prove? whats there to prove? hit yourself in the head with a hammer and tell me what happens... an illusion won't hurt...

From what little I know of physics, I agree with you. Maxwell's equations seem to prove it.

Again, you are getting things backwards. Nobody has to prove you wrong. Instead you have to prove yourself to be correct.

It is one thing to present time as being a measurement (a metric).
It is another thing to claim that light has no speed.

Your argument fails because you insist that time must be a tangible object (such as matter or energy) in order for light to have a speed.

You have not proven that all of the experiments measuring the speed of light were false.

You have yet to explain how light can have no speed and still move. If light moves, then it has speed. If light didn't move, then we would not have the ability to see anything.

Also, you keep saying that Einstein said this or that, as if he denied that light had speed. Please cite the work in which Einstein made such a denial.

Einstein's Energy-Equation depends on the Speed of Light,so I doubt very much he ever made a Statement to the contrary!

I already have by the mere fact that no one has been able to prove that time has any kind of objective existence, or explained or described exactly what that is. If time exists, what are its attributes?




These may be two different things but they are intimately related.
Yes, time is a measurement. It is a man made mental concept that uses matter and space. Agreed?




In a round about way yes, your are correct, because the current concept and measurements of time would not even exist without matter and space because we use matter and space to create our time system.
Matter and space exist within this vacuum we call our universe. It is like a bubble.



It is not my intention to prove such a thing, and not my point at all. My only point is very simple. Light, in its natural state, outside of a vaccuum, influenced by nothing else, has no speed and does not move.






I will see if I can explain it differently.

Within this vacuum bubble we call our universe we do have what we call "matter" and matter creates and warps what we call "space" and we have gravity and light.

Through this vacuum, light does move and its speed can be measured. Light moves because it is effected by gravity and forces or pressure within the vacuum.

However, light in its natural state, would have no speed. It only has frequency. Just like water in a cup has no speed. It just sits there. Water in a water fall has a measurable speed as gravity acts on it.

Gravity also acts on light in a vacuum.

Light moves within a vacuum. Our universe is a vacuum, inside of this universe, which is a vacuum bubble, light moves because of the gravity and the vacuum.

Gravity has not been completely figured out by scientists, but it must be pretty stable and constant because the speed of light is stable and constant.

I will reword my statement:

Light within this universe (a vacuum) does move and has a constant speed.

But light in its natural state would have no speed. Speed is not an attribute of light. The speed of light depends on the forces acting upon it within the vacuum. As long as the vacuum remains stable, the speed of light within the vacuum will remain stable.

If the maximum speed of light were to change, we are probably in big trouble as it could be the end of the universe. It would mean that the vacuum bubble was changing or had a leak. That would mean the universe and everything in it would disappear or be destroyed.





I think Einstein knew that the speed of light exists within this vacuum universe and is only constant because gravity is constant.

But he also knew that the nature of reality is not what we think it is.

We "see" with our minds. When I sleep, I sleep in a totally dark room. My eyes are closed. I see an entire universe in my dreams and there is light and darkness there. So what we see has nothing to do with light. It is our minds and our consciousness that "sees."

How fast do you suppose the light in my dreams travels?

I completely agree with this......."Matter does not exist either.

The Higgs bosen, which is supposed to be a particle of matter and the building block of matter, does not exist as matter.

Everything is just vibration and energy in different forms.

This reality is in more illusion than real. What we see and feel are interpretations and reflections of the mind.


Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one."

Yet, when you are awake and have your eyes open, everything that you see is the result of light moving, and if it moves, then it has a speed.

I wish you would read my other post.

But I think we could see whether or not light has speed. We "see" with our minds.

The only thing that moves fast is our vibration and the speed of our vibrations takes us into different dimensions. They say that we are moving into the 4th dimension now.

Kind of but not really lol

http://youtu.be/HOgXmsdnKJQ

no, our minds interpret what we see... by light proton hitting the backs of our eyeballs...

In a lucid dream you can "see" things while asleep in a dark room.
A hypnotist can cause you to "see" things that are not there.
An Hallucination can be "seen" and may be indistinguishable from "reality."

From the point of view of the person seeing these things, they may seem real.

When you awaken or when you are no longer hypnotized, or when your doctor tells you that what you are seeing is "not real" that does not change the experience of "seeing."

Lucid dreams can seem very real. Hypnotic suggestion can cause you to see and remember things that seem real. Hallucinations can seem real.

Take your pick of what is real because "seeing" is not always believing.

We all believe that what we see is real, if we all agree that it is real.

Are UFO's real when some people can see them and other people can't?

You decide what is real. Ultimately we decide what to call 'real."

"Quantum Entanglement" sounds like my last relationship.

Please read this.

It is very interesting.

(The ref link is at the bottom of the snippet.)

(Note the bold area below)


The Reality of Light

In proposing his theory Einstein postulated that the speed of light was a universal constant. However fast you may be moving relative to a light beam, you will always measure the speed of light to be the same -- 186,000 miles per second. Even if you are moving at 99% the speed of light, a light will still appear to travel past you at 186,000 miles per second.

