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Topic: States considering charging NON Gun owners with fines
Conrad_73's photo
Tue 01/15/13 08:34 AM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Tue 01/15/13 08:35 AM





You sure sang a different tune about buying health insurance.


Funny enough, I was going to say the same about the OP and anyone who agrees with him. You b*tch and moan about health insurance, but want everyone to be forced to buy a gun or pay a fine? Interesting.
That is if we were really intereted in such a piece of legislation being passed.

Cant speak for the OP, but I would fight against any kind of registration of non-gun owners as much as I would for gun owners.

The unintended consequence would be the opposite of what we would want, registering non-gun owners is really registering gun owners at the same time. Whats left over and all that . . .

Also, the idea that we should tax people based on their life styles to me is offensive to my sense of liberty.

HOWEVER, the absurdity is HILARIOUS! Seeing the contradictions form as people argue against this legislation all the while arguing for things like a sugar tax in NY, or universal health care mandates and the list goes on.

It really goes to show you bad ideas abound, it is almost natural for humans to want to tinker with a system, but far too few are equipped to think past there own rhetoric.



sort of absurd like registering Firearms-Owners!
Next thing you know you'll have to register your Woodchisels if you're a Woodworker,and a Cook all of his Carving Knives!

Really none of Government's Beeswax what Tools anyone owns!

JustDukkyMkII's photo
Tue 01/15/13 09:07 AM
Edited by JustDukkyMkII on Tue 01/15/13 09:13 AM


I love this!

It is entirely in keeping with what I've been saying, that rights & duties go hand-in-hand...Americans have a Second Amendment DUTY to arm themselves to be a well-regulated militia. That is what gives them the Second Amendment RIGHT to buy arms.

They didn't need a second amendment to have the right to buy guns to defend themselves...They always had that right, written or not, however, the government might be able to limit the type of arms people could buy in such a case.

Buying competent arms for the militia is much more than just the semi-autos they are trying to restrict; it is the right to buy rocket launchers, 50 cals, grenades etc....Those are arms too, and they are arms guaranteed by the second amendment. So if those are unavailable for purchase by reasonable American citizens, you already live under an unconstitutional tyranny and should be marching on washington to DEMAND YOUR RIGHT TO OBTAIN & BEAR THEM.
Duty toward WHOM?

No such Thing,NOT in a Free Society!
Demand from WHOM?
Government doesn't grant Rights!
It's function is to be the protector of those Rights!

http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/duty.html

http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/individual_rights.html

The right of the people to keep and bear arms is an extension of the natural right to self-defense and a hallmark of personal sovereignty. It is specifically insulated from governmental interference by the Constitution and has historically been the linchpin of resistance to tyranny.


Everyone in a society has a natural duty to the others in that society under the natural duty to care (i.e. peaceful coexistence with and support of your fellow man with whom you have to live). For a nation we can call this "The People." It is in our nature as a communal animal to help and protect one another and it is my contention that this forms a duty to one's fellow man, which can manifest in a duty to his nation. One should remember at this point that a nation is a people, not a piece of real estate administered by public servants who forgot their duty is to the nation and not its banks.

The situation now is rather pathetic, as most people have become the children of their "government" instead of its supervisor and "boss." It is well past the time for people to finally grow up and return the reigns of power to the rightful hands...The People. Only then can a society be truly free.

The demand of duty comes from us, all of us, because we care about our fellow man. We have the right to live as a hermit and have no interaction at all with our fellows, but most of us don't. We have family, friends and neighbours that we care about and that care manifests itself in the natural duty to care. It is to this duty that I referred.

Specifically, I referred to the duty of the members of a free nation to protect one another by being a militia of free people, willing to defend their free society from all enemies, foreign or domestic.

You are 100% correct that "government" doesn't grant rights; we grant them to ourselves by virtue of the implied social contract called natural law. This contract consists of rights and duties, which must go hand in hand in any free society (e.g. your right not to be killed unjustly is "granted" by your duty (contractual obligation) to not kill anyone else unjustly.) To the extent that The People are the true government of a nation, it becomes erroneous to say that government doesn't grant rights; we do, because the true government is really us governing ourselves and in order for us to properly govern our nation we have a duty to protect the rights of each and every one of us.

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