many of muslim beliefs are the same as christian beliefs,, why shouldnt I pay attention?


I defend Wrights WARNING of where we could head,,,,,there was an IF after that 'GD america' statement that people love to quote so often, there were several IFS that followed it

is there something in the bible that prohibits me from listening to anyone not labeled a 'christian'?.....

I Think you would have to 'pay attention' to what is said to truly declare it hateful or anti semitic

what I have PAID attention to , is much deeper than that simple and easy condemnation however,,,,


,,to answer what he has said that is wise and true




Now, we almost finished. I want to take one last look at the word atonement. The first four letters of the word form the foundation a-t-o-n, aton. Aton. Since this obelisk in front of us is representative of Egypt and the 18th dynasty, a pharaoh Akhenaton was the first man of this history period to destroy the pantheon of many gods and bring the people of the worship of one god, and that one god was symboled by a sun disk with 19 rays coming out of that sun with hands holding Egyptian ankh, the cross of life. Aton. The name for the one god in ancient Egypt.

Aton, the one god, 19 rays Look at your scripture. A woman, remember the nine? Means somebody pregnant with an idea. But in this case, it's a woman pregnant with a male child destined to rule the nations where they're all divine. God is standing over her womb, and this child will be like the day's sun. And he will say I am the light of the world. Hands coming out of that sun - come unto me, all ye that are heavy laden. I'm gonna give you respite. I'm going to give you life because I am the resurrection and the life, and if you believe in me, though you are dead, yet shall you live again.

You're dead, black man. But if you believe in the God who created this sun of truth and of light with 19 rays meaning he's pregnant with God's spirit, God's light, God's wisdom. Abraham Lincoln's statue, 19 feet high, 19 feet wide. Jefferson, 19 feet high, and the third president, 19, standing on the steps of the Capitol in the light of the sun, offering life to a people who are dead. Black man, be atoned, represents the one God.

In the Koran, Muhammad is called a light-giving sun. So if you look at the aton, add an E to it, and separate the A from the next four letters and you get the word atone. Tone means sound and A, the first letter of the alphabet. And the first letter of the numerical system is one, so A equals one. So A sound means when you hear the A tone you will hear the right sound. And when you hear the right sound from the one God calling you to divine light, you will respond.

So what is the A tone? In music, A equals 440 vibrations. How long have we been in America? Four hundred and forty years. Well, in the 440th year from the one God, the aton, will come the atone, and all of us got to tune up our lives by the sound of the A tone because we've got to atone for all that we have done wrong. And when you atone, if you take the T and couple it with the A and hyphenate it, you get at-one. So when you atone you become at-one. At-one with who? The aton, or the one God. Because you heard the A tone and you tuned up your life, and now you're ready to make a new beginning. So when you get at-one you get the next two letters, it is ME. Me. Who is that has to atone? Who?



..this is a call to black people to 'atone' for what is wrong in THEIR pasts,,,(Being that he is a black man), I find that wise and true

he breaks down ATONEMent,,,,in three metaphors,,,

the A Tone (440 vibrations) to relate it to our time in the states
the Aton (the ancient egypt 'one God')
and AT ONE( what we need to be)

,, so I consider this and many of the other things he says to be very wise,,, yes,,,

that does not mean I have to or do agree with EVERYTHING he says,,,

are u discussing richard wright

he was an expat who in mt opinion really would have preferred an america where he felt that he did not have to be ralph ellison's invisible man - ellison is BTW the best author of the times I think - except for Malcolm - he's the best

but Wright was damning racism in America - not the potential of America and I think he as correct

I say damn racism in America too

I guess I dont believe it to be absolutely wrong though, and I believe all americans to be racist so it would be impossible to keep 'distance', without completely isolating myself,,,

Projection is a defense mechanism that involves taking our own unacceptable qualities or feelings and ascribing them to other people. For example, if you have a strong dislike for someone, you might instead believe that he or she does not like you. Projection works by allowing the expression of the desire or impulse, but in a way that the ego cannot recognize, therefore reducing anxiety.

Projection is a form of defense in which unwanted feelings are displaced onto another person, where they then appear as a threat from the external world. A common form of projection occurs when an individual, threatened by his own angry feelings, accuses another of harbouring hostile thoughts.

I guess I dont believe it to be absolutely wrong though . . .

Perhaps i misspoke, my intention was not to blame the media, merely bring some attention to the fact that it largely influences culture.

