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Aw hypocrisy.... A whole nuther thread though... Because a person cannot really see outside of their perspective which is always biased to their understanding of their experiences. It is hard to find a lack of hypocrisy in what people believe or say. As for the president, you bet he will fail at some of the things he tries to do. Some because even as smart as he is, he cannot see outside of his own personal perspective. For example, he was not in favor of gays marrying when he came into office the first time. Somehow in the process of doing his job, he realized that they should be given all the rights of everyone else. Religion blocked this view for him before that time.\ Getting to universal healthcare is not a feat he is capable of with the ignorance he deals with in congress. So he will fail. But sometimes the try is what is needed. Several tries and it will get over the wall. President Obama will not do it but it may be done by one of the next presidents of his caliber and more easily because of the change he has brought himself. kind of rings a bell for you, huh... |
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The NRA will be partially successful in what they do because of their feeding and supporting fearful people.
People who feel a need for a gun are acting on fear. The NRA has told them the government wants to do bad things to them, that other types of people want to do bad things to them, etc... and makes them believe their only form of protection is a gun Fearmonngering. Once a person lets go of the fear they can see how stupid all of the above is but they have to let go of it. It is not easy. |
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Aw hypocrisy.... A whole nuther thread though... Because a person cannot really see outside of their perspective which is always biased to their understanding of their experiences. It is hard to find a lack of hypocrisy in what people believe or say. As for the president, you bet he will fail at some of the things he tries to do. Some because even as smart as he is, he cannot see outside of his own personal perspective. For example, he was not in favor of gays marrying when he came into office the first time. Somehow in the process of doing his job, he realized that they should be given all the rights of everyone else. Religion blocked this view for him before that time.\ Getting to universal healthcare is not a feat he is capable of with the ignorance he deals with in congress. So he will fail. But sometimes the try is what is needed. Several tries and it will get over the wall. President Obama will not do it but it may be done by one of the next presidents of his caliber and more easily because of the change he has brought himself. kind of rings a bell for you, huh... I had to recognize it in myself first to be able to address it and make sure I don't do it, you bet. I actually recognized it here, years ago thanks to a brilliant mind, Creativesoul. I do look for it in my own beliefs and what a share before I share it. |
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Aw hypocrisy.... A whole nuther thread though... Because a person cannot really see outside of their perspective which is always biased to their understanding of their experiences. It is hard to find a lack of hypocrisy in what people believe or say. As for the president, you bet he will fail at some of the things he tries to do. Some because even as smart as he is, he cannot see outside of his own personal perspective. For example, he was not in favor of gays marrying when he came into office the first time. Somehow in the process of doing his job, he realized that they should be given all the rights of everyone else. Religion blocked this view for him before that time.\ Getting to universal healthcare is not a feat he is capable of with the ignorance he deals with in congress. So he will fail. But sometimes the try is what is needed. Several tries and it will get over the wall. President Obama will not do it but it may be done by one of the next presidents of his caliber and more easily because of the change he has brought himself. kind of rings a bell for you, huh... I had to recognize it in myself first to be able to address it and make sure I don't do it, you bet. I actually recognized it here, years ago thanks to a brilliant mind, Creativesoul. I do look for it in my own beliefs and what a share before I share it. well, i am glad that you don't do it... 
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Those who turn swords into Plowshares will plow for those who do not! -Thomas Jefferson to bad Thomas Jefferson didn't give his slaves that option you're here praising Thomas Jefferson who was to his slaves part of a tyrannical government that use guns to deny others their Rights ... but yet at the same time you're here cursing those in today's government that you believe is trying to do the same thing to you that Thomas Jefferson done to his slaves sort of ironic And to double the irony, Thomas Jefferson BOUGHT his slaves from Brown men WITH Cotton and Sugar who traded them for Cotton and Sugar from Black men in Africa who likewise had guns to grab up unarmed black men from their own country! And a NOTEWORTHY TRADER OF HUMAN LIVES... DRUM ROLL... The East India Trading Company... And supposedly England had banned slavery in England before we did. Didn't mean they didn't stop human trafficking. Anything to make a buck huh? BTW, wasn't Spain likewise up to their eyeballs in the Slave Trade? A situation SO ironic it actually has a cold feel to it huh? |
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Aw hypocrisy.... A whole nuther thread though... Because a person cannot really see outside of their perspective which is always biased to their understanding of their experiences. It is hard to find a lack of hypocrisy in what people believe or say. As for the president, you bet he will fail at some of the things he tries to do. Some because even as smart as he is, he cannot see outside of his own personal perspective. For example, he was not in favor of gays marrying when he came into office the first time. Somehow in the process of doing his job, he realized that they should be given all the rights of everyone else. Religion blocked this view for him before that time.\ Getting to universal healthcare is not a feat he is capable of with the ignorance he deals with in congress. So he will fail. But sometimes the try is what is needed. Several tries and it will get over the wall. President Obama will not do it but it may be done by one of the next presidents of his caliber and more easily because of the change he has brought himself. Obama can only pave the way to the future...it's inevitable that healthcare will become Free for all due to advancements in technology ...an example is how Doctor visits can take place over The Internet, it will even be possible to dispense medicine even perform operations via the web which would drop the bottom out of healthcare cost |
