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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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It goes something like this! Obey me or I'll kill you! If you do,I still will! They had to be more subtle in the NT! So what do you think God should do for our disobedience? Smack our hands? Smack our butts? Put us in the corner? Maybe jail time? God is love. Agreed? (The Bible says this.) Love is Love. It is its own reward. Love does not do anything "to" us if we do not engage or choose to love. If you live in love, then that is all you need to do. Love will guide all of your actions to be "good." There is no disciplinarian sitting on some thrown in heaven waiting to smack our hands for "disobeying." In this world we have certain laws of cause and effect that go way beyond anything we can actually see. For your actions and thoughts you will attract like actions and thoughts. That is what is meant by "He who lives by the sword will die by the sword." What goes around comes back around. It is never ending. Your attitude and intentions towards others will determine what happens to you minute by minute. This law of vibration is mathematical and exact. There is no need for some God to be looking over our shoulder or writing commandments for us. This is a world of FREE WILL. You will make your own choices and you will reap the consequences. You will reap what you sow. That is how "God" works in this reality. That is how it is set up. Some think of God as our "Father" and they think that he will punish us for disobedience. This is not true. We have been granted free will. That means we must take responsibility for our thoughts and actions. When your children grow up and become of legal age, you can no longer punish them. They are adults. They are making their own decisions. They have free will. You can no longer insist that they obey you. As far as Eternal life, it either exists or it does not. No person can prove that there is any life or consciousness after the body dies, but I believe there is. People have died and been brought back and they have extraordinary experiences of their own consciousness after being dead. I saw a man on television last week who died for 45 minutes and was brought back to life. He had been brain dead and his heart had a massive heart attack. They had kept his body cold and he was restored to life with no brain damage. He described how he shot out of his body when it fell to the floor and he said his experience was difficult to describe. What exactly exists after death is unknown, but consciousness continues. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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It is the way the Church puts this message out to the people that is confusing. It goes out using fear of death and hell and it is not logical that a loving God would try to make such a bargain. So I don't give much weight to the message of the church because it is so misunderstood. I do understand it in my own way. To choose "God" means to choose "Good." God = Good. To chose God is to choose love. God = love. To chose God is to choose life. You must want to live. God = life. If your immortal soul does not want to live, then it may get its wish and be recycled into minimal conscious universal energy. If your immortal soul wants to live and chooses life, and good and Love, then it will graduate to the next state of being. That is my interpretation. JB,This IS the BEST summation i've come across!! Now,why not be a preacher?? One time,back in early 2000s,J.Meyer came to Uganda,to preach! She stayed at the best hotel we had here at that time-Sheraton Kampala Hotel....this IS one of the hygienic hotels in the country- i know so! I watched at Meyer sanitised her hands after handshakes from host pastors,eating food from the tins/bottles,not allowing the housekeeping staff to take her washing(she didnt want her laundry done in Uganda)-all because of.........??? If/when you have God=Love how do you treat your neighbor?? How do you treat others-especially those less advantaged than you are?? I agree,God IS love,treat them as you would want to be treated! Each and every person will have their own understanding of God and Love and will be a minister to others. There will be no single religion. Love will be the basis for all things. I don't know if that will happen here on this earth in my lifetime, but that is the golden age that is coming. The only thing to focus on is love, and that is the only guide you need. When you feel love, you will be love and you will do good. |
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wow... 5 pages of this nonsense?...lol
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wow... 5 pages of this nonsense?...lol Love is not "nonsense." Really. |
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It goes something like this! Obey me or I'll kill you! If you do,I still will! They had to be more subtle in the NT! So what do you think God should do for our disobedience? Smack our hands? Smack our butts? Put us in the corner? Maybe jail time? God is love. Agreed? (The Bible says this.) Love is Love. It is its own reward. Love does not do anything "to" us if we do not engage or choose to love. If you live in love, then that is all you need to do. Love will guide all of your actions to be "good." There is no disciplinarian sitting on some thrown in heaven waiting to smack our hands for "disobeying." In this world we have certain laws of cause and effect that go way beyond anything we can actually see. For your actions and thoughts you will attract like actions and thoughts. That is what is meant by "He who lives by the sword will die by the sword." What goes around comes back around. It is never ending. Your attitude and intentions towards others will determine what happens to you minute by minute. This law of vibration is mathematical and exact. There is no need for some God to be looking over our shoulder or writing commandments for us. This is a world of FREE WILL. You will make your own choices and you will reap the consequences. You will reap what you sow. That is how "God" works in this reality. That is how it is set up. Some think