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Dodo_David's photo
Mon 06/17/13 03:25 PM





I actually READ EO's as opposed to making up my mind on others opiniions

I understand why noone can provide me an ACTUAL EO that conflicts with the constititution or doesnt do precisely what the definition says it does,,,


Its called 'legal ease' and good luck understanding it. That's why most congressmen don't even read the lengthy bills they sign and that's why we are in the mess we are in today.


yet, its understandable enough to declare that it conflicts with the constitution?

interesting,,


You don't understand your rights anyway. You have given the state permission to have authority over you in everything you do. You believe them when they say "its for your protection." So I'm talking to a wall here.

waving



alot of ad hominem responses with very little factual or logical debate,,,,

guess its become an irrelevant thread,,,,


Yep... it has become a waste of time for me because I realize that you are not of the mind to understand even what freedom means.

Did you read Conrad's post? Do you understand it? Do you agree on what he and me are talking about when we use the term "freedom" in the political context?




Jeannie, now all you are doing is using ad hominem against msharmony because she doesn't believe your claims.

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Mon 06/17/13 03:28 PM






I actually READ EO's as opposed to making up my mind on others opiniions

I understand why noone can provide me an ACTUAL EO that conflicts with the constititution or doesnt do precisely what the definition says it does,,,


Its called 'legal ease' and good luck understanding it. That's why most congressmen don't even read the lengthy bills they sign and that's why we are in the mess we are in today.


yet, its understandable enough to declare that it conflicts with the constitution?

interesting,,


You don't understand your rights anyway. You have given the state permission to have authority over you in everything you do. You believe them when they say "its for your protection." So I'm talking to a wall here.

waving



alot of ad hominem responses with very little factual or logical debate,,,,

guess its become an irrelevant thread,,,,


Yep... it has become a waste of time for me because I realize that you are not of the mind to understand even what freedom means.

Did you read Conrad's post? Do you understand it? Do you agree on what he and me are talking about when we use the term "freedom" in the political context?




Jeannie, now all you are doing is using ad hominem against msharmony because she doesn't believe your claims.


So what's your point? I'm done.

She can continue to live in la la land as far as I am concerned.


Dodo_David's photo
Mon 06/17/13 03:34 PM







I actually READ EO's as opposed to making up my mind on others opiniions

I understand why noone can provide me an ACTUAL EO that conflicts with the constititution or doesnt do precisely what the definition says it does,,,


Its called 'legal ease' and good luck understanding it. That's why most congressmen don't even read the lengthy bills they sign and that's why we are in the mess we are in today.


yet, its understandable enough to declare that it conflicts with the constitution?

interesting,,


You don't understand your rights anyway. You have given the state permission to have authority over you in everything you do. You believe them when they say "its for your protection." So I'm talking to a wall here.

waving



alot of ad hominem responses with very little factual or logical debate,,,,

guess its become an irrelevant thread,,,,


Yep... it has become a waste of time for me because I realize that you are not of the mind to understand even what freedom means.

Did you read Conrad's post? Do you understand it? Do you agree on what he and me are talking about when we use the term "freedom" in the political context?




Jeannie, now all you are doing is using ad hominem against msharmony because she doesn't believe your claims.


So what's your point? I'm done.

She can continue to live in la la land as far as I am concerned.


whoa

Toodygirl5's photo
Mon 06/17/13 04:06 PM


he's the worst liar in the history of the presidency,




I doubt that! laugh

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Mon 06/17/13 04:17 PM



he's the worst liar in the history of the presidency,




I doubt that! laugh


Its just an estimate. laugh

mightymoe's photo
Mon 06/17/13 07:23 PM



he's the worst liar in the history of the presidency,




I doubt that! laugh


all i can say is name a bigger liar.... don't say bush, because barry has him beat, and i can prove it...

mightymoe's photo
Mon 06/17/13 07:25 PM



Executive orders are official documents, numbered consecutively, through which the President of the United States manages the operations of the Federal Government


That is not all they are.

Executive Orders are controversial because they allow the President to make major decisions, even law, without the consent of Congress.

This, of course, runs against the general logic of the Constitution -- that no one should have power to act unilaterally.


what are the sources of these explanations?

and can I Get an example of an ACTUAL EO That conflicts with the constititution?


really? drones killing people in countries that we are not at war with is within the constitution?

msharmony's photo
Mon 06/17/13 09:12 PM
Edited by msharmony on Mon 06/17/13 09:13 PM
what do you think our military does?



I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies,

it doesnt say just 'goverments',,,,

they have come up with a more efficient way with less innocent loss of life, including our soldiers,,,,,,

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Mon 06/17/13 11:08 PM

what do you think our military does?



I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies,

it doesnt say just 'goverments',,,,

they have come up with a more efficient way with less innocent loss of life, including our soldiers,,,,,,



To be more honest, the oath should be this one:

I, (name) do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Crown (corporation) against all enemies, and follow orders without question or conscience.