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Those who turn swords into Plowshares will plow for those who do not! -Thomas Jefferson to bad Thomas Jefferson didn't give his slaves that option you're here praising Thomas Jefferson who was to his slaves part of a tyrannical government that use guns to deny others their Rights ... but yet at the same time you're here cursing those in today's government that you believe is trying to do the same thing to you that Thomas Jefferson done to his slaves sort of ironic And to double the irony, Thomas Jefferson BOUGHT his slaves from Brown men WITH Cotton and Sugar who traded them for Cotton and Sugar from Black men in Africa who likewise had guns to grab up unarmed black men from their own country! And a NOTEWORTHY TRADER OF HUMAN LIVES... DRUM ROLL... The East India Trading Company... And supposedly England had banned slavery in England before we did. Didn't mean they didn't stop human trafficking. Anything to make a buck huh? BTW, wasn't Spain likewise up to their eyeballs in the Slave Trade? A situation SO ironic it actually has a cold feel to it huh? Brown men with Cotton nor The East India Trading Company were members of the founding father which help frame the Bill of Rights while denying the Rights of others |
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We will get back to the nuke and law enforcement arguments. Right now I would like to focus on the assumption that gun control has a direct correlation to gun violence... "Drivinmenutz"...that would be a useless argument ....because it's obvious that before there were guns..there were no gun violence .... and it's obvious that if you take away all the guns there would be no gun violence but since the 2nd amendment gives the citizens the right to bear arms and commit gun violence... therefore you have to place in laws and restrictions the same that you would do with anything else that presents a clear and present danger to society and it's citizens one such restriction is that children are not allowed to bring guns to school.... now all you have to do is say that you don't believe that such a law have any direct effect on curbing gun violence please say you don't believe...please Yes, before guns there was no "gun" violence as the technology wasn't invented yet. Yes, if you take ALL the guns away "gun" violence will most likely cease as well... So how would one take all the guns away? the 2nd amendment forbids taking guns....but it doesn't forbid placing laws with the intent to protect society from their irresponsible usage I guess that depends on the law being issued... So how would these new laws "protect society from the irresponsible"? "Drivemenutz"...I've already presented a question to you that you didn't answer ...but anyway ...let's try that question again THE QUESTION; one such restriction is that children are not allowed to bring guns to school....do you believe such a law would curb gun violence? Unfortunately it just isn't that simple. But i suppose i will "bite the bullet" on this one. It was interesting to me that I couldn't seem to find any laws that were passed on this issue until 1990. Admittedly I only searched the topic for about 15 minutes so i may have to revisit the issue. Anyhow the law passed in 1990 allowed for the declaration of "gun free" zones. Another passed in 1994 prohibited "juveniles" from possessing and/or selling handguns. Perhaps there were school "rules" established prohibiting weapons. All the information i seem to come up with shows that school homicides (couldn't seem to single-out "gun" homicides from the rest) directly coincided with the rest of the country which fell dramatically starting in 1993. As a matter of fact it continued to call until about mid 2012. (Interestingly it still remains less then 50% of what it was in the 90's) So to answer your question, i believe that such a law would do little to curb gun violence in schools or anywhere. It would appear that people were already following this "rule", as parents can all agree that letting your 8 year old take off to school with a loaded gun is wrong. Perhaps this was the point you were trying to make? |
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We will get back to the nuke and law enforcement arguments. Right now I would like to focus on the assumption that gun control has a direct correlation to gun violence... "Drivinmenutz"...that would be a useless argument ....because it's obvious that before there were guns..there were no gun violence .... and it's obvious that if you take away all the guns there would be no gun violence but since the 2nd amendment gives the citizens the right to bear arms and commit gun violence... therefore you have to place in laws and restrictions the same that you would do with anything else that presents a clear and present danger to society and it's citizens one such restriction is that children are not allowed to bring guns to school.... now all you have to do is say that you don't believe that such a law have any direct effect on curbing gun violence please say you don't believe...please Yes, before guns there was no "gun" violence as the technology wasn't invented yet. Yes, if you take ALL the guns away "gun" violence will most likely cease as well... So how would one take all the guns away? the 2nd amendment forbids taking guns....but it doesn't forbid placing laws with the intent to protect society from their irresponsible usage I guess that depends on the law being issued... So how would these new laws "protect society from the irresponsible"? "Drivemenutz"...I've already presented a question to you that you didn't answer ...but anyway ...let's try that question again THE QUESTION; one such restriction is that children are not allowed to bring guns to school....do you believe such a law would curb gun violence? Unfortunately it just isn't that simple. But i suppose i will "bite the bullet" on this one. It was interesting to me that I couldn't seem to find any laws that were passed on this issue until 1990. Admittedly I only searched the topic for about 15 minutes so i may have to revisit the issue. Anyhow the law passed in 1990 allowed for the declaration of "gun free" zones. Another passed in 1994 prohibited "juveniles" from possessing and/or selling handguns. Perhaps there were school "rules" established prohibiting weapons. All the information i seem to come up with shows that school homicides (couldn't seem to single-out "gun" homicides from the rest) directly coincided with the rest of the country which fell dramatically starting in 1993. As a matter of fact it continued to call until about mid 2012. (Interestingly it still remains less then 50% of what it was in the 90's) So to answer your question, i believe that such a law would do little to curb gun violence in schools or anywhere. It would appear that people were already following this "rule", as parents can all agree that letting your 8 year old take off to school with a loaded gun is wrong. Perhaps this was the point you were trying to make? "Drivinmenutz"..perhaps if I make the question simplier.... 1:you either believe that children without restrictions should exercise their 2nd amendment right to bear arms at school or 2: you believe that restriction should be put in place that take away children 2nd amendment right to bear arms at school whichever one you pick...explain why you believe it would or wouldn't curb gun violence |
