Dang King- I've never really considered it before but now I'm thinking about getting my self a "grill".....



Nope... guess I'll never be fly...

lol for some reason that is amzingly easy to picture anoasis.

i think if you just continue to be yourself you'll be fine, no grill needed.

The Golden Rule:

He who has the Gold makes the rules.

Just bringing it up again because I like to read it...

I apologize to those that are bored with it but it comes up again and again... and I'm continually fascinated with how many verstions there are, how many religions endorse it and yet I am saddened by how many seem unable to practice it... even at times amoung those here...

and I have certainly failed to keep it at times myself!

Welcome. Good place to stop in. It gets a little wild in here sometimes. Just hold on and join in the fun.
Kat

I have indeed fallen short on occasion... especially after a character assassination...

Unfortunately, a mirrored response by me merely justifies their false claim, fueling the unfounded judgement's growth.

I do another no justice by using a measure which justifies their own inner judgemental nature. It actually perpetuates another's continued false judgements by validating their ego.

The problem here is the same with the news. We all like this idea it is not controversial so it can't spark much conversation.


I like to think of how far out it can be expanded. Does it just mean you doing things to others? or is it also allowing others to live a life as you would like to live. So if your Church is in your neighborhood would you allow every other type of Church in your neighborhood?


Am I expanding it too far there?

I have a tangential comment on the golden rule.

The golden rule is actually the summation of the last six commandments. The ten commandments are God's law of love, and that law is broken into two categories, love to God and love to man. Thus, the first four commands show us how to love God, and the last six, the way to love man.

In that context, it is interesting to me, that this is exactly the great difference in the religion of the Bible and all the other religions. All religions seem to agree on how to love man. They all teach to love others like we love ourselves. They all teach to honor our parents, not to murder, commit adultery, don't lie and steal. Don't desire to take what your neighbor has. These last of the 6 commandments are found everywhere that people worship, what ever it is that they worship.

However, only God's religion tells us how we are to love God. Only the God of the Bible requires that you have no other god's--none! Only He requires that we never denigrate Him by making any image to remind ourselves of Him. Only He requires that we not take His name in vain. Only He requires that we keep a certain day holy as a sign of our loyalty to Him.

There is a difference in the religions, and the difference is that all these different religions are about man and they were created for man. They have nothing to do with a real God. They have nothing to do with a God who lives and loves, who hates evil, and who wants us to understand Him for what He is, and love Him with all of our might, strength, and mind in these ways.

Art

This comment is more direct & you might think it is interesting adjunct to consider about the golden rule.

In all the Bible's law, its histories, and writings, there is a kind of duality running through things. There is the physical that is the symbol and the spiritual. For example, a man is physical and made in the image of the spiritual God. There was physical Israel and there is a spiritual Israel--the Church. There is the first Adam, and the last Adam--Christ.

So, without going on and on, I am hoping we can see a principle. In a like manner, while there is a physical application of the law that is valid and good, there is a spiritual intent that must take precedence.

For example, one the Sabbath no work is to be done. This is a physical law. However, should life or limb be threatened, like an ox in a ditch, then a higher spiritual law takes over. In this case, the spirit of the Sabbath is freedom from slavery and bondage (Deut 5). Thus, it is a must that we work to save the life. Then it is clear how all of this, sits under the greater umbrella of spiritual love.

With this as a backdrop, lets look at the golden rule. Physically it says that we should never do something to others we would not want then to do to us. It is the essence of empathy.

What then would be the spiritual application?

Realize that we are all different. Therefore, a man does not want from a women what she wants from a man. Therefore, we men can give our women everything they really don't want. The real truth is that we don't often think of the other. We don't esteem others better. We are only concerned with ourself and how we see things.

But, what if we applied the golden rule in its spiritual intent? Then we would have people who were striving to understand the needs of others, and not just looking at their own needs.

We have a spiritual golden rule:

We should strive to do unto others what THEY WANT us to do unto them.

Does anyone see the beauty of that?

Art

Well Art, the way I see it, if a God is going to abandon the fruits of Its' creative labor to the free will of that creation,

then I say:

there is nothing 'spiritual' to be considered. It is obviously up to man, to reconcile with others of its own nature. If free will is such a great attribute to include in a creation, than let us make better use of that 'free will' than creating schizms between us in the name of religion.

I think you are right, but where is the line between "turning the other cheek" and becoming a doormat?

((( DD )))

I think you underestimate the ability of some of us to debate ("argue"?)... But I am happy to have a discussion about what we all like and agree with...

You cannot expand too far for me... I would allow any church/religion to be practiced but I would allow NO church in my neighborhood- I don't want the traffic, noise, and parking problems.

However, allowing others to live as you would like to live can be problematic. For some reason I can never understand some people actually LIKE other people to tell them what to do, how to live, etc. These people want some kind of "father figure" to instruct them their whole lives. On the other hand I cannot abide being told what to do. It has a very unfortunate effect on my temperment. So I cannot help these others to live as I would want, nor could I stand to live as they would like.

((((((Abra))))))

Oh yes I think it would be lovely if everyone would do unto me as I would wish them to... but they might get tired of brushing my hair, rubbing my feet and washing my car...

Seriously, yes it is a very nice thought. It does have difficultys though... and as far as men and women understanding what the other one wants... now you truly are a dreamer my friend!

nice to see u around again anoasis

Buen nuevo ano TLW!

Health and peace to you and your family.

Yes this is exactly my point. I think most people like to do what they want. Make decisions that are best for themselves, but then try to limit that for others. I think that is very un-golden ruly of them.

I don't think men and women have any problem understanding what the other wants.

My uncle came over to my house once. He was very upset with my aunt and he said, "Women! I can't ever figure out what they want!"

I said to him, "I know exactly what women want"

Knowing that I was single at the time he sneered at me and quipped, "Well if you know exactly what women want then why don't you have a woman?"

I calmly replied, "Because I know what women want"

ahhhh reciprocity...

works great in principle until you run into the masochists!!
this is a well appreciated flaw in this line of reasoning.

"Do not do unto others as you would expect they should do unto you. Their tastes may not be the same." - George Bernard Shaw

"The golden rule is a good standard which is further improved by doing unto others, wherever possible, as they want to be done by." - Karl Popper

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