Although this is totally counter-intuitive, experiments show that it does indeed seem to be the case. This raises two difficult questions: How come the speed is always the same? And why is light so special? When we distinguish the image of reality from the underlying reality, the apparent constancy of the speed of light takes on a very different nature.

According to Einstein's equations, as an observer's speed increases, time slows down, and space (in the direction of motion) contracts. At the speed of light, time has slowed to a standstill and space contracted to a point. Although no object with mass can ever attain the speed of light (Einstein's equations predict that it would then have an infinite mass), light itself does (by definition) travel at the speed of light. [BUT] From light's point of view it has traveled no distance, and has taken no time to do so.

This reflects a unique property of light. In the spacetime continuum there is no separation between the emission of a light ray and its absorption. What Einstein called the "spacetime interval" bewtween the two ends of a light ray is always zero.

How should we understand this? The answer is that we probably should not even try to understand it. Any attempt to do so would once again fall into the mistake of applying concepts derived from our image of reality to the underlying reality. All we need to recognize is that from light's perspective it traverses no spacetime interval.

However, when we perceive the world from our human frame of reference we do indeed observe a separation between the two ends of the light beam -- the exact amount of separation depending upon our speed. We could say the act of perception "stretches out" the zero interval, and divides it into a certain amount of space and a certain amount of time. Since the total interval remains zero, the amount of space created exactly balances the amount of time created. For every 186,000 miles of space, we create 1 second of time.

What we conceive of as the speed of light is actually something completely different. From light's point of view -- and this after all must be the most appropriate perspective from which to consider the nature of light, not our matter-bound mode of experience -- light travels no distance in no time, and therefore has no need of speed. What we take to be the speed of light is actually the ratio in which space and time are created in our image of reality. It is this ratio that is fixed -- and this is why in the phenomenal world the apparent "speed" of light is fixed.

REF: http://www.peterrussell.com/Reality/realityart.php

i'm sorry that you cannot distinguish dreams from reality, but I have that ability... i can tell you whats real and whats not, if you need me to...

time doesn't slow down or stop, just a fable invented by a smart man...

I can see the post above went way over your head.

And you said this in a previous post:



So I guess you just blurt out things for argument sake not knowing what you are even talking about.

I love this article on this site. It is saying what I have been trying to say.




Wave-Particle Duality

When we recognize that in the real world light does not travel across space or time a difficult conundrum in quantum physics becomes much easier to understand. In our image of reality we observe energy traveling from one end of a light ray to the other. It is only natural to ask how the energy travels: Is it a wave? Or is it a particle? (Two models both drawn from our image of reality.)

The answer, it appears, is both. In some situations light behaves as a continuous wave spreading out in space -- but a wave without a medium. In other situations it behaves as a particle traveling through space -- but a particle without mass. Physicists have accommodated these two strange and seemingly paradoxical conclusions by deciding that light is a "wave-particle." In certain circumstances it appears as a wave; in others as a particle.

But if we look at things from light's point of view, it is neither. Since it did not travel through space and time, it needed no vehicle or mechanism of travel -- it has no need to be either a wave or a particle. As far as light itself is concerned, there is no duality, no paradox.

The physicist's conundrum appears only when we mistake our image of reality with the "thing in itself", and try to visualize light in concepts and terms appropriate to our image of reality -- i.e., waves and particles.

http://www.peterrussell.com/Reality/realityart.php

This is what I mean when I say that we see with "the mind."


The Material World

A second conclusion of Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity is that matter and energy are related to each other in a similar way as are space and time. Atomic physics had already shown that solid matter did not really exist, our experience of solid substance being an appearance generated in the mind. Einstein's work went further, showing that matter does not exist in the real world as an independent substance. What appears to us as matter and energy are bound together in his famous equation e=mc2.

More fundamental than both matter and energy is action. Planck laid the foundations of quantum physics with his realization that the indivisible unit in the physical world, the "quantum" as he called it, was action -- .

When we speak of the material world we usually think we are referring to the underlying reality -- the world that we are perceiving "out there". In fact we are only describing our image of reality. The materiality we experience, the solidness we feel, the whole of the "real world" that we know are all aspects of the image created in the mind; they are part of our interpretation of reality. Paradoxical as it may sound, matter is something created in the mind.

When we realize that everything we know, including the whole material world that we experience "out there" is part of the phenomenon, the image constructed in consciousness, we find the truth is a complete reversal of our everyday view. Matter, as we know it, is a creation of consciousness. Not the other way around as contemporary science presumes.

Thus the ultimate nature of reality -- the reality we experience that is, not the reality of of the noumena, of whose nature we have no knowledge -- is consciousness. Space, time, matter, energy -- the whole substantial world built up from our sense perceptions -- is created within consciousness. The essence of this whole phenomenal world is not matter but consciousness.