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We will get back to the nuke and law enforcement arguments. Right now I would like to focus on the assumption that gun control has a direct correlation to gun violence... "Drivinmenutz"...that would be a useless argument ....because it's obvious that before there were guns..there were no gun violence .... and it's obvious that if you take away all the guns there would be no gun violence but since the 2nd amendment gives the citizens the right to bear arms and commit gun violence... therefore you have to place in laws and restrictions the same that you would do with anything else that presents a clear and present danger to society and it's citizens one such restriction is that children are not allowed to bring guns to school.... now all you have to do is say that you don't believe that such a law have any direct effect on curbing gun violence please say you don't believe...please Yes, before guns there was no "gun" violence as the technology wasn't invented yet. Yes, if you take ALL the guns away "gun" violence will most likely cease as well... So how would one take all the guns away? the 2nd amendment forbids taking guns....but it doesn't forbid placing laws with the intent to protect society from their irresponsible usage I guess that depends on the law being issued... So how would these new laws "protect society from the irresponsible"? "Drivemenutz"...I've already presented a question to you that you didn't answer ...but anyway ...let's try that question again THE QUESTION; one such restriction is that children are not allowed to bring guns to school....do you believe such a law would curb gun violence? Unfortunately it just isn't that simple. But i suppose i will "bite the bullet" on this one. It was interesting to me that I couldn't seem to find any laws that were passed on this issue until 1990. Admittedly I only searched the topic for about 15 minutes so i may have to revisit the issue. Anyhow the law passed in 1990 allowed for the declaration of "gun free" zones. Another passed in 1994 prohibited "juveniles" from possessing and/or selling handguns. Perhaps there were school "rules" established prohibiting weapons. All the information i seem to come up with shows that school homicides (couldn't seem to single-out "gun" homicides from the rest) directly coincided with the rest of the country which fell dramatically starting in 1993. As a matter of fact it continued to call until about mid 2012. (Interestingly it still remains less then 50% of what it was in the 90's) So to answer your question, i believe that such a law would do little to curb gun violence in schools or anywhere. It would appear that people were already following this "rule", as parents can all agree that letting your 8 year old take off to school with a loaded gun is wrong. Perhaps this was the point you were trying to make? "Drivinmenutz"..perhaps if I make the question simplier.... 1:you either believe that children without restrictions should exercise their 2nd amendment right to bear arms at school or 2: you believe that restriction should be put in place that take away children 2nd amendment right to bear arms at school whichever one you pick...explain why you believe it would or wouldn't curb gun violence This question cannot be answered with completely honest opinion, as it has been oversimplified (there are more moving parts than allowed to address.) But hey, i will play along as i believe you ultimately have a point. Option 2. Because children have not yet fully matured. Also, many have not yet received the proper instruction on how to handle a firearm. This could lead to accidental shootings. This is why we have gun safes and don't leave loaded guns lying around when 5-year-olds are running around. This what you were looking for? |
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Those who turn swords into Plowshares will plow for those who do not! -Thomas Jefferson to bad Thomas Jefferson didn't give his slaves that option you're here praising Thomos Jefferson who was to his slaves part of a tyrannical government that use guns to deny others their Rights ... but yet at the same time you're here cursing those in today's government that you believe is trying to do the same thing to you that Thomas Jefferson done to his slaves sort of ironic Indeed, the Irony is apparent. However the words he speaks are no less true... He was quite wise, and America has matured since then, recognizing the error in it's ways. President Lincoln was responsible for a movement that ultimately freed the slaves. He was a large supporter of Jefferson. Also ironic... |
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Aw hypocrisy.... A whole nuther thread though... Because a person cannot really see outside of their perspective which is always biased to their understanding of their experiences. It is hard to find a lack of hypocrisy in what people believe or say. As for the president, you bet he will fail at some of the things he tries to do. Some because even as smart as he is, he cannot see outside of his own personal perspective. For example, he was not in favor of gays marrying when he came into office the first time. Somehow in the process of doing his job, he realized that they should be given all the rights of everyone else. Religion blocked this view for him before that time.\ Getting to universal healthcare is not a feat he is capable of with the ignorance he deals with in congress. So he will fail. But sometimes the try is what is needed. Several tries and it will get over the wall. President Obama will not do it but it may be done by one of the next presidents of his caliber and more easily because of the change he has brought himself. Obama can only pave the way to the future...it's inevitable that healthcare will become Free for all due to advancements in technology ...an example is how Doctor visits can take place over The Internet, it will even be possible to dispense medicine even perform operations via the web which would drop the bottom out of healthcare cost Nothing to worry about,nothing to worry about at all! 