of God as our "Father" and they think that he will punish us for disobedience. This is not true. We have been granted free will. That means we must take responsibility for our thoughts and actions. When your children grow up and become of legal age, you can no longer punish them. They are adults. They are making their own decisions. They have free will. You can no longer insist that they obey you. As far as Eternal life, it either exists or it does not. No person can prove that there is any life or consciousness after the body dies, but I believe there is. People have died and been brought back and they have extraordinary experiences of their own consciousness after being dead. I saw a man on television last week who died for 45 minutes and was brought back to life. He had been brain dead and his heart had a massive heart attack. They had kept his body cold and he was restored to life with no brain damage. He described how he shot out of his body when it fell to the floor and he said his experience was difficult to describe. What exactly exists after death is unknown, but consciousness continues. Some think of God as our "Father" and they think that he will punish us for disobedience. This is not true. We have been granted free will. That means we must take responsibility for our thoughts and actions. Aye, that is not exactly true. When we are born of this flesh, we are born of this flesh. When we are born of the Spirit, we are then born of the Spirit. This flesh is born to die. That is why God allows a possibility of one being born of the Spirit. If say perhaps one burns in the lake of fire. This is not a "punishment" in that single person. The punishment stands for all of mankind having disobeyed God in the Garden of Eden thus having us removed from the paradise, thus not having eternal life. That is why Jesus speaks of the eternal life as a "gift". Because it is, no one is born having eternal life right off the bat. It is earned through one's life. And no, cause someone's car breaks down or any possible "tragedy" that may occur, that is not God punishing a certain person(s) for something they did or didn't do. There is one judgement, one punishment. |
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It goes something like this! Obey me or I'll kill you! If you do,I still will! They had to be more subtle in the NT! So what do you think God should do for our disobedience? Smack our hands? Smack our butts? Put us in the corner? Maybe jail time? God is love. Agreed? (The Bible says this.) Love is Love. It is its own reward. Love does not do anything "to" us if we do not engage or choose to love. If you live in love, then that is all you need to do. Love will guide all of your actions to be "good." There is no disciplinarian sitting on some thrown in heaven waiting to smack our hands for "disobeying." In this world we have certain laws of cause and effect that go way beyond anything we can actually see. For your actions and thoughts you will attract like actions and thoughts. That is what is meant by "He who lives by the sword will die by the sword." What goes around comes back around. It is never ending. Your attitude and intentions towards others will determine what happens to you minute by minute. This law of vibration is mathematical and exact. There is no need for some God to be looking over our shoulder or writing commandments for us. This is a world of FREE WILL. You will make your own choices and you will reap the consequences. You will reap what you sow. That is how "God" works in this reality. That is how it is set up. Some think of God as our "Father" and they think that he will punish us for disobedience. This is not true. We have been granted free will. That means we must take responsibility for our thoughts and actions. When your children grow up and become of legal age, you can no longer punish them. They are adults. They are making their own decisions. They have free will. You can no longer insist that they obey you. As far as Eternal life, it either exists or it does not. No person can prove that there is any life or consciousness after the body dies, but I believe there is. People have died and been brought back and they have extraordinary experiences of their own consciousness after being dead. I saw a man on television last week who died for 45 minutes and was brought back to life. He had been brain dead and his heart had a massive heart attack. They had kept his body cold and he was restored to life with no brain damage. He described how he shot out of his body when it fell to the floor and he said his experience was difficult to describe. What exactly exists after death is unknown, but consciousness continues. Some think of God as our "Father" and they think that he will punish us for disobedience. This is not true. We have been granted free will. That means we must take responsibility for our thoughts and actions. Aye, that is not exactly true. When we are born of this flesh, we are born of this flesh. When we are born of the Spirit, we are then born of the Spirit. This flesh is born to die. That is why God allows a possibility of one being born of the Spirit. If say perhaps one burns in the lake of fire. This is not a "punishment" in that single person. The punishment stands for all of mankind having disobeyed God in the Garden of Eden thus having us removed from the paradise, thus not having eternal life. That is why Jesus speaks of the eternal life as a "gift". Because it is, no one is born having eternal life right off the bat. It is earned through one's life. And no, cause someone's car breaks down or any possible "tragedy" that may occur, that is not God punishing a certain person(s) for something they did or didn't do. There is one judgement, one punishment. I am talking about the law of cause and effect IN THIS WORLD not "spiritual" punishment. You do not know what lies beyond this world except for what you have been told. Eternal life (after physical death) is either a fact or it is not. You say that no one is born having eternal life right off the bat. I say that you don't know this for a fact. You only believe something you have been told. |