The checks and balances comment derived from the haste at which rights are diminished "for our own good". For example; The patriot act overrides our right to due process (trial by jury and such) which falls under the 4th amendment i think, and the first is overridden by the "fairness doctrine" which was passed to "protect us" from a biased media, negates the first amendment. Gun control is always on the docket, this negates the second amendment. These rights serve as a line of defense in the checks and balances arena. We, the people, are meant to keep the government in check. Just like each branch of the government is meant to keep the others in check.

no,,lol,,, the Reverend Jeremiah Wright

he was the pastor at the Church in chicago where the OBamas attended

he gave a sermon shortly after 9/11 (on 9/16 to be exact) contemplating anti muslim sentiment and potential retaliation,, I expect

The English word atonement is purely an English word that was made up circa the early 1500s. The word has nothing to do with ancient Egypt.

and 'history' has nothing to do with gender(that we have been told of anyhow)

but the metaphor still stands as 'his story', its used quite often in the discussion of 'history'

Enlighten us. Just what forms of racism do you consider to be acceptable?

You are still following Muslim teachings, which is something that Christians aren't supposed to do.

well, in a conversation that is deeper than 'right/wrong'

there are many forms of racism , prejudice, and bigotry, that are understandable and possibly quite human,,,,

for example, someone brought up around only blond haired blue eyed people, and beaten periodically by people who are darker,,may understandably come to have a racist view about anyone not blond haired and blue eyed

people brought up with constant images of men being successful and intelligent and strong, may develop a sexist view about a mans 'place' or a womans 'place'


people brought up constantly seeing noone or very few people of their race being successful or strong, may develop the racist view that those traits dont exist in their own race

people can be 'conditioned' by their environment and experiences to have UNDERSTANDABLE false beliefs and impressions , and thats a form of racism

many of these people dont necessary have any form of HATE in their heart, anymore than I hate children because of the 'place' I believe them to have in a family,,,,but they never the less have a race bias conditioned into them based upon their own environment and experiences,,,,


then, there are people, who have alot of HATE for an entire race, without much consideration for the individuality within that race

,,,these are all types of racism (with one example of sexism) but they are not always from HATE or from HATEFUL people,, and so they are not all 'wrong' in the sense of morals

although they may be 'wrong' in the sense of truth,,,

I did not ask you to name understandable forms of racism.

I asked you to name acceptable forms of racism, which you have not done.

Also, are you an American? Earlier, you said, "I believe all americans to be racist."

can you point to the verse that says that?

I recall , 'there is neither jew nor gentile,,,,,'

a religious label doesnt automatically make anyone better or worse than anyone else when it comes to truth

truth is truth, regardless of who delivers it,,,

no,,lol,,, the Reverend Jeremiah Wright

he was the pastor at the Church in chicago where the OBamas attended

he gave a sermon shortly after 9/11 (on 9/16 to be exact) contemplating anti muslim sentiment and potential retaliation,, I expect

it was called 'the day of jerusalems fall'

in the sermon he made comparisons of jerusalems fall with modern american morals

during that speech, he quoted an admiral who had stated that the 'chickens coming home to roost', which people later inferred meant he condoned or supported 9/11 personally

there was also a snippet from another sermon that was dug up given in 2003, where the statement was made 'God Damn AMerica'

the fuller sentence was actually 'God Bless America.” No, no, no. Not “God Bless America”; God Damn America! That’s in the Bible, for killing innocent people. God Damn America for treating her citizen as less than human. God Damn America as long as she keeps trying to act like she is God and she is supreme! '



when OBama ran some 7 years later, media got a hold of the footage and ran with it , the guilt by association began, and a whole political 'scandal' unfolded leading to Obama distancing himself from his pastor,,,

You are seeking spiritual truth from a Muslim, and yet in your profile you claim to be a Christian.

You are still following Muslim teachings, which is something that Christians aren't supposed to do.

yes

I am american

I refer to myself as a racist in recovery

kind of like an alcoholic

heck, I already stated there was a time where every time I saw a white male I saw a rapist,,,,life and experience has changed that particular RACIAL bias

but society and media constantly feed me others,,,as they do any american with a tv or pulic education

Well, your belief that all Americans are racists is a false belief.

I am an American, and I am not a racist. The only thing that I hate more than racism is Satan himself.

To a non-racist like me, racism is absolutely wrong.

If you deny that racism is absolutely wrong, then cite what form of racism that is acceptable to you.