Nothing is Free in Life,not even Death,since it will cost you your Life,as my Old Man so aptly used to observe! |
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Those who turn swords into Plowshares will plow for those who do not! -Thomas Jefferson to bad Thomas Jefferson didn't give his slaves that option you're here praising Thomas Jefferson who was to his slaves part of a tyrannical government that use guns to deny others their Rights ... but yet at the same time you're here cursing those in today's government that you believe is trying to do the same thing to you that Thomas Jefferson done to his slaves sort of ironic And to double the irony, Thomas Jefferson BOUGHT his slaves from Brown men WITH Cotton and Sugar who traded them for Cotton and Sugar from Black men in Africa who likewise had guns to grab up unarmed black men from their own country! And a NOTEWORTHY TRADER OF HUMAN LIVES... DRUM ROLL... The East India Trading Company... And supposedly England had banned slavery in England before we did. Didn't mean they didn't stop human trafficking. Anything to make a buck huh? BTW, wasn't Spain likewise up to their eyeballs in the Slave Trade? A situation SO ironic it actually has a cold feel to it huh? Brown men with Cotton nor The East India Trading Company were members of the founding father which help frame the Bill of Rights while denying the Rights of others So what? America was conceived with the right idea but it took time to accomplish that. The struggle just for Women's suffrage took how long? But the fact is America made huge strides held back by politicians. The ultimate problem is how Americans became complacent and self centered. But what you don't see is that a Foreign business sold slaves when their parent nation abolished slavery! THAT'S ENGLAND! Oh but again you jump to extremes. Well, let us look at the History of Afghanistan... Children have been fighting in their war as young as 11. They have been known to play sniper in the hills and CHILDREN wreaked havoc with the Russians. In all reality on a lot of shooting trips I have been on the KIDS ARE THE ONES MORE CONSCIOUS ABOUT SAFETY THAN THE ADULTS ESPECIALLY AFTER OUR MORNING SAFETY MEETINGS BEFORE WE SHOOT. So armed kids honestly are more trustworthy than adults when they are taught the realities of guns and not allowed to play stupid games. We have had one kid get stupid and got a time out all day long for waving a loaded gun around. it was his dad who was on him faster than starving dogs on a freshly opened can of dog food. And likewise we have revoked the privilege of some adults to go with us becasue of disobedience to rules like NO ALCOHOL OF ANY KIND ON THE RANGE! And considering the campsite is usually on the range you are either drinking or shooting, but NEVER EVER BOTH AMONG US! Safety FIRST! And that is SOP among many others who I know shoot. But back to Irony... So you want to becry tyranny? How about Affirmative Action? How about the illegal operations within our own government? And Obama is leading the way? Planning parties and trying to push Executive orders on us like a tyrant himself. Scuttlebutt has it he has given the order to make civilians the enemy! So with that in mind he is who to what now to us? Why is it I have a bad feeling this man may have the words 'Sic Semper Tyrannus' on his head stone? The way he is going he may just wind up being a scape goat for the real evil among us. When you educate yourself on what money and banking is things become clear and terrifyingly real. If Obama is all that why did he go all George Bush on us? Bailing out Bankers? To what end? To support some illusionary notions about economy? they WHOLE system is tailored to screw people and keep us at each other's throats and gun control is just a diversion! I suppose I am making that up too? So what? We lay down our arms and kneel under their thumb? Americans need to shape up and vote for the little guy for the change. Not some banker Schill. Obama sold us out some more. Kerry would have done the same though! Gotta shove NWO down our throats. Would be nice if they had a bill of rights and a Constitution for us to go by. What is coming will set us back past the Magna Carta! Get ready for some quality serfing! |
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Those who turn swords into Plowshares will plow for those who do not! -Thomas Jefferson to bad Thomas Jefferson didn't give his slaves that option you're here praising Thomas Jefferson who was to his slaves part of a tyrannical government that use guns to deny others their Rights ... but yet at the same time you're here cursing those in today's government that you believe is trying to do the same thing to you that Thomas Jefferson done to his slaves sort of ironic And to double the irony, Thomas Jefferson BOUGHT his slaves from Brown men WITH Cotton and Sugar who traded them for Cotton and Sugar from Black men in Africa who likewise had guns to grab up unarmed black men from their own country! And a NOTEWORTHY