Just putting some balance on the spin of the political figures and pundits in media,,,the other side of the doom and gloom accusations...

lol

really can’t figure out what is so hard about this.

For Republicans to shut down the government — to cause real pain to hundreds of thousands of families whose members work for various government agencies, and who will now be furloughed, as if they don’t matter, because, ya know, they aren’t hedge fund managers or other truly vital employees — is the most venal thing I’ve seen elected officials do in my entire life.

And all because why? Because they don’t support a bill that was passed via the normal democratic processes that we use in this country, whether one likes them or not, and all of which could have been explained to these fools by Schoolhouse Rock, if not whatever Poli Sci class they skipped in college before deciding to be a politician. Apparently someone forgot to tell them that when a bill becomes a law, and then the courts uphold that law, and then voters go and re-elect the guy who pushed for the law, then you are done, son. That’s it. You don’t get to hold the country hostage so as to indulge your pre-teen temper tantrum. You have to actually run candidates and win (and not just for some backwoods, or exurban, white flight, Jeezoid congressional district where everyone thinks the same way and believes, against all evidence that Olive Garden is Italian food), but in an entire state, or — get this — a nation! And if you can’t do that, you don’t get to **** with the rest of us so as to satisfy your church family. That’s not how this thing works.

And what’s pathetic is, most of the people who are railing against Obamacare can’t even tell you what it is, or how it will impact them, and hardly any of them are going to be in any way harmed by it. Quite the contrary. Most will be benefitted substantially. Especially those with pre-existing medical conditions, whom insurance companies, concerned not with health but money only, were free previously to exclude from insurance altogether. Anyone who thinks people with pre-existing conditions should not be able to get insurance (and note, this includes virtually all conservatives in America) are evil. The walking, talking definition of that word. And especially since insuring them (preferably with a real single-payer system, but for now, with the ACA) will only cost a few of us more money as a result.

Oh and yes, note, I said “us.”

Because, interestingly, I am one of the statistically few who probably will see my health insurance premiums rise thanks to Obamacare. Because my family and I are on a private-pay insurance plan (which is true for only about 5 percent of the American public, most of whom get insurance either through employers or through Medicare/Medicaid). And because our income is well above the cutoff for receiving any kind of subsidy from the government for our plan, the odds are, our premiums will rise.

And ya know what?

Good.

Because the fact is, as much as I think health care should be a right, guaranteed and paid for from general revenues — and so, yes, I believe in the utter destruction of the private health insurance industry — the fact is, so long as we maintain a private system in this country, to discriminate against persons with pre-existing conditions, and thereby artificially deflate the cost of my insurance just because you can screw other people and not have to assume the risk of insuring them, is ****ing evil. Period. And I am not OK with having my health care costs made cheaper only because someone else isn’t being allowed to have care at all and therefore gets to die, or suffer horrible illness all in the name of the precious market. So if I have to pay more so that others can receive the care they need, so be it. I’d rather do it through tax revenues, yes; because that way, the profit motive would be removed entirely and worthless actuaries would have to get real jobs, involving actual skills. But for now. I’ll take it. And I’ll pay it.

And anyone who isn’t willing to do so, is very simply a horrible human being. No exceptions. Not one.


http://www.timwise.org/
editorial/Commentary

WTF is medicaid and medicare?

This author seems to forget or purposely omits these 2 programs.

Plus the plethora of programs that basically do the same thing.

SCHIP for one..

The argument that people with the ability to pay for their own insurance need to be burdened with having to also help pay for other peoples insurance is absurd.

The needy... ie.. poor children the disabled and the elderly are already covered by insurance that is financed by the public.

What this comes down to is that progressives want bad behavioral choices covered by those that can either afford their own bad behavioral choices or choose to work hard and do things the right way.

Should any non smoker have to pay for someone that smoked for 40 years to have health care?

Should people that take their own health seriously and exercise while eating right be forced to pay for people that want to sit on their a$$ eating Mc Donalds every day to have health care coverage?

I think not..


This society is embracing poor decisions and now we are going to be literally paying for other people to PHUCK up at will without consequences..

