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What im not understanding is why do you think he should not have been where he was at that time???
He was darn near an adult so he is free to walk home at whatever time he pleases. Obviously his father nor fathers girl friend had a problem with what time he decided to come around. That house I'm sure was a second home to him for him to arrive there so late at night like that |
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wasn't really that late even, he was killed at 715 pm
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Zimmerman has claimed to be hispanic, that is a percentage of black heritage, Uh, George Zimmerman's mother is a native of Peru, and she is not black. |
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Zimmerman has claimed to be hispanic, that is a percentage of black heritage, Uh, George Zimmerman's mother is a native of Peru, and she is not black. I thought that she was from the Hebei Province of China. |
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Zimmerman has claimed to be hispanic, that is a percentage of black heritage, Uh, George Zimmerman's mother is a native of Peru, and she is not black. I thought that she was from the Hebei Province of China. That's the mother of this George: 
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Zimmerman has claimed to be hispanic, that is a percentage of black heritage, Uh, George Zimmerman's mother is a native of Peru, and she is not black. I thought that she was from the Hebei Province of China. That's the mother of this George:
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Zimmerman has claimed to be hispanic, that is a percentage of black heritage, Uh, George Zimmerman's mother is a native of Peru, and she is not black. I thought that she was from the Hebei Province of China. That's the mother of this George:
Is that the Guy who likes to taste Elephant-Dumps with his whole face? 
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Zimmerman has claimed to be hispanic, that is a percentage of black heritage, Uh, George Zimmerman's mother is a native of Peru, and she is not black. I thought that she was from the Hebei Province of China. That's the mother of this George:
Is that the Guy who likes to taste Elephant-Dumps with his whole face?
I think so.
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But back to the OP.
I think what is important is that Z should not have carried a gun. He was only to call 911 and let the police take care of it. That was a big mistake. |
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But back to the OP. I think what is important is that Z should not have carried a gun. He was only to call 911 and let the police take care of it. That was a big mistake. A wanna-be cop who likes to push people around. |
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Treyvon had the right to defend himself. Imagine if you were walking down a street on a dark rainy night and a stranger out of nowhere got out his car black/out white, doesn't matter, and approached you. What its the first few things that would come to your mind? Lets see: he is going to snatch me, kidnap me, rape me, etc. That bout was scared, and fear itself wil make you best the crap out of anybody, period. It is possible treyvon could have been screaming for help as he was fighting this stranger because sure as someone came out their homes he could have been rescued, and vice versa, zimmerman could have left the boy alone or been saved from his butt kicken. Further more, it was reported that zimmerman had been taking martial art 3 times a week. So to make this seem as this young boy fist is a weapon really doesn't make sense if this man was trained to use his hands and body as a weapon (no need for a gun). He is a killer, period. He went after this young black boy, but NEVER got out his vehicle to approach grown black men it seems like that to many others including me,, in Treyvons shoes, I and most people I know would have done what he did to survive ,,,,,,,that's why I think the bottom line is the cultural issue of whether people relate to what was Treyvons right to stand his ground,, or whether they relate to ZImmermans right to 'defend' h is neighborhood ,,,,, wow, do you really believe a person willing to fight would be screaming for help? more like a person getting beat would scream for help. or a person who has been shot scream for help second wow, do you really believe a person taking mma classes 3 times a week has the skill level of brock lesner? lots of people take lots of classes three times a week and have low skill levels in whatever they are learning third wow, do you really believe most people who are being followed would be willing to fight the stranger following them? would a stupid person find the nearest home, knock on the door, and ask for help? or a stupider person get off the 'phone with your girlfriend, and dial 911 asking for help? or a really ignorant person hide until the threat has subsided? why is it smart for a person to confront a total stranger and be willing to fist fight knowing you are only armed with a pack of skittles and an iced tea? |
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George Zimmerman's side of it..