TRADER OF HUMAN LIVES... DRUM ROLL... The East India Trading Company... And supposedly England had banned slavery in England before we did. Didn't mean they didn't stop human trafficking. Anything to make a buck huh? BTW, wasn't Spain likewise up to their eyeballs in the Slave Trade? A situation SO ironic it actually has a cold feel to it huh? Brown men with Cotton nor The East India Trading Company were members of the founding father which help frame the Bill of Rights while denying the Rights of others So what? America was conceived with the right idea but it took time to accomplish that. The struggle just for Women's suffrage took how long? But the fact is America made huge strides held back by politicians. The ultimate problem is how Americans became complacent and self centered. But what you don't see is that a Foreign business sold slaves when their parent nation abolished slavery! THAT'S ENGLAND! Oh but again you jump to extremes. Well, let us look at the History of Afghanistan... Children have been fighting in their war as young as 11. They have been known to play sniper in the hills and CHILDREN wreaked havoc with the Russians. In all reality on a lot of shooting trips I have been on the KIDS ARE THE ONES MORE CONSCIOUS ABOUT SAFETY THAN THE ADULTS ESPECIALLY AFTER OUR MORNING SAFETY MEETINGS BEFORE WE SHOOT. So armed kids honestly are more trustworthy than adults when they are taught the realities of guns and not allowed to play stupid games. We have had one kid get stupid and got a time out all day long for waving a loaded gun around. it was his dad who was on him faster than starving dogs on a freshly opened can of dog food. And likewise we have revoked the privilege of some adults to go with us becasue of disobedience to rules like NO ALCOHOL OF ANY KIND ON THE RANGE! And considering the campsite is usually on the range you are either drinking or shooting, but NEVER EVER BOTH AMONG US! Safety FIRST! And that is SOP among many others who I know shoot. But back to Irony... So you want to becry tyranny? How about Affirmative Action? How about the illegal operations within our own government? And Obama is leading the way? Planning parties and trying to push Executive orders on us like a tyrant himself. Scuttlebutt has it he has given the order to make civilians the enemy! So with that in mind he is who to what now to us? Why is it I have a bad feeling this man may have the words 'Sic Semper Tyrannus' on his head stone? The way he is going he may just wind up being a scape goat for the real evil among us. When you educate yourself on what money and banking is things become clear and terrifyingly real. If Obama is all that why did he go all George Bush on us? Bailing out Bankers? To what end? To support some illusionary notions about economy? they WHOLE system is tailored to screw people and keep us at each other's throats and gun control is just a diversion! I suppose I am making that up too? So what? We lay down our arms and kneel under their thumb? Americans need to shape up and vote for the little guy for the change. Not some banker Schill. Obama sold us out some more. Kerry would have done the same though! Gotta shove NWO down our throats. Would be nice if they had a bill of rights and a Constitution for us to go by. What is coming will set us back past the Magna Carta! Get ready for some quality serfing! He's in the right spot now! No need to even go to Paris this time! |
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We will get back to the nuke and law enforcement arguments. Right now I would like to focus on the assumption that gun control has a direct correlation to gun violence... "Drivinmenutz"...that would be a useless argument ....because it's obvious that before there were guns..there were no gun violence .... and it's obvious that if you take away all the guns there would be no gun violence but since the 2nd amendment gives the citizens the right to bear arms and commit gun violence... therefore you have to place in laws and restrictions the same that you would do with anything else that presents a clear and present danger to society and it's citizens one such restriction is that children are not allowed to bring guns to school.... now all you have to do is say that you don't believe that such a law have any direct effect on curbing gun violence please say you don't believe...please Yes, before guns there was no "gun" violence as the technology wasn't invented yet. Yes, if you take ALL the guns away "gun" violence will most likely cease as well... So how would one take all the guns away? the 2nd amendment forbids taking guns....but it doesn't forbid placing laws with the intent to protect society from their irresponsible usage I guess that depends on the law being issued... So how would these new laws "protect society from the irresponsible"? "Drivemenutz"...I've already presented a question to you that you didn't answer ...but anyway ...let's try that question again THE QUESTION; one such restriction is that children are