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Topic: Terminator Obama-2013: The Rise of Domestic Killer Drones
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Sat 02/02/13 09:01 AM




Richard Sawyer
Sott.net
Thu, 31 Jan 2013 05:51 CST

In absolute disregard for both the US Constitution and international law, US drones are currently killing civilians, including women and children1, in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, Uganda and the Philippines. Thousands have been killed, and tens of thousands more terrorized, by fleets of remote-controlled 'drone' aircraft.2

It is reported they have killed more non-combatant civilians than died in 9/11 (and that's just the 'official estimates').


So when did all you conservative "Hawks" become bleeding hearts that cared about muslims in the middle east beimg killed?

They wanted a war.....well, they're getting one.

Maybe you should read a little history about how over 100,000 innocent Japanese civilians were killed during a single night of fire bombing by the US.

I would be MORE concerned if we were not using drone attacks in Pakistan, Yemen & Somalia.






You have a warped perspective of war. We were in total war with Japan when we firebombed Tokyo as their sneak attack on Pearl Harbor. For years Japan had been killing thousands of Chinese and were mistreating and killing captured American soldiers from the Philippines. Japan refused to abide by the Geneva rules of war and treated everyone as sub-human. Their ally Germany, had V-2 bombed London extensively. The US attacked on Tokyo, Hiroshima, and Hiroshima ended World War II and it is estimated that it saved over a million lives over what would have happened if we would have invaded.

Maybe you should read a little history and you wouldn't make such invalid comparisons.


:thumbsup: Thank you for posting thisflowerforyou ....And thank you daddy for nearly seven years of service during WWII, you're my hero and I miss you:heart:


I miss my dad too who was a hero in World War II. He served in the convoys in the North Atlantic until the European war ended and then he reenlisted in the Army Air Corp to finish the war with Japan. Had we invaded instead of mass bombing the cities, I probably would never been born.

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Sat 02/02/13 09:55 AM


Richard Sawyer
Sott.net
Thu, 31 Jan 2013 05:51 CST

In absolute disregard for both the US Constitution and international law, US drones are currently killing civilians, including women and children1, in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, Uganda and the Philippines. Thousands have been killed, and tens of thousands more terrorized, by fleets of remote-controlled 'drone' aircraft.2

It is reported they have killed more non-combatant civilians than died in 9/11 (and that's just the 'official estimates').


So when did all you conservative "Hawks" become bleeding hearts that cared about muslims in the middle east beimg killed?

They wanted a war.....well, they're getting one.

Maybe you should read a little history about how over 100,000 innocent Japanese civilians were killed during a single night of fire bombing by the US.

I would be MORE concerned if we were not using drone attacks in Pakistan, Yemen & Somalia.




Congress declared War on Pakistan, Yemen & Somalia?slaphead

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Sat 02/02/13 03:01 PM



Richard Sawyer
Sott.net
Thu, 31 Jan 2013 05:51 CST

In absolute disregard for both the US Constitution and international law, US drones are currently killing civilians, including women and children1, in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, Uganda and the Philippines. Thousands have been killed, and tens of thousands more terrorized, by fleets of remote-controlled 'drone' aircraft.2

It is reported they have killed more non-combatant civilians than died in 9/11 (and that's just the 'official estimates').


So when did all you conservative "Hawks" become bleeding hearts that cared about muslims in the middle east beimg killed?

They wanted a war.....well, they're getting one.

Maybe you should read a little history about how over 100,000 innocent Japanese civilians were killed during a single night of fire bombing by the US.

I would be MORE concerned if we were not using drone attacks in Pakistan, Yemen & Somalia.






You have a warped perspective of war. We were in total war with Japan when we firebombed Tokyo as retaliation for their sneak attack on Pearl Harbor. For years Japan had been killing thousands of Chinese and were mistreating and killing captured American soldiers from the Philippines. Japan refused to abide by the Geneva rules of war and treated everyone as sub-human. Their ally Germany, had V-2 bombed London extensively. The US attacks on Tokyo, Hiroshima, and Hiroshima ended World War II and it is estimated that it saved over a million lives over what would have happened if we would have invaded.

