Keep living in a dream.
If you had your way and there was no uprisings and war you would still be living as a peasant under a lord or king with no rights.
Travel the world a little and find out how others live with no rights or freedoms instead of getting your info from some leftist peace-nik website.

You have no idea where I have traveled or what kind of websites I have been to, so your response is mote.

People need to open their eyes and fight for a cause if they are going to fight at all. Instead, like during the Roman empire, they join the military for the paycheck. Its just a job. Killing people with drones while sitting at a desk... is just a job.

I know people who do this. Its just a job to them. Its just another computer game.

And you would criticize me for being against war? You don't know me.

I am the first person who would fight back if I am attacked, but that is not what war is about anymore...

It is about world domination, power, money, control. Want to be a part of that?

He who lives by the sword will die by the sword.

No I certainly don't know you, but I'm certain you have not traveled the world like I have or you would see first hand how wrong you are. You live here in a free and democratic country, sit on a computer and enjoy the freedom to express yourself. It's so easy for you to sit back and say all war is evil, but in reality being a slave with no freedom or rights is worse then any war.

I'd rather die by the sword then die as a slave!

This is me.

A conscientious objector (CO) is an "individual who has claimed the right to refuse to perform military service" on the grounds of freedom of thought, conscience, and/or religion. In general, conscientious objector status is only considered in the context of military conscription and is not applicable to volunteer military forces.

Well since we have a strictly volunteer military, your point is mute.

Jail time I guess if a draft occurs.

this isn't the 60's or 70's...don't think you have to worry about the draft. The next big war will be the citizens rising up against our corrupt government that has become a socialist dictatorship.The Second Civil War.

Wrong I am about what? Say NO to war?

I am not talking about people in third world countries who have every right to fight for their freedom against tyrants and die for freedom.

I am talking about people (Americans) who are joining the military for a paycheck and ending up following orders to bomb third world countries killing civilians for corporate greed, like they did in Iraq, a country that had no intention of invading the U.S.

It is all a scam, and the propaganda about fighting for freedom is getting so ridiculous and absurd that X-military people who know the truth are being put on "terrorist" watch lists because the government knows that they have been trained in combat and that they might decide to fight for their freedom here in this country.

Bring our troops home. Put them to work building this country instead of destroying other countries.

And say no to war.

Its a corporate war with the agenda of installing capitalism throughout the world. Its just business to them.

There only agenda is to make us into dependent slaves, not to free us.

Show me this "terrorist" watch list with all these x-military on it and I'll be a believer in the high priestess forever!

Obama's secret kill list is secret. I'm sure the terrorists watch lists are not available for public viewing either.

But if you can convince me that our military are fighting for our freedom, take a stab at it.

So if you haven't seen this list and have no firsthand knowledge of it,why do you spout it as fact?
Next you'll be telling everyone the 911 attack on the Trade Towers was an elaborate scheme by the government that detonated explosives to make it SEEM like a terror attack...such foolishness shows a clear lack of intelligence.

It is pretty well established that the war on drugs was a scam. By the way, who won that war again? Nobody of course. Drugs and guns are still major currency on the world market.



#War on terror scam <---- plenty of stuff to read.


http://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en#fp=e31a40c10930cfc0&hl=en&q=War+on+terror+scam&start=10





The following report, which acknowledges that the war on terrorism is a fraud, was published in one of Canada’s mainstream daily newspapers, The Winnipeg Sun. Canada’s military involvement in Afghanistan largely rests on the shaky premise that Canadian troops are fighting a “war on terrorism”.

Contrary to the “patriots” who try to use the deaths of our soldiers in Afghanistan to stifle debate on Canada’s involvement in the War on Terror, I would say that as new evidence presents itself, we would indeed be cowards to ignore it simply because we’ve lost troops in the field and are therefore blindly committed to the mission.

And new evidence is piling up around us, arguably strong enough to declare the whole War on Terror an undeniable fraud.

Virtually ignored by mainstream media, the Americans showed their hand this year with the new Iraqi oil law, now making its way through Iraq’s parliament.