not allowed to bring guns to school....do you believe such a law would curb gun violence? Unfortunately it just isn't that simple. But i suppose i will "bite the bullet" on this one. It was interesting to me that I couldn't seem to find any laws that were passed on this issue until 1990. Admittedly I only searched the topic for about 15 minutes so i may have to revisit the issue. Anyhow the law passed in 1990 allowed for the declaration of "gun free" zones. Another passed in 1994 prohibited "juveniles" from possessing and/or selling handguns. Perhaps there were school "rules" established prohibiting weapons. All the information i seem to come up with shows that school homicides (couldn't seem to single-out "gun" homicides from the rest) directly coincided with the rest of the country which fell dramatically starting in 1993. As a matter of fact it continued to call until about mid 2012. (Interestingly it still remains less then 50% of what it was in the 90's) So to answer your question, i believe that such a law would do little to curb gun violence in schools or anywhere. It would appear that people were already following this "rule", as parents can all agree that letting your 8 year old take off to school with a loaded gun is wrong. Perhaps this was the point you were trying to make? "Drivinmenutz"..perhaps if I make the question simplier.... 1:you either believe that children without restrictions should exercise their 2nd amendment right to bear arms at school or 2: you believe that restriction should be put in place that take away children 2nd amendment right to bear arms at school whichever one you pick...explain why you believe it would or wouldn't curb gun violence This question cannot be answered with completely honest opinion, as it has been oversimplified (there are more moving parts than allowed to address.) But hey, i will play along as i believe you ultimately have a point. Option 2. Because children have not yet fully matured. Also, many have not yet received the proper instruction on how to handle a firearm. This could lead to accidental shootings. This is why we have gun safes and don't leave loaded guns lying around when 5-year-olds are running around. This what you were looking for? now that you have choose option two.....is that perhaps an indication that you believe that taking away the children's 2nd amendment right to bear arms at school would also curb gun violence? |
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Those who turn swords into Plowshares will plow for those who do not! -Thomas Jefferson to bad Thomas Jefferson didn't give his slaves that option you're here praising Thomos Jefferson who was to his slaves part of a tyrannical government that use guns to deny others their Rights ... but yet at the same time you're here cursing those in today's government that you believe is trying to do the same thing to you that Thomas Jefferson done to his slaves sort of ironic Indeed, the Irony is apparent. However the words he speaks are no less true... He was quite wise, and America has matured since then, recognizing the error in it's ways. President Lincoln was responsible for a movement that ultimately freed the slaves. He was a large supporter of Jefferson. Also ironic... if you speak for the rights of one group of people while in the same breath denying the same for another group,... that is not being wise, that is being clueless if Lincoln was truely a supporter of Jefferson he would have opted to have sex and make babies with slaves not Free them |
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Aw hypocrisy.... A whole nuther thread though... Because a person cannot really see outside of their perspective which is always biased to their understanding of their experiences. It is hard to find a lack of hypocrisy in what people believe or say. As for the president, you bet he will fail at some of the things he tries to do. Some because even as smart as he is, he cannot see outside of his own personal perspective. For example, he was not in favor of gays marrying when he came into office the first time. Somehow in the process of doing his job, he realized that they should be given all the rights of everyone else. Religion blocked this view for him before that time.\ Getting to universal healthcare is not a feat he is capable of with the ignorance he deals with in congress. So he will fail. But sometimes the try is what is needed. Several tries and it will get over the wall. President Obama will not do it but it may be done by one of the next presidents of his caliber and more easily because of the change he has brought himself. Obama can only pave the way to the future...it's inevitable that healthcare will become Free for all due to advancements in technology ...an example is how Doctor visits can take place over The Internet, it will even be possible to dispense medicine even perform operations via the web which would drop the bottom out of healthcare cost Nothing to worry about,nothing to worry about at all!