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It goes something like this! Obey me or I'll kill you! If you do,I still will! They had to be more subtle in the NT! So what do you think God should do for our disobedience? Smack our hands? Smack our butts? Put us in the corner? Maybe jail time? God is love. Agreed? (The Bible says this.) Love is Love. It is its own reward. Love does not do anything "to" us if we do not engage or choose to love. If you live in love, then that is all you need to do. Love will guide all of your actions to be "good." There is no disciplinarian sitting on some thrown in heaven waiting to smack our hands for "disobeying." In this world we have certain laws of cause and effect that go way beyond anything we can actually see. For your actions and thoughts you will attract like actions and thoughts. That is what is meant by "He who lives by the sword will die by the sword." What goes around comes back around. It is never ending. Your attitude and intentions towards others will determine what happens to you minute by minute. This law of vibration is mathematical and exact. There is no need for some God to be looking over our shoulder or writing commandments for us. This is a world of FREE WILL. You will make your own choices and you will reap the consequences. You will reap what you sow. That is how "God" works in this reality. That is how it is set up. Some think of God as our "Father" and they think that he will punish us for disobedience. This is not true. We have been granted free will. That means we must take responsibility for our thoughts and actions. When your children grow up and become of legal age, you can no longer punish them. They are adults. They are making their own decisions. They have free will. You can no longer insist that they obey you. As far as Eternal life, it either exists or it does not. No person can prove that there is any life or consciousness after the body dies, but I believe there is. People have died and been brought back and they have extraordinary experiences of their own consciousness after being dead. I saw a man on television last week who died for 45 minutes and was brought back to life. He had been brain dead and his heart had a massive heart attack. They had kept his body cold and he was restored to life with no brain damage. He described how he shot out of his body when it fell to the floor and he said his experience was difficult to describe. What exactly exists after death is unknown, but consciousness continues. Some think of God as our "Father" and they think that he will punish us for disobedience. This is not true. We have been granted free will. That means we must take responsibility for our thoughts and actions. Aye, that is not exactly true. When we are born of this flesh, we are born of this flesh. When we are born of the Spirit, we are then born of the Spirit. This flesh is born to die. That is why God allows a possibility of one being born of the Spirit. If say perhaps one burns in the lake of fire. This is not a "punishment" in that single person. The punishment stands for all of mankind having disobeyed God in the Garden of Eden thus having us removed from the paradise, thus not having eternal life. That is why Jesus speaks of the eternal life as a "gift". Because it is, no one is born having eternal life right off the bat. It is earned through one's life. And no, cause someone's car breaks down or any possible "tragedy" that may occur, that is not God punishing a certain person(s) for something they did or didn't do. There is one judgement, one punishment. I am talking about the law of cause and effect IN THIS WORLD not "spiritual" punishment. You do not know what lies beyond this world except for what you have been told. Eternal life (after physical death) is either a fact or it is not. You say that no one is born having eternal life right off the bat. I say that you don't know this for a fact. You only believe something you have been told. Aye, but you don't know a lot of things for a fact. You don't even know that Abraham Lincon was a president for a fact. All you know is what you have been told. Yes that's a bit off topic of in exact terms. But it's said to make a point. Just because you don't see it first hand doesn't mean it's not true. That is where faith rolls in and why God spoke so much about having faith. Again, all you know of history is what you have been told, and probably most to all science. Yes, I'm sure you know some things first hand, like water freezes at 32 degrees F at sea level and things of that nature. But most to the rest is purely taken on faith. So what makes this thing taken on faith any less then the rest? Not attempting to make you believe or saying you should believe, just asking this on a general note. |
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wow... 5 pages of this nonsense?...lol Love is not "nonsense." Really. ummm... the topic is "are god and the devil the same", not love... |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Fri 03/01/13 12:08 PM
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For Cowboy:
Then lets just say that I don't agree with your belief. |
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wow... 5 pages of this nonsense?...lol Love is not "nonsense." Really. ummm... the topic is "are god and the devil the same", not love... The topic has wandered. I guess you didn't notice. |
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Then lets just say that I don't agree with your belief. well said... |
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wow... 5 pages of this nonsense?...lol Love is not "nonsense." Really. ummm... the topic is "are god and the devil the same", not love... The topic has wandered. I guess you didn't notice.  as usual...
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Edited by
Denman78
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Fri 03/01/13 02:23 PM
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wow... 5 pages of this nonsense?...lol if only contributors will not stray and just broach the topic:satan and god,dont you think they are one ,why? Love is not "nonsense." Really. ummm... the topic is "are god and the devil the same", not love... The topic has wandered. I guess you didn't notice. as usual...
