I think you need some periods in your run on sentence kind sir

That is what I was thinking.

Is the author of the OP talking about the use of steam to drive a piston, or is he talking about using hydrogen as a source of combustion?

Perhaps he is underestimating the amount of energy that is required to split a water molecule.

For combustion. I agree with you DD.

There are a lot of people out there that think water can be used as a 'fuel', but breaking it into H2 and O2 and then recombining it. You hit the nail on the head. Many of them think that recombining the H2 and O2 can yield more energy than it took to break them apart in the first place.

Correction messagetrade H2 , O. H2 ,O2 is not water anymore

There is no free lunch in the laws of thermodynamics.

Exactly. Having a knowledge of thermodynamics doesn't make a person closed-minded.

sounds about right ..playing at science without all the school time i have the basic idea in head ...whats wrong with asking questions why waste learning what other people know ask instead?????

ha ha lol story of my life but im?im and ive gotten kinda used to it not much time for punctuation 2 many ideas spilling over

ahh now im getting somewhere please tell me oh wise one why it is so stupid please.....if you could read my run on sntnce i want to produce just enuff oxy-hydro to assist in turning water in cylinder... to steam....internal expansion steam engine...plz think twice or 3 times before insisting im a f....n dunce

it is more like since i havnt a clue how much it takes im asking i wish to use oxy-hydro-or browns gas to help expand water vapour into steam...if i am not wrong the expanse quotient?from water to air is approx 270-1 water is explodable 12 volts dont do much 24 is better i have not been foolish enuff to try either 36 or 120 i wish to know more before i attempt this i read much but info on this subject seems very scarce

i am not one of those peoples i wish to break it in cylinder of motor and use it as an assist...have read article that states hertz rate changes amount of water "cracked" as i need to use a 120 volt alternator for juice i can adjust rate by increasing rpm.....i am told

and here again we take a law and insist that is it
have you heard the saying the law of airodynamics say bees cant fly
nobody knows everything and we are fools if we take for granted any info without extreme thought and practice
i am not a genius
i am not an idealistic idiot who blindly wishes for fantasy to be fact
i am open minded
i wanted to converse with people who would consider laws to be questioned
i wish to obtain info without depending on teachers insisting i stick to proven facts
thank you

Why don't you simply build yourself a home made steam engine. Add a lil red wagon to it and call it a day. You'll reach your goal if you want an alternative to the internal combustion engine.

that would be quite boring...why on earth would i wish an easy way out ...do you never try for more than what is
i do not understand why people will settle for what is instead of what might be
do not mistake me i do not know it can be done ..it is just an earworm haunting me
i do know from trying that water can explode and gain volume ..that is the basis of the I.C.E. is it not
maybe if you cant dream you could go back to sleep
but this is a good excercise for dealing with other peoples opinions
also i have built a steam engine lottsa plans for them
the challenge is the carrot

I described an action, a strategy, and said it was totally ****ing stupid. I never said that you or any particular person is stupid.

I don't consider myself stupid, but I do a dozen stupid things every day, and I even sometimes intentionally use stupid strategies. I don't think this makes me stupid, just human.

The Laws of Thermodynamics are called "laws" for a reason. And they do understand how a bumblebee flies. It just took some work to understand it.

If you are trying to get more energy out of water that it takes to separate the atoms, you probably have a hopeless cause, unless you are looking for a catalyst.

It was discovered that running a diesel engine off a mix of 99% diesel and 1% propane caused the engine to run about 10% more efficient. They weren't getting ten percent power out of the propane, it was just causing the combustion process to run faster, producing more power when it was needed by the piston and leaving less unburned carbon.

The typical ICE only runs at about 30% efficiency.

Many engines have for years used water injection to prevent detonation. The water doesn't burn; it just turns to steam, but it slows the combustion process so high compression can be used.

A little more science in your process would help.

fair enuff i sit corrected

excellant..thanks i am familiar with both water injection and propane enrichment on diesels..i am aware as i pointed out in earlier post it would be waste of my time to try to generate enuff hydro to run engine per norm..i am after trying to create enuff oxy-hydro in engine cylinder by electrostactic means to help turn remainder of water vapour to steam..as a point there is a man who states he does what i am trying i have said this is not my theory i am trying to understand the nature and known laws of hydrogen production including adjusting hertz rate and to get an idea of the latent power of oxy-hydro known previously as browns gas i do have a fair understanding of both science and the scientific method of research..just out of curiousity do you believe water will "explode" if an elec.arc is struck in it ie.expand into a gas .i find most people will say im full o fertilizer but seeing is believing so i know cuz ive done it -on a low energy level.i guess the only other thing i should point out is im not attempting to create perpet motion ...IF this crazy idea works i need to deal with the carbon produced..hydrogen "burnt" in absense of other substance creates vacumn..oxy-hydro "burnt" creates water vapour and c02..so ibelieve that while it does take more than a car battery to crack enough water a car battery can power a 120 volt inverter which in theory can be triggered by hei distributor..yes it sounds impossible but no one but crazy people like me think its worth pursuing ..no money in it? who knows i dont care..i either try it or put up with my mind wondering/wandering..i will attempt next time to address all the little changes i believe i will have to to make theory work...cam timing..spark timing-34 degrees after top dead center..elec plate in cyl..diodes..vapour reclamation....?carbon trapping? this one kills me i aint got even a tiny clue.actually i dont even know what branch of the sciences i should read up on -i find nothing helpful in any book on physics,chemistry,etc oh well my hour is up tks to all who have attempted to "educate" me LOL i have been called a idiot for 40 years now ..i should be an expert on dumb and dumber

My 2 cents, From one inventor to another. It seems that you will not be able to produce enough power from a 120 volt battery. Neither with an inverter or without. Nor even with a series of batteries wired together for your endeavor. The possibility may exist If and this is a big If. You seek an alternative power source. If it needs to be portable? Read up on a tesla coil, or a high powered gas generator. Which may defeat the purpose. Being that your power source runs on fuel. The only other option would be a small nuclear reactor. Good luck on that one! But hey keep trying, No one ever got rich on a salary. If you build it, They will come lol.