Maybe you should read a little history and you wouldn't make such invalid comparisons.


Don't try to lecture me about WWII and the Japanese....my Father was a Japanese POW. You ever hear of a little place called Corregidor? I know plenty about what went down.

My comparison was not far off the mark. The terrorists drew American civilian blood with 911 and we are hitting them back....doesn't matter where they are, we should hit them.

WAR HAS CHANGED my friend and you better get used to the new way it will be waged. They are damn lucky we are able to minimize collateral damage as much as we do! We didn't have that luxury in WWII.


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Sat 02/02/13 05:23 PM




Richard Sawyer
Sott.net
Thu, 31 Jan 2013 05:51 CST

In absolute disregard for both the US Constitution and international law, US drones are currently killing civilians, including women and children1, in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, Uganda and the Philippines. Thousands have been killed, and tens of thousands more terrorized, by fleets of remote-controlled 'drone' aircraft.2

It is reported they have killed more non-combatant civilians than died in 9/11 (and that's just the 'official estimates').


So when did all you conservative "Hawks" become bleeding hearts that cared about muslims in the middle east beimg killed?

They wanted a war.....well, they're getting one.

Maybe you should read a little history about how over 100,000 innocent Japanese civilians were killed during a single night of fire bombing by the US.

I would be MORE concerned if we were not using drone attacks in Pakistan, Yemen & Somalia.






You have a warped perspective of war. We were in total war with Japan when we firebombed Tokyo as retaliation for their sneak attack on Pearl Harbor. For years Japan had been killing thousands of Chinese and were mistreating and killing captured American soldiers from the Philippines. Japan refused to abide by the Geneva rules of war and treated everyone as sub-human. Their ally Germany, had V-2 bombed London extensively. The US attacks on Tokyo, Hiroshima, and Hiroshima ended World War II and it is estimated that it saved over a million lives over what would have happened if we would have invaded.

Maybe you should read a little history and you wouldn't make such invalid comparisons.


Don't try to lecture me about WWII and the Japanese....my Father was a Japanese POW. You ever hear of a little place called Corregidor? I know plenty about what went down.

My comparison was not far off the mark. The terrorists drew American civilian blood with 911 and we are hitting them back....doesn't matter where they are, we should hit them.

WAR HAS CHANGED my friend and you better get used to the new way it will be waged. They are damn lucky we are able to minimize collateral damage as much as we do! We didn't have that luxury in WWII.




Your comparison is ridiculous. It is you that started the "lecture" and did a really poor job of it. I won't try to lecture you about WWII because your comparisons are so warped, they represent a meaningless perspective. 100,000 "innocent" civilians? Every human on the island was working to defeat the Allies in WWII. Your use of the term is disgusting. Your hatred of America stands out.

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Sat 02/02/13 08:01 PM





Richard Sawyer
Sott.net
Thu, 31 Jan 2013 05:51 CST

In absolute disregard for both the US Constitution and international law, US drones are currently killing civilians, including women and children1, in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, Uganda and the Philippines. Thousands have been killed, and tens of thousands more terrorized, by fleets of remote-controlled 'drone' aircraft.2

It is reported they have killed more non-combatant civilians than died in 9/11 (and that's just the 'official estimates').


So when did all you conservative "Hawks" become bleeding hearts that cared about muslims in the middle east beimg killed?

They wanted a war.....well, they're getting one.

Maybe you should read a little history about how over 100,000 innocent Japanese civilians were killed during a single night of fire bombing by the US.

I would be MORE concerned if we were not using drone attacks in Pakistan, Yemen & Somalia.






You have a warped perspective of war. We were in total war with Japan when we firebombed Tokyo as retaliation for their sneak attack on Pearl Harbor. For years Japan had been killing thousands of Chinese and were mistreating and killing captured American soldiers from the Philippines. Japan refused to abide by the Geneva rules of war and treated everyone as sub-human. Their ally Germany, had V-2 bombed London extensively. The US attacks on Tokyo, Hiroshima, and Hiroshima ended World War II and it is estimated that it saved over a million lives over what would have happened if we would have invaded.

