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There should be a gender gap because men are made differently than women. Men should be a leader and the woman a help mate. Most Women show emotions differently than most men. Many men cook and clean house and do other duties for decades now, so that is left to the Couple involved. Many women have better paying jobs than some Men do. However, that does not make women like a Man. Male and Female are made different still. Jmho
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There should be a gender gap because men are made differently than women. Men should be a leader and the woman a help mate. Most Women show emotions differently than most men. Many men cook and clean house and do other duties for decades now, so that is left to the Couple involved. Many women have better paying jobs than some Men do. However, that does not make women like a Man. Male and Female are made different still. Jmho One item that you failed to mention or perhaps aren't aware of and that is more and more male celebreties are publically wearing skirts and dresses; such as Prince Philip, of course who relies on the fashion fact that his skirt is called a kilt, but then what about Marc Jacobs or Sean "P. Diddy" Combs. Kanye West and even ,(OMG!) Vin Diesel!  Seems that the more prominent a known male personality becomes, the more apt he is to start wearing what were usually fit for women only; is there a correlation between male fame and dressing in drag??? Who else might we all see in the pubic domain dressed out what used to be called 'drag'; is it possibly contagious to other non-famous males; might we one day get pulled over by an Alabama State Trooper wearing a light summer dress with a flowered print blouse and his Stetson and shades...My mind reels at all the possibilities...
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There should be a gender gap because men are made differently than women. Men should be a leader and the woman a help mate. Most Women show emotions differently than most men. Many men cook and clean house and do other duties for decades now, so that is left to the Couple involved. Many women have better paying jobs than some Men do. However, that does not make women like a Man. Male and Female are made different still. Jmho One item that you failed to mention or perhaps aren't aware of and that is more and more male celebreties are publically wearing skirts and dresses; such as Prince Philip, of course who relies on the fashion fact that his skirt is called a kilt, but then what about Marc Jacobs or Sean "P. Diddy" Combs. Kanye West and even ,(OMG!) Vin Diesel! Seems that the more prominent a known male personality becomes, the more apt he is to start wearing what were usually fit for women only; is there a correlation between male fame and dressing in drag??? Who else might we all see in the pubic domain dressed out what used to be called 'drag'; is it possibly contagious to other non-famous males; might we one day get pulled over by an Alabama State Trooper wearing a light summer dress with a flowered print blouse and his Stetson and shades...My mind reels at all the possibilities...
Dude, the kilt is not a skirt. You owe an apology to the members of the Black Watch. 
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Edited by
indianadave4
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Mon 03/25/13 01:39 PM
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Is the chasm even all that open anymore? I mean, I can cook better than half of my exes....and most of them made at least an equal living professionally...and several...more. By now we all know that women are MUCH more crude than men when they get to BS'n with friends lol. Any thoughts or examples? women have fought long and hard to be seen as the same as men,,, and its mostly changed the culture to encourage them to be equally dishonest, equally ruthless, equally selfish, equally promiscuous,,,etc,,, I dont see the behavior as having as much of a gap anymore,, but I Wish it did there is , however, still the gap in how many MEN view women,albeit changing whereas I believe the culture once encouraged men to cherish and protect and provide for women and children it is now become an everyone is the same pandoras box, where too many men feel no bond/duty whatsoever to their female counterparts,,although they do have a long list of duties the females should have towards them in terms of subjugation and oppression and 'second class' status, the gap is still there far too often,,, on another site I visit there is a man who persistently argues that feminism has had the effect of enslaving women. what I do not understand is why women (we) cannot still be feminine and desire the masculine protector of our heart...even if we can do some tasks that are traditionally masculine? I have long held that feminism may have done more harm than good, only because it was an unbalanced effort women tried to change the perception of their capacities,,, to extend them, but they never balanced that by trying to adjust what was expected of men to compliment those capacities so we didnt go from caretaker and homemaker who couldnt work, we went to caretaker and homemaker who is EXPECTED to also work while men continued to just have the one expectation,, make a paycheck we brought more upon ourself, instead of strengthening family and relationship by strengthening the expectation of actual PARTNERSHIP as opposed to the current wonderwoman/provider culture we have developed where women should spend their time trying to do it all, for the purpose of pleasing men and looking good all the while and men , should earn a check and then do whatever the hell they feel with the rest of their time,, our communities, families, society is slowly decaying as a result of this and many other 'self empowering' campaigns(IMHO) During the late 60's and into the early 70's Women's Liberation faught for equal opportunity, not how can they undermine men. During the middle to late 70's Women's Liberation was taken over by an ever increasingly radical interest group. Many women want equal opportunity but dislike the radical feminist approach that the media gives attention to. |
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Women are like Wi-Fi. They're everywhere and no one will tell me the password.