Drones: Computer games that kill (assassinate) real people.


mightymoe's photo
Tue 06/18/13 08:20 AM
Edited by mightymoe on Tue 06/18/13 08:22 AM

what do you think our military does?



I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies,

it doesnt say just 'goverments',,,,

they have come up with a more efficient way with less innocent loss of life, including our soldiers,,,,,,


so let me get this straight... you think that using military aircraft, flying into other nations boundaries and killing their citizens is something thats withing the constitution? what if China decided decided to send drones here and kill people? would that be ok?


edit... not to mention they are arming the same terrorist they are killing...

msharmony's photo
Tue 06/18/13 08:52 AM


what do you think our military does?


I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies,

it doesnt say just 'goverments',,,,

they have come up with a more efficient way with less innocent loss of life, including our soldiers,,,,,,


so let me get this straight... you think that using military aircraft, flying into other nations boundaries and killing their citizens is something thats withing the constitution? what if China decided decided to send drones here and kill people? would that be ok?


edit... not to mention they are arming the same terrorist they are killing...



I know th emeans of 'protecting' the constitution from enemies is not specifically outlined in the constitution

I know wars and killing in the name of 'protecting' from terrorists, and oppressive forces is nothing new

all thats new is technology has found a way to do it with less of a risk of the life of so many bystanders and 'innocents'

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Tue 06/18/13 08:53 AM


what do you think our military does?



I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies,

it doesnt say just 'goverments',,,,

they have come up with a more efficient way with less innocent loss of life, including our soldiers,,,,,,


so let me get this straight... you think that using military aircraft, flying into other nations boundaries and killing their citizens is something thats withing the constitution? what if China decided decided to send drones here and kill people? would that be ok?


edit... not to mention they are arming the same terrorist they are killing...
Lots of AK-47 produced in them there old USA!bigsmile

mightymoe's photo
Tue 06/18/13 02:15 PM



what do you think our military does?



I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies,

it doesnt say just 'goverments',,,,

they have come up with a more efficient way with less innocent loss of life, including our soldiers,,,,,,


so let me get this straight... you think that using military aircraft, flying into other nations boundaries and killing their citizens is something thats withing the constitution? what if China decided decided to send drones here and kill people? would that be ok?


edit... not to mention they are arming the same terrorist they are killing...
Lots of AK-47 produced in them there old USA!bigsmile


even russia sees this as a problem... we are at war with terrorists, but now we decide to arm the same terrorists?

sounds like barry is doing a bang up job in there... i guess people forgot about poor ole ollie north...

mightymoe's photo
Tue 06/18/13 02:17 PM



what do you think our military does?



I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies,

it doesnt say just 'goverments',,,,

they have come up with a more efficient way with less innocent loss of life, including our soldiers,,,,,,


so let me get this straight... you think that using military aircraft, flying into other nations boundaries and killing their citizens is something thats withing the constitution? what if China decided decided to send drones here and kill people? would that be ok?


edit... not to mention they are arming the same terrorist they are killing...



I know th emeans of 'protecting' the constitution from enemies is not specifically outlined in the constitution

I know wars and killing in the name of 'protecting' from terrorists, and oppressive forces is nothing new

all thats new is technology has found a way to do it with less of a risk of the life of so many bystanders and 'innocents'



i guess king barry can do no wrong in your eyes... how sad

Conrad_73's photo
Tue 06/18/13 02:57 PM



wikipedia is one source, but not necessarily the authority as its an anonymously written one,,with no real oversight of its veracity

from wikipedia itself:
Wikipedia is written collaboratively by largely anonymous Internet volunteers who write without pay. Anyone with Internet access can write and make changes to Wikipedia articles, except in limited cases where editing is restricted to prevent disruption or vandalism. Users can contribute anonymously, under a pseudonym, or, if they choose to, with their real identity
I am usually just as interested in the external Links on WIKI as I am in the Article itself!

msharmony's photo
Tue 06/18/13 05:12 PM




what do you think our military does?



I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies,

it doesnt say just 'goverments',,,,

they have come up with a more efficient way with less innocent loss of life, including our soldiers,,,,,,


so let me get this straight... you think that using military aircraft, flying into other nations boundaries and killing their citizens is something thats withing the constitution? what if China decided decided to send drones here and kill people? would that be ok?


edit... not to mention they are arming the same terrorist they are killing...