Nothing is Free in Life,not even Death,since it will cost you your Life,as my Old Man so aptly used to observe! if nothing in life is free...then you would have no problem paying taxes, because one day you will need Free Healthcare don't believe me...go ask those that lost everything in hurricaines or tornados or other disasters what they think about Obamacare Obamacare is just like laywers, you complain about them... until one day you need them |
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Those who turn swords into Plowshares will plow for those who do not! -Thomas Jefferson to bad Thomas Jefferson didn't give his slaves that option you're here praising Thomas Jefferson who was to his slaves part of a tyrannical government that use guns to deny others their Rights ... but yet at the same time you're here cursing those in today's government that you believe is trying to do the same thing to you that Thomas Jefferson done to his slaves sort of ironic And to double the irony, Thomas Jefferson BOUGHT his slaves from Brown men WITH Cotton and Sugar who traded them for Cotton and Sugar from Black men in Africa who likewise had guns to grab up unarmed black men from their own country! And a NOTEWORTHY TRADER OF HUMAN LIVES... DRUM ROLL... The East India Trading Company... And supposedly England had banned slavery in England before we did. Didn't mean they didn't stop human trafficking. Anything to make a buck huh? BTW, wasn't Spain likewise up to their eyeballs in the Slave Trade? A situation SO ironic it actually has a cold feel to it huh? Brown men with Cotton nor The East India Trading Company were members of the founding father which help frame the Bill of Rights while denying the Rights of others So what? America was conceived with the right idea but it took time to accomplish that. The struggle just for Women's suffrage took how long? But the fact is America made huge strides held back by politicians. The ultimate problem is how Americans became complacent and self centered. But what you don't see is that a Foreign business sold slaves when their parent nation abolished slavery! THAT'S ENGLAND! Oh but again you jump to extremes. Well, let us look at the History of Afghanistan... Children have been fighting in their war as young as 11. They have been known to play sniper in the hills and CHILDREN wreaked havoc with the Russians. In all reality on a lot of shooting trips I have been on the KIDS ARE THE ONES MORE CONSCIOUS ABOUT SAFETY THAN THE ADULTS ESPECIALLY AFTER OUR MORNING SAFETY MEETINGS BEFORE WE SHOOT. So armed kids honestly are more trustworthy than adults when they are taught the realities of guns and not allowed to play stupid games. We have had one kid get stupid and got a time out all day long for waving a loaded gun around. it was his dad who was on him faster than starving dogs on a freshly opened can of dog food. And likewise we have revoked the privilege of some adults to go with us becasue of disobedience to rules like NO ALCOHOL OF ANY KIND ON THE RANGE! And considering the campsite is usually on the range you are either drinking or shooting, but NEVER EVER BOTH AMONG US! Safety FIRST! And that is SOP among many others who I know shoot. But back to Irony... So you want to becry tyranny? How about Affirmative Action? How about the illegal operations within our own government? And Obama is leading the way? Planning parties and trying to push Executive orders on us like a tyrant himself. Scuttlebutt has it he has given the order to make civilians the enemy! So with that in mind he is who to what now to us? Why is it I have a bad feeling this man may have the words 'Sic Semper Tyrannus' on his head stone? The way he is going he may just wind up being a scape goat for the real evil among us. When you educate yourself on what money and banking is things become clear and terrifyingly real. If Obama is all that why did he go all George Bush on us? Bailing out Bankers? To what end? To support some illusionary notions about economy? they WHOLE system is tailored to screw people and keep us at each other's throats and gun control is just a diversion! I suppose I am making that up too? So what? We lay down our arms and kneel under their thumb? Americans need to shape up and vote for the little guy for the change. Not some banker Schill. Obama sold us out some more. Kerry would have done the same though! Gotta shove NWO down our throats. Would be nice if they had a bill of rights and a Constitution for us to go by. What is coming will set us back past the Magna Carta! Get ready for some quality serfing! you keep trying to make the fact that Jefferson brought slaves from places where slavery was supposedly abolished as being a good thing in Jefferson's favor if Jefferson knew that slavery was abolished in England and he still brought slaves from them...then that makes him the same type of corrupted politician that you have been here in the forum complaining about ....remember your posts as to how "you hate corruption" ...but yet here you are praising a politician that done corruption also if Jefferson as you claim knew that slavery was abolished in ENGLAND....did he not ask himself or them why? |
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Those who turn swords into Plowshares will plow for those who do not! -Thomas Jefferson to bad Thomas Jefferson didn't give his slaves that option you're here praising Thomas Jefferson who was to his slaves part of a tyrannical government that use guns to deny others their Rights ... but yet at the same time you're here cursing those in today's government that you believe is trying to do the same thing to you that Thomas Jefferson done to his slaves sort of ironic And to double the irony, Thomas Jefferson BOUGHT his slaves from Brown men WITH Cotton and Sugar who traded them for Cotton and Sugar from Black men in Africa who likewise had guns to grab up unarmed black men from their own country! And a NOTEWORTHY TRADER OF HUMAN LIVES... DRUM ROLL... The East India Trading Company... And supposedly England had banned slavery in England before we did. Didn't mean they didn't stop human trafficking. Anything to make a buck huh? BTW, wasn't Spain likewise up to their eyeballs in the Slave Trade? A situation SO ironic it actually has a cold feel to it huh? Brown men with Cotton nor The East India Trading Company were members of the founding father which help frame the Bill of Rights while denying the Rights of