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Is the chasm even all that open anymore? I mean, I can cook better than half of my exes....and most of them made at least an equal living professionally...and several...more. By now we all know that women are MUCH more crude than men when they get to BS'n with friends lol. Any thoughts or examples? A couple of years ago I changed a tire on a car for an insurance salesMAN...so yeah, I'd call that a narrowing gap. 
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A couple of years ago I changed a tire on a car for an insurance salesMAN...so yeah, I'd call that a narrowing gap.
You should have run him over. He'll be calling you right before you go to bed now or just before you are supposed to get up with great information on a new policy you just CAN'T pass up! |
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"Proverbial Bacon".......giggle 
bacon is nectar of the Gods, and well deserving of a proverb |
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A couple of years ago I changed a tire on a car for an insurance salesMAN...so yeah, I'd call that a narrowing gap.
You should have run him over. He'll be calling you right before you go to bed now or just before you are supposed to get up with great information on a new policy you just CAN'T pass up! I was pulling the spare out of his trunk when he asked me who my insurance provider was, and I asked him if he wanted his tire changed or not?
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Edited by
sweetestgirl11
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Is the chasm even all that open anymore? I mean, I can cook better than half of my exes....and most of them made at least an equal living professionally...and several...more. By now we all know that women are MUCH more crude than men when they get to BS'n with friends lol. Any thoughts or examples? women have fought long and hard to be seen as the same as men,,, and its mostly changed the culture to encourage them to be equally dishonest, equally ruthless, equally selfish, equally promiscuous,,,etc,,, I dont see the behavior as having as much of a gap anymore,, but I Wish it did there is , however, still the gap in how many MEN view women,albeit changing whereas I believe the culture once encouraged men to cherish and protect and provide for women and children it is now become an everyone is the same pandoras box, where too many men feel no bond/duty whatsoever to their female counterparts,,although they do have a long list of duties the females should have towards them in terms of subjugation and oppression and 'second class' status, the gap is still there far too often,,, on another site I visit there is a man who persistently argues that feminism has had the effect of enslaving women. what I do not understand is why women (we) cannot still be feminine and desire the masculine protector of our heart...even if we can do some tasks that are traditionally masculine? I have long held that feminism may have done more harm than good, only because it was an unbalanced effort women tried to change the perception of their capacities,,, to extend them, but they never balanced that by trying to adjust what was expected of men to compliment those capacities so we didnt go from caretaker and homemaker who couldnt work, we went to caretaker and homemaker who is EXPECTED to also work while men continued to just have the one expectation,, make a paycheck we brought more upon ourself, instead of strengthening family and relationship by strengthening the expectation of actual PARTNERSHIP as opposed to the current wonderwoman/provider culture we have developed where women should spend their time trying to do it all, for the purpose of pleasing men and looking good all the while and men , should earn a check and then do whatever the hell they feel with the rest of their time,, our communities, families, society is slowly decaying as a result of this and many other 'self empowering' campaigns(IMHO) well I do agree that the "unbalanced" aspect has probably contributed to a fair share of divorces when women feel over burdened, but I think it is up to men to pick up an equal share of child rearing & household duties when their wives work, we should not have to explain that to them or "tell" them what to do. The last thing a woman who works FT and had a household needs is another "child." I think a lot of men do show more appreciation and responsibility than this, but the issues you have raised are one of my biggest concerns about remarriage and I think feminism is a good thing because it brought some inequities to light and gave women options. Rome wasn't built in a day... |
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Is the chasm even all that open anymore? I mean, I can cook better than half of my exes....and most of them made at least an equal living professionally...and several...more. By now we all know that women are MUCH more crude than men when they get to BS'n with friends lol. Any thoughts or examples? women have fought long and hard to be seen as the same as men,,, and its mostly changed the culture to encourage them to be equally dishonest, equally ruthless, equally selfish, equally promiscuous,,,etc,,, I dont see the behavior as having as much of a gap anymore,, but I Wish it did there is , however, still the gap in how many MEN view women,albeit changing whereas I believe the culture once encouraged men to cherish and protect and provide for women and children it is now become an everyone is the same pandoras box, where too many men feel no bond/duty whatsoever to their female counterparts,,although they do have a long list of duties the females should have towards them in terms of subjugation and oppression and 'second class' status, the gap is still there far too often,,, on another site I visit there is a man who persistently argues that feminism has had the effect of enslaving women. what I do not understand is why women (we) cannot still be feminine and desire the masculine protector of our heart...even if we can do some tasks that are traditionally masculine? I have long held that feminism may have done more harm than good, only because it was an unbalanced effort women tried to change the perception of their capacities,,, to extend them, but they never balanced that by trying to adjust what was expected of men to compliment those capacities so we didnt go from caretaker and homemaker who couldnt work, we went to caretaker and homemaker who is EXPECTED to also work while men continued to just have the one expectation,, make a paycheck we brought more upon ourself, instead of strengthening family and relationship by strengthening the expectation of actual PARTNERSHIP as opposed to the current wonderwoman/provider culture we have developed where women should spend their time trying to do it all, for the purpose of pleasing men and looking good all the while and men , should earn a check and then do whatever the hell they feel with the rest of their time,, our communities, families, society is slowly decaying as a result of this and many other 'self empowering' campaigns(IMHO) During the late 60's and into the early 70's Women's Liberation faught for equal opportunity, not how can they undermine men. During the middle to late 70's Women's Liberation was taken over by an ever increasingly radical interest group. Many women want equal opportunity but dislike the radical feminist approach that the media gives attention to. right the original idea was to equalize things like equal pay for equal work, equal opportunity in some traditionally male fields like medicine and law....better child care so women could pursue higher education and employment. All good things. Early feminism taught us to believe in ourselves, that we are valuable as people and that we could make our own decisions. I am not sure when or where the male bashing started as I was not a party to that. But in my college days most men I knew - including my oldfashioned traditional father - supported the equalities women strove to achieve, Our male friends were proud of us. I think issues evolved later as it related to marriage and how household chores were to be divided up. jmho |
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If the brains of women were 100% identical to the brains of men, then closing a perceived "gender gap" may be an achievable goal. However, medical science has discovered differences between the brains of women and the brains of men.