Maybe you should read a little history and you wouldn't make such invalid comparisons.


Don't try to lecture me about WWII and the Japanese....my Father was a Japanese POW. You ever hear of a little place called Corregidor? I know plenty about what went down.

My comparison was not far off the mark. The terrorists drew American civilian blood with 911 and we are hitting them back....doesn't matter where they are, we should hit them.

WAR HAS CHANGED my friend and you better get used to the new way it will be waged. They are damn lucky we are able to minimize collateral damage as much as we do! We didn't have that luxury in WWII.




Your comparison is ridiculous. It is you that started the "lecture" and did a really poor job of it. I won't try to lecture you about WWII because your comparisons are so warped, they represent a meaningless perspective. 100,000 "innocent" civilians? Every human on the island was working to defeat the Allies in WWII. Your use of the term is disgusting. Your hatred of America stands out.


Wrong again my friend. I love America, it's you I worry about. You and those like you who want to play mamby pamby kind of wars with these terrorists. No f-ing around is my attitude.

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Sun 02/03/13 12:53 AM




Richard Sawyer
Sott.net
Thu, 31 Jan 2013 05:51 CST

In absolute disregard for both the US Constitution and international law, US drones are currently killing civilians, including women and children1, in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, Uganda and the Philippines. Thousands have been killed, and tens of thousands more terrorized, by fleets of remote-controlled 'drone' aircraft.2

It is reported they have killed more non-combatant civilians than died in 9/11 (and that's just the 'official estimates').


So when did all you conservative "Hawks" become bleeding hearts that cared about muslims in the middle east beimg killed?

They wanted a war.....well, they're getting one.

Maybe you should read a little history about how over 100,000 innocent Japanese civilians were killed during a single night of fire bombing by the US.

I would be MORE concerned if we were not using drone attacks in Pakistan, Yemen & Somalia.






You have a warped perspective of war. We were in total war with Japan when we firebombed Tokyo as retaliation for their sneak attack on Pearl Harbor. For years Japan had been killing thousands of Chinese and were mistreating and killing captured American soldiers from the Philippines. Japan refused to abide by the Geneva rules of war and treated everyone as sub-human. Their ally Germany, had V-2 bombed London extensively. The US attacks on Tokyo, Hiroshima, and Hiroshima ended World War II and it is estimated that it saved over a million lives over what would have happened if we would have invaded.

Maybe you should read a little history and you wouldn't make such invalid comparisons.


Don't try to lecture me about WWII and the Japanese....my Father was a Japanese POW. You ever hear of a little place called Corregidor? I know plenty about what went down.

My comparison was not far off the mark. The terrorists drew American civilian blood with 911 and we are hitting them back....doesn't matter where they are, we should hit them.

WAR HAS CHANGED my friend and you better get used to the new way it will be waged. They are damn lucky we are able to minimize collateral damage as much as we do! We didn't have that luxury in WWII.


Definitely had that "Luxury" in Dresden!
Possibly other Cities as well!

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Mon 02/04/13 12:19 AM
Edited by JustDukkyMkII on Mon 02/04/13 12:21 AM
...and let's not forget the "luxurious" "collateral damage" called the people of Hiroshima and Nagasaki...an unnecessary bombing and pet project of Truman's (against the rational and humane advice of his top generals) to impress Stalin.

It isn't like the US administrations of recent history had a great deal of respect for human life, so it's no stretch of the imagination that they have no respect for US citizens lives either, especially since it's already a matter of public record that it is murdering some citizens it doesn't like.

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Mon 02/04/13 09:01 AM
Edited by mightymoe on Mon 02/04/13 09:01 AM

...and let's not forget the "luxurious" "collateral damage" called the people of Hiroshima and Nagasaki...an unnecessary bombing and pet project of Truman's (against the rational and humane advice of his top generals) to impress Stalin.