http://abcnews.go.com/2020/george-zimmerman-alleged-trayvon-martin-die-tonight/story?id=19543886#.UdIMZfk3uSo |
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Treyvon had the right to defend himself. Imagine if you were walking down a street on a dark rainy night and a stranger out of nowhere got out his car black/out white, doesn't matter, and approached you. What its the first few things that would come to your mind? Lets see: he is going to snatch me, kidnap me, rape me, etc. That bout was scared, and fear itself wil make you best the crap out of anybody, period. It is possible treyvon could have been screaming for help as he was fighting this stranger because sure as someone came out their homes he could have been rescued, and vice versa, zimmerman could have left the boy alone or been saved from his butt kicken. Further more, it was reported that zimmerman had been taking martial art 3 times a week. So to make this seem as this young boy fist is a weapon really doesn't make sense if this man was trained to use his hands and body as a weapon (no need for a gun). He is a killer, period. He went after this young black boy, but NEVER got out his vehicle to approach grown black men it seems like that to many others including me,, in Treyvons shoes, I and most people I know would have done what he did to survive ,,,,,,,that's why I think the bottom line is the cultural issue of whether people relate to what was Treyvons right to stand his ground,, or whether they relate to ZImmermans right to 'defend' h is neighborhood ,,,,, wow, do you really believe a person willing to fight would be screaming for help? more like a person getting beat would scream for help. or a person who has been shot scream for help second wow, do you really believe a person taking mma classes 3 times a week has the skill level of brock lesner? lots of people take lots of classes three times a week and have low skill levels in whatever they are learning third wow, do you really believe most people who are being followed would be willing to fight the stranger following them? would a stupid person find the nearest home, knock on the door, and ask for help? or a stupider person get off the 'phone with your girlfriend, and dial 911 asking for help? or a really ignorant person hide until the threat has subsided? why is it smart for a person to confront a total stranger and be willing to fist fight knowing you are only armed with a pack of skittles and an iced tea? well the scream for help is irrelevant as it is never been proven who it was but yes,, a person fearful for his life would scream for help, IF I was fighting someone I thought meant to kill me, I would be continuously screaming for help, regardless of my position in the fight,,,, I do think a person with a fifty pound advantage in ADDITION to taking mma would have greater skill than someone with fifty pounds less who was just recently beat by another child in a school fight,,,or at least that the person would have made SOME physical connection indicating an attempt to fight back as to the last several questions,,,I Believe a young adult on the phone with a girl and from the hood would have a reasonable expectation not to expect much from knocking on a door or calling police because they thought they were being followed,,,,, I also think a reasonable young adult from such an environment may decide not to lead such an odd person to where he lives (similarly , Z didn't give his address on the phone because he didn't want Treyvon to know where he lived) in lieu of having a reasonable other option,,,,I think the only option if flight is not available , is fight I KNOW if someone feels an inmminent danger, as a last resort, if RETREAT doesn't seem possible,, fighting for ones life is all kinds of reasonable,,, |
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George Zimmerman's side of it.. http://abcnews.go.com/2020/george-zimmerman-alleged-trayvon-martin-die-tonight/story?id=19543886#.UdIMZfk3uSo doesn't seem available, but Im sure he will have a similar 'story' as one he has been telling when the only person to hear you say something is a dead person, its hard to refute,,,but its still suspect given the rest of the witness testimony as to what they heard and the already proven ability for Zimmerman to lie about what happened that night (changing the story from the night when he recognized trevyon to be a teen to the bond hearing when he claims he thought he was close to his age) |
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Z's mistake was ,one to have a gun on himself, two not to have a second person there to back up your story. He had neither.
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well the scream for help is irrelevant as it is never been proven who it was but yes,, a person fearful for his life would scream for help, IF I was fighting someone I thought meant to kill me, I would be continuously screaming for help, regardless of my position in the fight,,, if think you can scream any comprehensible word continuously while delivering knock out punches you are a better man than i am I do think a person with a fifty pound advantage in ADDITION to taking mma would have greater skill than someone with fifty pounds less who was just recently beat by another child in a school fight,,,or at least that the person would have made SOME physical connection indicating an attempt to fight back here is what you are failing to understand. in a fight, weight is not always an advantage. taking mma doesn't mean you are good at mma. experience in a school fight might even be an advantage, if you learned what not to do. lastly, a person choosing to fight an unknown opponent is not thinking rationally. as to the last several questions,,,I Believe a young adult on the phone with a girl and from the hood would have a reasonable expectation not to expect much from knocking on a door or calling police because they thought they were being followed,,,,, why would being from the hood make a difference when calling 911? if you are saying a person from the hood has been raised not to trust authority figures, than you see the result of that I also think a reasonable young adult from such an environment may decide not to lead such an odd person to where he lives (similarly , Z didn't give his address on the phone because he didn't want Treyvon to know where he lived) he didn't have to led anyone to where he lives, but if he did, i'm sure a stranger following a person would develop a different attitude if confronted by adult members, or any other family members for that matter. cowards don't handle crowds very well in lieu of having a reasonable other option,,,,I think the only option if flight is not available , is fight if flight is not available, fight is an option. thing is flight was available. they were not in a confined space. I KNOW if someone feels an inmminent danger, as a last resort, if RETREAT doesn't seem possible,, fighting for ones life is all kinds of reasonable,,, reasonable is removing the danger, not confronting it. really, if either of them would have talked the other into waiting for an officer to arrive, the outcome would be different |
