right on, babe

I demand the government pass and enforce laws forbidding the government from passing and enforcing laws where they get involved with our private sex lives!

Constitutionally speaking, every "type" of marriage between consenting adults should be permitted and recognized as a legally binding contract in every state in the union



what part of the constitution says this...?


the constitution says nothing about marriage or marriage being a 'right'


marriage is, legally speaking, a contract involving sexual consummation




actually, I believe the constitutional argument would only be that the states should be able to define state sanctioned marriage,,,,,as this is not an explicit function of 'congress'.....

Government Benefits

This is one of the largest reasons to get married, because the government provides a lot of benefits exclusively to married couples. A small sample of these benefits include Social Security benefits, health care benefits, nursing home care, and unpaid leave from your job to care for family members. Federal benefits are not available to same-sex married couples for the most part, but benefits may be available under state law.

Typically, legal marriage is the most reliable way to become a citizen in the U.S.

One of the effects of marriage's joint property status is that if you divorce, regardless of who is at fault, both partners are often entitled to half of the property accumulated during the marriage, depending on whether the divorce occurs in a community property state. Note that this also applies to liability for debts.

Married couples also have a right to seek alimony, whereas unmarried couples may have to account for this in a pre-marriage agreement

Everything you've said is ridiculous. Now, I can talk about my great state....what we need and don't need. You don't have any right.

I don't have any right to do what?
Talk about Wisconsin?

I'm not really talking about Wisconsin in particular.

Any state that still has any laws against what two consenting adults can do in private needs to come into this century. You are the one who brought Wisconsin into the subject of this thread.

This thread is not about who you should be able to have sex with, its about SAME SEX MARRIAGE.



You are so territorial.

Thats my POINT Harmony!..There is NO mention of marriage anywhere in the Constitution...According to the 9th and 10th amendments, any power that is NOT explicitly given to the federal government in the Constitution is reserved for the people and/or the states....Constitutionally speaking, gay men and women have EXACTLY the same rights as straight men and women...

You aren't very good at fallacies--strange since you use a list of them quite frequently. The topic is clearly about the goal of having every state cave in to others' views from different states. That is what is ridiculous. I vote in my state. You do not vote in my state. Get that through your head. Now, when you use words like "should" and "need", it leaves no room for any type of conceptualization whatsoever and everyone knows that's insane.

So, instead of *****-footing around like a little girl, why don't you just go ahead and proclaim that you're just as biased and bigoted as anyone. You want people to think one thing, to see one thing, to end all thought and submit. That's never going to happen no matter what laws there are. Sorry, but that's just pure fantasy.

If you haven't noticed, take a look at the crime rate for my great state, then go ahead and make with that sarcastic laugh emoticon thingy.

what are you hiding?

People can think anything they want, no one is gonna say they can't, but what they CAN'T or at least SHOULDN'T be able to do is impact public policy and what a person can or can't do irrespective of them through those thoughts. No one should have a right to tell someone else how to live simply because they don't like it. That's where your right ends where theirs begin. It's really that simple. You don't have to like it, you don't have to agree with it, but unless there is proof of harm to you directly, you cannot tell them to stop it or force them to.

I don't agree with mainstream religion and churches, but I cannot tell you you can't be a part of them just because I disagree. We either live in a society where we ALL have rights or no one does, because once you allow one's to be taken away you open the door for yours to be taken as well. If we value our rights at all, we will protect them all not just the ones that suit us. Otherwise, we are asking for them to be removed completely.

I don't know what you are talking about or why you have taken to making this subject about me.






Really? You should read the original O.P. I don't see how it is about that at all. You seem to be reading a lot into something that simply is not there.



Voting is just giving someone else the permission to govern you. I don't vote in any State, but has nothing to do with why I feel your statement is ridiculous. It is ridiculous because you think gay sex needs to be 'legalized.'




I don't vote in any state.



My opinion is simply my opinion. I'm really sorry you have a problem with it.

Back to the subject or your remark, I have a question. Does Wisconsin have laws on the books making gay sex illegal?




Well, I'm sure I am probably considered biased on many topics.

But your statement about "The day they legalize gay sex in Wisconsin.." is still pretty ridiculous.

(Again, is gay sex illegal in Wisconsin?)




How would you have a clue about what I want people to think? Are you even talking to me, or are you talking to yourself? Where are you getting all these assumptions anyway?




Okay I am going to assume that you live in Wisconsin as you keep referring to "my great state."

So you live and vote in Wisconsin and you don't think they will legalize gay marriage because they are so Christian and moral and you think the crime rate is low and probably because of that.

But I don't see that the crime rate in Wisconsin is special or low at all. It has more robbery than most states, and more forcible rape and murder than California and some others according to this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_cities_by_crime_rate

Why the he ll is gay marriage and cranberry juice mentioned in the same sentence? If it's meant as a slur against the homosexual culture it's a lame a$s one. If belittling others puts a feather in your cap, atleast be original.

Hello there. I suppose you've never seen The Departed.

If this and if that? I can play that game as well. If you were a banana I would want to peel and eat you. If you smelled like barn I wouldn't sit next to you. If one loves asking questions, one might want to wait for the answers.

I'm not sure you realize fully why people take stances and vote. They exercise their rights as well as voicing their opinions with their own greater life prospects and so forth in mind. Not doing so does not indicate any type of acquiescence. This is not a society, it is a culture of many different societies. To think the entire country is of common means for common ends is incorrect. In this particular neck of the woods, we feel that the greatest thing to be protected is the traditional family.... the single greatest. By popular vote, we banned same-sex marriage. Seen? Rights.

I rest my case. I knew I'd get it out of you somehow. Consider yourself owned.

all these things could be taken care of with a 'registered partnership',,,I think thats a great idea of giving the same equal CIVIL Rights without being involved with the sexual relations or lack of sexual relations

this would also be great for people abstaining but who are close to a family member and wish to join lives and assets for their kids

or for those who are single parents and want to join assets and lives with a family member that they have known and trusted instead of some possibly fleeting sexual partnership...

they sure do, to marry a woman if they are a man or a man if they are a woman.....

constitution doesnt mention special consideration of 'sexual preference'....

No one has true rights if someone else can take them away on a whim. Rights cannot be taken away, if they can be they are no longer rights.

This is the flaw in a democratic society, it only protects those with the votes, it doesn't protect everyone. It's like a sheep and 2 wolves deciding what's for dinner, the lone sheep loses out. That's not the America, not the world I prefer to live in. What a person can or cannot do in their private lives should never come down to a vote.

You even say it yourself, we are a culture of many different societies......why are we trying to force everyone to act according to one?

I say, let the homosexuals get married as long as one wears a wedding dress and that they serve cranberry juice cocktails at the reception.

You should start a wedding arranging service I am sure you have plenty of ideas as to what men should wear and drink.