It isn't like the US administrations of recent history had a great deal of respect for human life, so it's no stretch of the imagination that they have no respect for US citizens lives either, especially since it's already a matter of public record that it is murdering some citizens it doesn't like.


Truman didn't anything about the bomb when he ordered it dropped. when Roosevelt died, Truman was never explained the power it had. he just knew it could end the war, so he ordered it to use. he had nightmares the rest of his life after that...

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Mon 02/04/13 09:20 AM


...and let's not forget the "luxurious" "collateral damage" called the people of Hiroshima and Nagasaki...an unnecessary bombing and pet project of Truman's (against the rational and humane advice of his top generals) to impress Stalin.

It isn't like the US administrations of recent history had a great deal of respect for human life, so it's no stretch of the imagination that they have no respect for US citizens lives either, especially since it's already a matter of public record that it is murdering some citizens it doesn't like.


Truman didn't anything about the bomb when he ordered it dropped. when Roosevelt died, Truman was never explained the power it had. he just knew it could end the war, so he ordered it to use. he had nightmares the rest of his life after that...


Don't know if anyone has read this collection, but I thought the link was worth sharing...Absolutely fascinating!!...Here's the prologue...


About the Collection
This collection focuses on The Decision to Drop the Atomic Bomb. It includes documents totaling almost 600 pages, covering the years 1945-1964. Supporting materials include an online version of "Truman and the Bomb: A Documentary History," edited by Robert H. Ferrell.

http://www.trumanlibrary.org/whistlestop/study_collections/bomb/large/index.php

metalwing's photo
Mon 02/04/13 09:26 AM

...and let's not forget the "luxurious" "collateral damage" called the people of Hiroshima and Nagasaki...an unnecessary bombing and pet project of Truman's (against the rational and humane advice of his top generals) to impress Stalin.

It isn't like the US administrations of recent history had a great deal of respect for human life, so it's no stretch of the imagination that they have no respect for US citizens lives either, especially since it's already a matter of public record that it is murdering some citizens it doesn't like.


OK, you do need a lesson on history. The US was forced with the choice of invading Japan where EVERY SINGLE HUMAN BEING WAS TRAINED TO FIGHT BACK IN SOME WAY!, or bomb the hell out of them. The bombing killed many of them but not nearly as many as we would have had to kill with and invasion and many of our troops would have been killed during the invasion too. We chose the bombing to save lives, theirs and ours. It is estimated the bombing saved over a million lives.

Go read a little. Yes there was some intrigue with Russia but all such major conflicts have many side issues.

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Mon 02/04/13 09:36 AM



...and let's not forget the "luxurious" "collateral damage" called the people of Hiroshima and Nagasaki...an unnecessary bombing and pet project of Truman's (against the rational and humane advice of his top generals) to impress Stalin.

It isn't like the US administrations of recent history had a great deal of respect for human life, so it's no stretch of the imagination that they have no respect for US citizens lives either, especially since it's already a matter of public record that it is murdering some citizens it doesn't like.


Truman didn't anything about the bomb when he ordered it dropped. when Roosevelt died, Truman was never explained the power it had. he just knew it could end the war, so he ordered it to use. he had nightmares the rest of his life after that...


Don't know if anyone has read this collection, but I thought the link was worth sharing...Absolutely fascinating!!...Here's the prologue...


About the Collection
This collection focuses on The Decision to Drop the Atomic Bomb. It includes documents totaling almost 600 pages, covering the years 1945-1964. Supporting materials include an online version of "Truman and the Bomb: A Documentary History," edited by Robert H. Ferrell.

http://www.trumanlibrary.org/whistlestop/study_collections/bomb/large/index.php



thank you for the link, lots of history there..
flowerforyou

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Mon 02/04/13 10:08 AM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Mon 02/04/13 10:08 AM

...and let's not forget the "luxurious" "collateral damage" called the people of Hiroshima and Nagasaki...an unnecessary bombing and pet project of Truman's (against the rational and humane advice of his top generals) to impress Stalin.