I know th emeans of 'protecting' the constitution from enemies is not specifically outlined in the constitution

I know wars and killing in the name of 'protecting' from terrorists, and oppressive forces is nothing new

all thats new is technology has found a way to do it with less of a risk of the life of so many bystanders and 'innocents'



i guess king barry can do no wrong in your eyes... how sad


not really, contrary to popular belief, most of his supporters NEVER considered him some God who would singlehandedly turn everything around and make no mistakes of bad choices,,, we likewise arent convinced he is some demon out to destroy america or its constitution,,,,lol


I can name decisions he has made that I dont agree with,,,,but I cant buy into the mentality that blames him for EVERY thing anyone in government does,, all the way down to state patrols,,,lol

mightymoe's photo
Tue 06/18/13 06:32 PM





what do you think our military does?



I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies,

it doesnt say just 'goverments',,,,

they have come up with a more efficient way with less innocent loss of life, including our soldiers,,,,,,


so let me get this straight... you think that using military aircraft, flying into other nations boundaries and killing their citizens is something thats withing the constitution? what if China decided decided to send drones here and kill people? would that be ok?


edit... not to mention they are arming the same terrorist they are killing...



I know th emeans of 'protecting' the constitution from enemies is not specifically outlined in the constitution

I know wars and killing in the name of 'protecting' from terrorists, and oppressive forces is nothing new

all thats new is technology has found a way to do it with less of a risk of the life of so many bystanders and 'innocents'



i guess king barry can do no wrong in your eyes... how sad


not really, contrary to popular belief, most of his supporters NEVER considered him some God who would singlehandedly turn everything around and make no mistakes of bad choices,,, we likewise arent convinced he is some demon out to destroy america or its constitution,,,,lol


I can name decisions he has made that I dont agree with,,,,but I cant buy into the mentality that blames him for EVERY thing anyone in government does,, all the way down to state patrols,,,lol



i guess you don't remember the bush era... who was blamed then? (for everything)
the captain goes down with the ship, it seems...

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Tue 06/18/13 06:54 PM



well this looks rather promising, doesn't it?

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57572177/national-debt-up-$6-trillion-since-obama-took-office/

I'm sure he will work to reduce it, right after his vacation to Africa, which has an estimated price tag of 100 million dollars.

How many of you guys can afford a vacation?

And to clarify, it is relevant, as it is homeland security, and the 'president' is using that for his personal agenda.


thats what i was trying to point out... if obama wants my respesct, then he needs to start doing something to make the country better, with more jobs. I don't care who's fault it is, the country needs help, and i fail to see how going to Africa/Ireland or anywhere else is helping...


Presidents do not singlehandedly or solely create jobs,,, not being able to see how international relations HELPS America,, seems a personal issue to m e



Responsible presidents, would not take 100 million dollar vacations when the country is somewhere near 17 trillion in debt, if not more.

msharmony's photo
Tue 06/18/13 07:57 PM






what do you think our military does?



I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies,

it doesnt say just 'goverments',,,,

they have come up with a more efficient way with less innocent loss of life, including our soldiers,,,,,,


so let me get this straight... you think that using military aircraft, flying into other nations boundaries and killing their citizens is something thats withing the constitution? what if China decided decided to send drones here and kill people? would that be ok?


edit... not to mention they are arming the same terrorist they are killing...



I know th emeans of 'protecting' the constitution from enemies is not specifically outlined in the constitution

I know wars and killing in the name of 'protecting' from terrorists, and oppressive forces is nothing new

all thats new is technology has found a way to do it with less of a risk of the life of so many bystanders and 'innocents'



i guess king barry can do no wrong in your eyes... how sad


not really, contrary to popular belief, most of his supporters NEVER considered him some God who would singlehandedly turn everything around and make no mistakes of bad choices,,, we likewise arent convinced he is some demon out to destroy america or its constitution,,,,lol


I can name decisions he has made that I dont agree with,,,,but I cant buy into the mentality that blames him for EVERY thing anyone in government does,, all the way down to state patrols,,,lol



i guess you don't remember the bush era... who was blamed then? (for everything)
the captain goes down with the ship, it seems...



I remember the reagan era,, and all the convictions, but he is still Revered,,,

well, perhaps, in another decades time,,,,,history will be every bit as gracious to this president,,,

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Tue 06/18/13 07:59 PM




well this looks rather promising, doesn't it?

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57572177/national-debt-up-$6-trillion-since-obama-took-office/

I'm sure he will work to reduce it, right after his vacation to Africa, which has an estimated price tag of 100 million dollars.

How many of you guys can afford a vacation?

And to clarify, it is relevant, as it is homeland security, and the 'president' is using that for his personal agenda.


thats what i was trying to point out... if obama wants my respesct, then he needs to start doing something to make the country better, with more jobs. I don't care who's fault it is, the country needs help, and i fail to see how going to Africa/Ireland or anywhere else is helping...


Presidents do not singlehandedly or solely create jobs,,, not being able to see how international relations HELPS America,, seems a personal issue to m e



Responsible presidents, would not take 100 million dollar vacations when the country is somewhere near 17 trillion in debt, if not more.



a 'vacation' huh?


ok, keep drinking the kool aid,,,,