others So what? America was conceived with the right idea but it took time to accomplish that. The struggle just for Women's suffrage took how long? But the fact is America made huge strides held back by politicians. The ultimate problem is how Americans became complacent and self centered. But what you don't see is that a Foreign business sold slaves when their parent nation abolished slavery! THAT'S ENGLAND! Oh but again you jump to extremes. Well, let us look at the History of Afghanistan... Children have been fighting in their war as young as 11. They have been known to play sniper in the hills and CHILDREN wreaked havoc with the Russians. In all reality on a lot of shooting trips I have been on the KIDS ARE THE ONES MORE CONSCIOUS ABOUT SAFETY THAN THE ADULTS ESPECIALLY AFTER OUR MORNING SAFETY MEETINGS BEFORE WE SHOOT. So armed kids honestly are more trustworthy than adults when they are taught the realities of guns and not allowed to play stupid games. We have had one kid get stupid and got a time out all day long for waving a loaded gun around. it was his dad who was on him faster than starving dogs on a freshly opened can of dog food. And likewise we have revoked the privilege of some adults to go with us becasue of disobedience to rules like NO ALCOHOL OF ANY KIND ON THE RANGE! And considering the campsite is usually on the range you are either drinking or shooting, but NEVER EVER BOTH AMONG US! Safety FIRST! And that is SOP among many others who I know shoot. But back to Irony... So you want to becry tyranny? How about Affirmative Action? How about the illegal operations within our own government? And Obama is leading the way? Planning parties and trying to push Executive orders on us like a tyrant himself. Scuttlebutt has it he has given the order to make civilians the enemy! So with that in mind he is who to what now to us? Why is it I have a bad feeling this man may have the words 'Sic Semper Tyrannus' on his head stone? The way he is going he may just wind up being a scape goat for the real evil among us. When you educate yourself on what money and banking is things become clear and terrifyingly real. If Obama is all that why did he go all George Bush on us? Bailing out Bankers? To what end? To support some illusionary notions about economy? they WHOLE system is tailored to screw people and keep us at each other's throats and gun control is just a diversion! I suppose I am making that up too? So what? We lay down our arms and kneel under their thumb? Americans need to shape up and vote for the little guy for the change. Not some banker Schill. Obama sold us out some more. Kerry would have done the same though! Gotta shove NWO down our throats. Would be nice if they had a bill of rights and a Constitution for us to go by. What is coming will set us back past the Magna Carta! Get ready for some quality serfing! you keep trying to make the fact that Jefferson brought slaves from places where slavery was supposedly abolished as being a good thing in Jefferson's favor if Jefferson knew that slavery was abolished in England and he still brought slaves from them...then that makes him the same type of corrupted politician that you have been here in the forum complaining about ....remember your posts as to how "you hate corruption" ...but yet here you are praising a politician that done corruption also if Jefferson as you claim knew that slavery was abolished in ENGLAND....did he not ask himself or them why? The oppressed have a LONG history of becoming the oppressors! And yet here YOU are still clinging to the past. Some of us are trying to look ahead and not get stuck in the mire of such fallacious belief! And a government that uses GUNS to impose on the rights of others? We don't just use guns, WE USE LAWS LIKE AFFIRMATIVE ACTION! Yeah, not getting a job becasue I am WHITE? After all the years of school I never thought I would run afoul of a Segregationist policy! Well, I did. So call that reverse racism? IT IS! So know I know how blacks feel? BULLSHYTE! I thought we were supposed to rid ourselves of racism and yet it is invoked against me and I AM CALLED A RACIST? So what have you done to make this world a better place? So now you want to talk about slavery, what do you think the lot of Illegal Aliens is and what it does to the work pool here? They are WILLING to take slave wages! And yet the Unions SCREAM about the failing work wage... Gee, I wonder why. And people are so hot for their instant gratification and Pharma sells them on pills make everything better. So where is the pill that gets America back on a solvent budget? Bla bla bla, blacks were so deprived of their rights. SO FUCQUING WHAT? This is 2013 my man and America is in BIG trouble and we are led by people who use us all as a means to an end. So are you going to dwell in PRE 1960s America? If I didn't know any better I would swear you live by a self propagating lie. WE are the ones who keep voting these cretins in who destroy our homes and steal from us using the law. So now what? If you are so smart how do we fix this mess? Hold hands and sing KumByeYa and HOPE Obama and Congress doesn't screw us some more? And your last question I am not even going to offer an answer to becasue of how retarded it really is! I cannot even qualify a response top such a loaded trick question. You think the Founding Fathers were not aware of English law? WHO DO YOU THINK ESTABLISHED SLAVERY AS A PRACTICE IN AMERICA?  ENGLAND!
Why? AMERICA WAS A COLONY AND NOT ENGLAND PROPER!
English law and English rights did not extend to COLONIES! They IMPOSED SPECIAL LAWS ON THEIR COLONIES!
Anything to keep that money rolling in! Just like today!  DO I need to make a fresh pot of coffee so you can smell it?
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The oppressed have a LONG history of becoming the oppressors! And yet here YOU are still clinging to the past. Some of us are trying to look ahead and not get stuck in the mire of such fallacious belief! cool AndyBgood...perhaps that is an indication that you will no longer "google cut and paste" quotes from Thomas Jefferson...or "google cut and paste" useless stuff about The Roman Army, or "google cut and paste" black and white photos from the 1940s showing The Civil Defense Neighborhood Watch Militia that didn't excercise their 2nd amendment rights and choose not to carry guns remember...as you stated...look ahead |
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