever conclusions people draw about the implications of the accident, the following should be borne in mind: The claim that an evacuation of Tokyo could have been necessary is based on flimsy, easily rebuttable evidence. Furthermore, the falsity of that claim is indicative of the distortions in much of the Fukushima news coverage. That coverage has given rise to baseless fears about Fukushima that have heavily influenced public opinion. It is time to dispel those fears.


In short, David Suzuki is spreading the misinformation that the Slate article warns against.


He's reporting what proprietors of nuclear power plants across the globe do not want people to know..


Suzuki is reporting the misinformation that the media spread in the days following the Fukushima disaster. Doing so gives Suzuki his 15 minutes of fame.

JustDukkyMkII's photo
Tue 11/05/13 09:59 PM
Edited by JustDukkyMkII on Tue 11/05/13 10:14 PM



Apparently, fear-mongers such as David Suzuki don't have any friends at the USA's Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory.

In an article titled "Fukushima's Worst-Case Scenarios: Much of what you've heard about the nuclear accident is wrong", Slate reporter Paul Blustein writes the following:

On a heavily guarded campus east of San Francisco stands Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, one of the U.S. government's premier scientific research facilities. Hours after a massive earthquake and tsunami struck Japan on March 11, 2011, a team of Livermore scientists mobilized to begin assessing the danger from the crippled Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear plant. The 40-odd team members include physicists, meteorologists, computer modelers, and health specialists. Their specialty is major airborne hazards—toxic matter from chemical fires, ash from erupting volcanoes, or radioactive emissions.

The scientists'�� work - ��secret at the time and barely known to the public even today - had an enormous impact on Japan's nuclear crisis, averting a potentially disastrous U.S. overreaction. This tale reveals significant new information about the accident's severity and affords a different perspective on events at Fukushima, which have generally been portrayed as a near Armageddon.


Here are more excerpts from the Slate article:

This is why the White House called upon the team at Livermore. Formally known as the National Atmospheric Release Advisory Center, or NARAC, the team has assessed such disasters as Chernobyl, the 1991 Kuwaiti oil fires, and the 2010 Deepwater Horizon oil rig explosion.

The Livermore scientists combine high-speed computing capacity, high-resolution weather forecasting, and stored databases about weather patterns and terrain to generate three-dimensional maps of hazardous plumes. They can project with far greater precision than simpler models how airborne particles are likely to travel over long distances and long periods involving changeable weather. Their judgments would depend on input from government experts about what might happen at Fukushima Dai-ichi.


... the computer modeling produced results that settled the debate: A plume delivering radiation doses exceeding U.S. standards would come no closer to Tokyo than 75 miles, so Americans should stay put. In an April 1, 2011, email to Adm. Michael Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, [John] Holdren* spelled out details. "Our optimism, such as it is ... comes not from any assumption that the situation at Fukushima is under control but rather from modeling that shows the worst-plausible releases from one or more reactors at Fukushima would not cross [the U.S. guidelines] in Tokyo even in the event of adverse weather," Holdren wrote. "Only with big releases from the spent-fuel pools, combined with even more perverse weather than [the scientists deemed realistic], could the [guidelines] be crossed in Tokyo, and even then, according to the modeling to date, not by much," so "even in these extreme circumstances, sheltering in place might be all you'd want to do."


(*John Holdren is President Obama's chief science advisor.)

Nobody can say for sure how events would have unfolded if the worst had happened at Fukushima. Even the most sophisticated computer models are fallible.

But the public deserves to know what the best available science shows. Whatever conclusions people draw about the implications of the accident, the following should be borne in mind: The claim that an evacuation of Tokyo could have been necessary is based on flimsy, easily rebuttable evidence. Furthermore, the falsity of that claim is indicative of the distortions in much of the Fukushima news coverage. That coverage has given rise to baseless fears about Fukushima that have heavily influenced public opinion. It is time to dispel those fears.


In short, David Suzuki is spreading the misinformation that the Slate article warns against.


He's reporting what proprietors of nuclear power plants across the globe do not want people to know..


Suzuki is reporting the misinformation that the media spread in the days following the Fukushima disaster. Doing so gives Suzuki his 15 minutes of fame.


Well, lets have a look at the lawrence Livermore Laboratory aka Lawrence Livermore National Security aka Department of Energy's National Nuclear Security Administration aka DOE aka Conflict of Interest & PR Damage Control Inc. for the nuclear industry shall we?

I'd say it gets the same status credibility-wise as as the EPA and FDA, both of which are well known rubber stamps for criminal corporations like BP, DuPont, Monsanto and Union Carbide et al that produced products like teflon, aspartame & GMOs. It stands to reason that LLNL would snap into damage control action immediately to limit the liability of precious American national treasures like GE & others for poorly designed, unsafe reactors.

The scientists I've talked to about the mess at Fukushima tend to just shake their heads in disgust about the coverup and bull$hit coming out of Japan, Ottawa & Washington & outfits like Health Canada and Lawrence Livermore National Laboratories...but then what do they know?...Obviously if they have no stake or interest in preserving the nuclear industry, you can't count on their private opinions!