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last I heard, ZImmerman was perfectly cognizant and aware, not 'knocked out'
but I guess it would be just as hard to scream for help while getting the pummeling as it would be to scream for help while doing the pummeling,,both would have to be exhausting,,, a person choosing not to fight someone posing an imminent threat to them, known or otherwise, is quite rational in my eyes if you have to ask why being from the hood makes a difference when calling 911, I don't know what to tell you. its not about how people are RAISED in that experience as much as it is what they SEE and EXPERIENCE everyday in their part of 'reality' and apparently Zimmerman didn't share your certainty about how 'cowards' can handle things,, considering he carried a loaded gun to follow a kid running from him and didn't want to speak on 911 what his address was in case the kid could hear him people can COME BACK With a crowd of their own,,, flight may not have been available to a reasonable person who kept turning around after making an exhausting effort to avoid someone, and still finds them there.... there is an attempt to use FLIGHT, which isn't working to get rid of the pursuer,, so then FIGHT becomes the next option,,, the only thing I agree is that IF both would wait for police, it may not have happened BUT, I have to tell you, I wouldn't feel compelled to wait for police when I was doing nothing wrong and trying to make it home to see something, just because some odd stranger followed me and asked me to,,,, |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Mon 07/01/13 05:04 PM
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Z's mistake was ,one to have a gun on himself, two not to have a second person there to back up your story. He had neither. on second thought, in Treyvons shoes, I don't think he made any mistake except to confront a pursuer who felt he was the law and happened to have a gun,,, |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Mon 07/01/13 05:08 PM
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Z's mistake was ,one to have a gun on himself, two not to have a second person there to back up your story. He had neither. on second thought, in Treyvons shoes, I don't think he made any mistake except to confront a pursuer who felt he was the law and happened to have a gun,,, Zs mistake was not taking the operators suggestion to let the police handle it corner a cat and its gonna fight, even if it wasn't doing anything wrong before you cornered it,,,, both had the right to be there that night, but Z was more threatening because he parked and LEFT his vehicle in pursuit of a complete stranger,,,,armed with a gun,,,, I have been in the situation wher someone exited their car and followed me,, when he grabbed me, I fought for my life too, though I wasn't strong enough to fight with him behind me ,, my fight and screaming did scare the coward off |
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last I heard, ZImmerman was perfectly cognizant and aware, not 'knocked out' but I guess it would be just as hard to scream for help while getting the pummeling as it would be to scream for help while doing the pummeling,,both would have to be exhausting,,, a person choosing not to fight someone posing an imminent threat to them, known or otherwise, is quite rational in my eyes exactly! choosing to fight was the wrong decision if you have to ask why being from the hood makes a difference when calling 911, I don't know what to tell you. you and i both know children in the hood are taught fear of the police its not about how people are RAISED in that experience as much as it is what they SEE and EXPERIENCE everyday in their part of 'reality' a child acts or reacts as they have been taught, unless they grow and independently choose a different way they have learned elsewhere and apparently Zimmerman didn't share your certainty about how 'cowards' can handle things,, considering he carried a loaded gun to follow a kid running from him and didn't want to speak on 911 what his address was in case the kid could hear him i don't know his motivation for carrying a gun, but i doubt he imagined he wouldn't use it people can COME BACK With a crowd of their own,,, flight may not have been available to a reasonable person who kept turning around after making an exhausting effort to avoid someone, and still finds them there.... we weren't there, but look at the scene. and if he was exhausted from fleeing, how would he have the energy to fist fight? leave the bias out, and try to form a more educated guess (as this is all anyone can do, guess) as to what could have happened there is an attempt to use FLIGHT, which isn't working to get rid of the pursuer,, so then FIGHT becomes the next option,,, why is fight the next option. seriously. there is a working cellular telephone available. there are plenty of other safe apartments available. come on now the only thing I agree is that IF both would wait for police, it may not have happened BUT, I have to tell you, I wouldn't feel compelled to wait for police when I was doing nothing wrong and trying to make it home to see something, just because some odd stranger followed me and asked me to,,,, if you are doing nothing wrong, waiting for police is a fine option. they can clear you, and possibly charge him it is tragic from all sides, and very hard to be impartial. you want to paint the picture of one being stronger, meaner, and more wrong than the other, while making excuses for the other. both made mistakes, and both made choices that ended two lives. hopefully the people will let justice prevail and end the bickering that has risen from this. put yourself in both shoes. wouldn't you want justice either way |
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