The law — which tens of thousands of Iraqis marched peacefully against on Monday when they called for the immediate expulsion of U.S. forces — would transfer control of one of the largest oil reserves on the planet from Baghdad to Big Oil, delivering “the prize” at last that Vice-President Dick Cheney famously talked about in 1999 when he was CEO of Halliburton.

“The key point of the law,” wrote Mother Jones’ Washington correspondent James Ridgeway on March 1, “is that Iraq’s immense oil wealth (115 billion barrels of proven reserves, third in the world after Saudi Arabia and Iran) will be under the iron rule of a fuzzy ‘Federal Oil and Gas Council’ boasting ‘a panel of oil experts from inside and outside Iraq.’ That is, nothing less than predominantly U.S. Big Oil executives.

“The law represents no less than institutionalized raping and pillaging of Iraq’s oil wealth. It represents the death knell of nationalized Iraqi resources, now replaced by production sharing agreements, which translate into savage privatization and monster profit rates of up to 75% for (basically U.S.) Big Oil. Sixty-five of Iraq’s roughly 80 oilfields already known will be offered for Big Oil to exploit.”

While the U.S. argues that the oil deal will give Iraqis their shot at “freedom and stability,” the International Committee of the Red Cross reported this week that millions of Iraqis are in a “disastrous” situation that continues to deteriorate, with “mothers appealing for someone to pick up the bodies littering the street so their children will be spared the horror of looking at them on their way to school.”

Four years after the invasion, it’s becoming pretty clear that Iraq has been “pacified” solely for the purpose of economic aggression. Humanitarian considerations are moot. The awful plight of Iraq’s one million Christians, who have no place in the new Iraq, underscores this ugly truth.

Afghanistan, meanwhile, has given the U.S. a strategic military beachhead in Central Asia (which “American primacy” advocates called for in the ’90s) and it was quietly reported in November that plans are being accelerated for a $3.3-billion natural gas pipeline “to help Afghanistan become an energy bridge in the region.”

With many Americans (including academics and former top U.S. government officials) now questioning even the physical facts of 9/11 and seriously disputing the “militant Islam” spin, with the media more brain-dead than it’s been in our lifetimes, now is not the time for jingoism and blind faith in the likes of Cheney, George W. Bush and Robert Gates.

Our young men are worth more than that — aren’t they, Mr. Harper?

I suppose you believe the ridiculous conspiracy theory cooked up by the government and its media whores concerning 9-11 too.

They have no evidence for any of their wild claims concerning 9-11 but that has been discussed to great length on this club and I won't waste any more time on it with another discussion.

Because I tell the truth. That's my job.

Canada certainly has their share of left-wing rags called newspapers.
If you want evidence of terrorism I suggest you go to north Africa, Sudan, Somalia, anywhere in the UAE, South Philipines on the Island of Mandano with Abu Sayef and see how long an American girl lasts.

You take small truths and expand them into major lies and untruths, this is the tactic that your "circle of friends" use to manipulate you.
You need to study world history and also travel to foreign countries so you can tell your circle of friends the reality of the world we live in.

everyone knows about barrys hit list, it's old news...

I think you have misunderstood my entire point. You are aluding to being this all wise world traveler who has so much knowledge about terrourism and war. Good for you.

But I don't need evidence of "terrorism" any more than I would need evidence of "drugs."

We all know that these things exist.

The scam is the "WAR ON TERRORISM" and the "WAR ON DRUGS." And all the hype and propaganda that comes with it.

THAT IS THE SCAM.

Governments love "terrorism" because that is a problem that affords them the opportunity to try to solve, thus justifying jobs and giving themselves more power and control over everything and everyone and it justifies their taking away our freedom and privacy in their battle to "protect" us from this horrendous threat.

We the "slaves" as you call us, willingly buy into this terrorist tactic and willingly give up our rights and our freedom and our privacy for this so-called protection.

That's the scam.


Those who would give up Essential Liberty
to purchase a little Temporary Safety,
deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

i think the ww3 is soon gonna start
And this time
China will be the first one to start that