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He treat us fairly. God give us ten commandments yet we still disobey. Did we die. NO, NOT YET. There is time for judgement. We still have time to repent. By their disobedience it justs closes the gate of heaven. It reopened when GOD send His son on earth. The death of him gives us the chance to enter heaven again. How many times did you disobey? Yep that fluffy cloud with a castle floating on it just beneath the "firmament"is now back open for business because a renegade rabbi named jesus died for your sins......riiiiight? Problem is i don't accept that a renegade rabbi died for my sins cause i don't accept i can sin because i don't accept the abrahamic trilogy faith.I accept it's all bullsh i t.I don't choose to believe i either accept it or i don't. |
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wow... 5 pages of this nonsense?...lol if only contributors will not stray and just broach the topic:satan and god,dont you think they are one ,why? Love is not "nonsense." Really. ummm... the topic is "are god and the devil the same", not love... The topic has wandered. I guess you didn't notice. as usual...
When discussing "God" you are basically discussing a concept. You may first have to define "God" before go further in the idea that "God" and "Satan" are the same being. No, I don't think they are the same being because the Biblical concept of God does not fit my concept of God. If "God" is to be considered a being who created human kind, then I have to consider him to be an alien. (non human sentient intelligent being not from earth.) I don't even consider Satan and Lucifer to be the same being. |
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He treat us fairly. God give us ten commandments yet we still disobey. Did we die. NO, NOT YET. There is time for judgement. We still have time to repent. By their disobedience it justs closes the gate of heaven. It reopened when GOD send His son on earth. The death of him gives us the chance to enter heaven again. How many times did you disobey? Yep that fluffy cloud with a castle floating on it just beneath the "firmament"is now back open for business because a renegade rabbi named jesus died for your sins......riiiiight? Problem is i don't accept that a renegade rabbi died for my sins cause i don't accept i can sin because i don't accept the abrahamic trilogy faith.I accept it's all bullsh i t.I don't choose to believe i either accept it or i don't. Its your choice to believe or not. I/We are not forcing you. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Fri 03/01/13 09:58 PM
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He treat us fairly. God give us ten commandments yet we still disobey. Did we die. NO, NOT YET. There is time for judgement. We still have time to repent. By their disobedience it justs closes the gate of heaven. It reopened when GOD send His son on earth. The death of him gives us the chance to enter heaven again. How many times did you disobey? Yep that fluffy cloud with a castle floating on it just beneath the "firmament"is now back open for business because a renegade rabbi named jesus died for your sins......riiiiight? Problem is i don't accept that a renegade rabbi died for my sins cause i don't accept i can sin because i don't accept the abrahamic trilogy faith.I accept it's all bullsh i t.I don't choose to believe i either accept it or i don't. Its your choice to believe or not. I/We are not forcing you. That's always what people say. But although you don't force anyone to believe, Christianity as a whole implies to people that if you don't accept our doctrine and our savior, you will die and go to hell. Then they say... "But hey, you have the freedom to choose." 
Okeee dokeeee.... Let's go over these choices again..... |
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wow... 5 pages of this nonsense?...lol if only contributors will not stray and just broach the topic:satan and god,dont you think they are one ,why? Love is not "nonsense." Really. ummm... the topic is "are god and the devil the same", not love... The topic has wandered. I guess you didn't notice. as usual...
When discussing "God" you are basically discussing a concept. You may first have to define "God" before go further in the idea that "God" and "Satan" are the same being. No, I don't think they are the same being because the Biblical concept of God does not fit my concept of God. If "God" is to be considered a being who created human kind, then I have to consider him to be an alien. (non human sentient intelligent being not from earth.) I don't even consider Satan and Lucifer to be the same being. |
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wow... 5 pages of this nonsense?...lol if only contributors will not stray and just broach the topic:satan and god,dont you think they are one ,why? Love is not "nonsense." Really. ummm... the topic is "are god and the devil the same", not love... The topic has wandered. I guess you didn't notice. as usual...
When discussing "God" you are basically discussing a concept. You may first have to define "God" before go further in the idea that "God" and "Satan" are the same being. No, I don't think they are the same being because the Biblical concept of God does not fit my concept of God. If "God" is to be considered a being who created human kind, then I have to consider him to be an alien. (non human sentient intelligent being not from earth.) I don't even consider Satan and Lucifer to be the same being. Then why specifically narrow the "God is everything" down to two entities? God and Satan? If that is the case then you are also Satan. You are also God. I am you and you are me. We are all one in the all encompassing God conscious universe. And then we are also separate individuals. Separate but connected. |
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There is no "good and evil." There is only "Good and ignorance."
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