It isn't like the US administrations of recent history had a great deal of respect for human life, so it's no stretch of the imagination that they have no respect for US citizens lives either, especially since it's already a matter of public record that it is murdering some citizens it doesn't like.
actually equal Guilt goes to Uncle Joe for not telling the USA about the Peacefeelers Japan put out,since they weren't at War with the USSR!
Uncle Joe plump forgot to tell,or was it because he wanted the Kuriles and Sakhalin?
Even more strange that the USSR declared War on Japan immediately after the dropping of those Nuclear Devices,and occupied those two Island-Groups!

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Mon 02/04/13 10:11 AM



...and let's not forget the "luxurious" "collateral damage" called the people of Hiroshima and Nagasaki...an unnecessary bombing and pet project of Truman's (against the rational and humane advice of his top generals) to impress Stalin.

It isn't like the US administrations of recent history had a great deal of respect for human life, so it's no stretch of the imagination that they have no respect for US citizens lives either, especially since it's already a matter of public record that it is murdering some citizens it doesn't like.


Truman didn't anything about the bomb when he ordered it dropped. when Roosevelt died, Truman was never explained the power it had. he just knew it could end the war, so he ordered it to use. he had nightmares the rest of his life after that...


Don't know if anyone has read this collection, but I thought the link was worth sharing...Absolutely fascinating!!...Here's the prologue...


About the Collection
This collection focuses on The Decision to Drop the Atomic Bomb. It includes documents totaling almost 600 pages, covering the years 1945-1964. Supporting materials include an online version of "Truman and the Bomb: A Documentary History," edited by Robert H. Ferrell.

http://www.trumanlibrary.org/whistlestop/study_collections/bomb/large/index.php
Great Link!:thumbsup:

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Mon 02/04/13 10:15 AM


...and let's not forget the "luxurious" "collateral damage" called the people of Hiroshima and Nagasaki...an unnecessary bombing and pet project of Truman's (against the rational and humane advice of his top generals) to impress Stalin.

It isn't like the US administrations of recent history had a great deal of respect for human life, so it's no stretch of the imagination that they have no respect for US citizens lives either, especially since it's already a matter of public record that it is murdering some citizens it doesn't like.


OK, you do need a lesson on history. The US was forced with the choice of invading Japan where EVERY SINGLE HUMAN BEING WAS TRAINED TO FIGHT BACK IN SOME WAY!, or bomb the hell out of them. The bombing killed many of them but not nearly as many as we would have had to kill with and invasion and many of our troops would have been killed during the invasion too. We chose the bombing to save lives, theirs and ours. It is estimated the bombing saved over a million lives.

Go read a little. Yes there was some intrigue with Russia but all such major conflicts have many side issues.


:thumbsup:

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Mon 02/04/13 03:05 PM


...and let's not forget the "luxurious" "collateral damage" called the people of Hiroshima and Nagasaki...an unnecessary bombing and pet project of Truman's (against the rational and humane advice of his top generals) to impress Stalin.

It isn't like the US administrations of recent history had a great deal of respect for human life, so it's no stretch of the imagination that they have no respect for US citizens lives either, especially since it's already a matter of public record that it is murdering some citizens it doesn't like.


OK, you do need a lesson on history. The US was forced with the choice of invading Japan where EVERY SINGLE HUMAN BEING WAS TRAINED TO FIGHT BACK IN SOME WAY!, or bomb the hell out of them. The bombing killed many of them but not nearly as many as we would have had to kill with and invasion and many of our troops would have been killed during the invasion too. We chose the bombing to save lives, theirs and ours. It is estimated the bombing saved over a million lives.

Go read a little. Yes there was some intrigue with Russia but all such major conflicts have many side issues.


I started doing a little reading on it and came up with this:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig2/denson7.html

Interesting to say the least.

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Mon 02/04/13 03:06 PM
Edited by JustDukkyMkII on Mon 02/04/13 03:11 PM
OOPS!...accidental double post...How do I get this one deleted?

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