Also, an alleged "gender gap" may be due to what people think they need in order to rise in social status. Men and women alike seek glory for themselves, and if they think that won't obtain self-glory by being stay-at-home parents, then they may seek self-glory by seeking various kinds of high-paying jobs. If a woman sees a man obtaining the glory that she wants, then she might resent the man. |
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If the brains of women were 100% identical to the brains of men, then closing a perceived "gender gap" may be an achievable goal. However, medical science has discovered differences between the brains of women and the brains of men. Also, an alleged "gender gap" may be due to what people think they need in order to rise in social status. Men and women alike seek glory for themselves, and if they think that won't obtain self-glory by being stay-at-home parents, then they may seek self-glory by seeking various kinds of high-paying jobs. If a woman sees a man obtaining the glory that she wants, then she might resent the man. That's scary...you just described my ex. |
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If the brains of women were 100% identical to the brains of men, then closing a perceived "gender gap" may be an achievable goal. However, medical science has discovered differences between the brains of women and the brains of men. Also, an alleged "gender gap" may be due to what people think they need in order to rise in social status. Men and women alike seek glory for themselves, and if they think that won't obtain self-glory by being stay-at-home parents, then they may seek self-glory by seeking various kinds of high-paying jobs. If a woman sees a man obtaining the glory that she wants, then she might resent the man. That's scary...you just described my ex. You should be thankful that she isn't my ex-. She gave me a scar on my left arm by cutting me. Her next husband wasn't so lucky. She shot him. |
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You should be thankful that she isn't my ex-. She gave me a scar on my left arm by cutting me. Her next husband wasn't so lucky. She shot him. The woman I was with prior to my ex skewered my hand with a meat fork right to the coffee table. I had to pry it out and go to the emergency room. |
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Women are like Wi-Fi. They're everywhere and no one will tell me the password.
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Years ago I read a book called "Women's Reality" by Anne Wilson Schaef Ph.D...The book discussed how women try to "prove" themselves in a world previously dominated by men...And some women stay in the "prove" mode indefinitely. They do what it takes to "get ahead" and "prove" that they are "just as good" or even "better" than men...They live in a world that revolves around competition and "back-stabbing." (If need be.)...In the book the author discusses how some women get tired of living in this type of reality and want something else. They long for some type of "middle-ground" where they don't have to act "tough" and "macho" all the time but don't have to go back to the old traditional ways either...Women like this create a new reality and a new "sense of being" for themselves that isn't about "acting" or "proving" or playing out assigned roles. (Of any kind.).. But it takes a lot of internal security to get to this "place." And some men are shedding their "old skin" and looking for something else (and new) too.
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My ex was like this and I've noticed a lot of women are just like her; more like a she-man than a woman. It's a complete and utter turn off for me. The loss of lady-like qualities I have always admired and am attracted to seem to be slowly disappearing. It's a shame really.
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I am finding that it can be just as hard to ask for help as it is to ask if others need help when it comes to coworkers where we have equal status. Always playing to hero can get your back in bad shape. There is nothing really to prove and the 'act' can get old after a while. I mean really; How long can one keep it up before one is either feels like they are doing it all themselves or feel like the other is carrying the whole load and really doesn't need them?
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My ex was like this and I've noticed a lot of women are just like her; more like a she-man than a woman. It's a complete and utter turn off for me. The loss of lady-like qualities I have always admired and am attracted to seem to be slowly disappearing. It's a shame really. Don't you think a woman can poses every ladylike quality women have ever posessed and still be capable of doing things that are considered "man tasks"? Or does a woman fixing her own leaky pipe under her sink make her a "she-man? I'm just curious what qualifies a woman as a "she-man"? |
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