Yeah I can sit on my A$$ smoking weed, playing playstation, eating big macs and some other stupid motherPHUCKER is gonna have to pay when I get sick..

That is something to look forward to..

I look forward to people who are WORKING< not eligible for the 'plethora' of programs not having to lose their homes and livelihoods due to unexpected illnesses that have nothing to do with their 'poor choices

I look forward to insurance not being able to milk the policyholders they ALREADY MILK to cover the costs of hospitals and doctors who must RAISE costs to cover those of uninsured who still receive assistance

I look forward to people not having to pay exhorbitant insurance fess because they aren't perfectly HEALTHY during their application process

yep, that's the difference I Guess

yes, I look forward to the needy being helped without all the ASSumptions about what they deserve or what their choices were,,,
or whether they 'sit on their ***',, ( apparently at home where they don't make money, as long as its in an office where someone pays them this same activity is A OK)


and I look forward to insurance no longer being able to fall back on claims of needing to raise costs to cover the uninsured,, when they have a growing number of insured signing up for those policies by nature of the law,,,

Kick them ALL out of office and start over fresh !
They are freaking terrorists in my opinion...

I Actually had that thought, the only thing that keeps them from fitting the definition is they aren't breaking the law

neither were states with jim crow laws either though, when they intimidated and oppressed minorities,,,,



) the term “domestic terrorism” means activities that—
(A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;

(B) appear to be intended—
(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;

(ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or

(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and

(C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States.



http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2331

How much is Obozocare going to cost you a month?

If I enrolled in the exchange, as opposed to what the employer is charging on the employee plan

I would pay over the course of a year, what my 'private' employee plan costs in two months,,,

I will have to call you on that one!

well, IM a working citizen still near poverty level,, but the job doesn't care,, and neither does 'private insurance',,,,,

I pay the same as any other employee there on that coverage, regardless of the income,,,

what you look forward to is sticking it to people that work hard and do the right thing.

you feel that they owe you something.

not really , I feel that in a country where our healthcare costs mean that some get treatment and others don't

a change needs to be made so that the tie breaker isn't income level and class

This time next year , working for myself, I will be paying more,, and IM glad to do it,,,

even though I don't give a rats *** about someone burning a flag,, I t hink caring about actual HUMAN BEINGS And their ability to receive healthcare without turning their lives upside down helps me sleep at night,,,

The above-quoted claim is a straw-man argument, because the U.S. House of Representatives has already approved of legislation that would keep the U.S. government open should the U.S. Senate approve of the legislation and the President sign the legislation into law.

Harry Reid and his fellow Democrats are refusing to approve of that legislation because it does not give them and President Obama everything that they want.

Reid and company are insisting on all-or-nothing.

Congressional Republicans are saying, "Everything but . . ."

The U.S. government would be open for business if Reid and company would approve of the spending that the House has already approved of.

However, don't expect Democrat-loving media members and websites to tell you that.

repubs are saying 'everything but' something that is ALREADY LAW

dems are not negotiating AGAINST What is already law,, buty repubs want to blackmail their way in the back door to try to reverse what has already successfully been upheld,,,

it would have been like dixiecrats passing a bill to pay the bills IF we defund segregated schools and then blaming others for telling them to bugger off,,,,

Regardless of that, House Republicans have already approved of legislation that would keep the U.S. government open.

conditionally,,,,give us what we want or we don't keep it open

is not the same as trying to keep it open

And the Second Ammendment is ALREADY A LAW
Has been for over 200 years yet democrats keep wanting to change that.
The republicans have given 4 different bill to the senate. The last three had nothin to do with defunding the ACA.
The last one I believe the republicans wanted to do away with the medical device tax and do away with congress getting a 72% subsidy for ACA.

Besides,the 2nd is part of the the original Ten Amendments called the Bill Of Rights,also overlooked by the same Crowd!

Actually your ACA originated in the wrong part of the House,ought to be declared Unconstitutional just for that Reason,among a few others!

I don't believe you, point me to where I can read the allaged proposals that leave out the ACA,,,?

or where repubs want to actually give up their 'subsidies'

I think what gets mostly 'overlooked' and debated is the capacity that 'regulation' should have

ya know, regulation? also mentioned in that bill of rights precious document

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.