I have mixed opinions regarding Dr. Suzuki...I agree with him on some things and disagree on others, but in this case, I find myself agreeing with him. Maybe we should get the opinion of a popular American scientist about Fukushima?...How about Dr. Michiu Kaku?...At least he's a physicist. I dug up a CNN interview he did shortly after the Fukushima fiasco began:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rrxmy6R3m90

And just for general interest, here's a vid from the early days of Fukushima:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3oMEqU1oAY

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Tue 11/05/13 11:19 PM
Yes it is true that the reactor is pumping out major rads each day into the ocean, and talking about it is not fear mongering. My hair has been falling out twice as much in the last 3 months and I live in Alberta Canada, I know it is caused by radiation, not only from Japan but from the sun as well, we are sensitive beings and coronal output also affects us here on earth. It is not fear mongering to be informed and talk about the fallout in the air and water....they even started putting chemicals in the jet stream via airplanes to try to counter act the radiation, see chemtrails...yes they are real and yes their are such nice things in the chemtrails as barium and aluminum....So just focusing on the crap that the powers that be want you to know about is foolish do not be a sheep keep informed, or stick your head in the sand and ignore it all. Your choice.

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Wed 11/06/13 01:14 AM

Yes it is true that the reactor is pumping out major rads each day into the ocean, and talking about it is not fear mongering. My hair has been falling out twice as much in the last 3 months and I live in Alberta Canada, I know it is caused by radiation, not only from Japan but from the sun as well, we are sensitive beings and coronal output also affects us here on earth. It is not fear mongering to be informed and talk about the fallout in the air and water....they even started putting chemicals in the jet stream via airplanes to try to counter act the radiation, see chemtrails...yes they are real and yes their are such nice things in the chemtrails as barium and aluminum....So just focusing on the crap that the powers that be want you to know about is foolish do not be a sheep keep informed, or stick your head in the sand and ignore it all. Your choice.

I suppose you consulted some Radiation-Measuring Device before you made that Statement?

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Wed 11/06/13 05:41 AM


Yes it is true that the reactor is pumping out major rads each day into the ocean, and talking about it is not fear mongering. My hair has been falling out twice as much in the last 3 months and I live in Alberta Canada, I know it is caused by radiation, not only from Japan but from the sun as well, we are sensitive beings and coronal output also affects us here on earth. It is not fear mongering to be informed and talk about the fallout in the air and water....they even started putting chemicals in the jet stream via airplanes to try to counter act the radiation, see chemtrails...yes they are real and yes their are such nice things in the chemtrails as barium and aluminum....So just focusing on the crap that the powers that be want you to know about is foolish do not be a sheep keep informed, or stick your head in the sand and ignore it all. Your choice.

I suppose you consulted some Radiation-Measuring Device before you made that Statement?


Nah...She probably just asked someone knowledgeable like me why her hair was falling out, and s/he told her the probable reasons. That's my guess anyway.

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Wed 11/06/13 11:06 AM



Yes it is true that the reactor is pumping out major rads each day into the ocean, and talking about it is not fear mongering. My hair has been falling out twice as much in the last 3 months and I live in Alberta Canada, I know it is caused by radiation, not only from Japan but from the sun as well, we are sensitive beings and coronal output also affects us here on earth. It is not fear mongering to be informed and talk about the fallout in the air and water....they even started putting chemicals in the jet stream via airplanes to try to counter act the radiation, see chemtrails...yes they are real and yes their are such nice things in the chemtrails as barium and aluminum....So just focusing on the crap that the powers that be want you to know about is foolish do not be a sheep keep informed, or stick your head in the sand and ignore it all. Your choice.

I suppose you consulted some Radiation-Measuring Device before you made that Statement?


Nah...She probably just asked someone knowledgeable like me why her hair was falling out, and s/he told her the probable reasons. That's my guess anyway.


Surely you jest. whoa

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Thu 11/07/13 09:17 AM
Edited by JustDukkyMkII on Thu 11/07/13 09:20 AM




Yes it is true that the reactor is pumping out major rads each day into the ocean, and talking about it is not fear mongering. My hair has been falling out twice as much in the last 3 months and I live in Alberta Canada, I know it is caused by radiation, not only from Japan but from the sun as well, we are sensitive beings and coronal output also affects us here on earth. It is not fear mongering to be informed and talk about the fallout in the air and water....they even started putting chemicals in the jet stream via airplanes to try to counter act the radiation, see chemtrails...yes they are real and yes their are such nice things in the chemtrails as barium and aluminum....So just focusing on the crap that the powers that be want you to know about is foolish do not be a sheep keep informed, or stick your head in the sand and ignore it all. Your choice.

I suppose you consulted some Radiation-Measuring Device before you made that Statement?


Nah...She probably just asked someone knowledgeable like me why her hair was falling out, and s/he told her the probable reasons. That's my guess anyway.


Surely you jest. whoa


How can you be sure of anything when your judgment is so poor that you think ducks can make jests?

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