I dont believe he deserves notiable mention in regards to human endeavers, but that should be obviouse, I doubt you will find anyone who will say he should go down in history. But he already has. His accomplishment? Death upon the defenceless. That will not go down in history, it is already. That means nothing. It happened, it can not be erased. 100 years from now people will know it happened, so what? Does that elevate him? No. Does it exalt him? No. HISTORY IS NOT DEFINED BY ITS ACHKNOWLEDGEMENT. ITS DEFINED BY ITS LEGACY AND THAT WHICH IT TEACHES. ID RATHER REMEMBER THAN FORGET. AS FORGETTING OFTEN LEADS TO ITS REOCCURENCE.

I couldnt agree with you more MsH. Truth can heal once excepted as such. But to cover, hinder, distort or erase is the same as a untruth, thereby leaving the untruth to persist. Id rather have the truth.

Should i take note of what you said simply because you were shouting??

My point is, and i don't need to shout it out if you really want to take note of what i have to say. The tragedy should not be forgotten, but the person who is responsible for it should be.

And by continuing on with this conversation, i'm defeating my purpose. Do what you must do...it's your choice.

Wickedness on this earth has gone rampant.

We adults are guilty of not giving our children the exposure to moral stability and soundness.

Children need rightness.
They'll thrive in goodness not in wickedness.

Why do we turn their world upside down and inside out for our own selfish pleasures?

I hear a lot of thirty year olds, and over, talk about how beautiful and safe their world environment was "back in the day".

But yet many of them have pushed for and agreed with so many changes in our laws today
which have contributed to the moral decay of our society. (I won't name those contributing changes, you all know them)

With the things that young people witness today there's no surprise in their behavior.

And we can't blame everything on their mental disorders, autism et al..

If we don't fix the moral wrongs of our society...
then we should brace ourselves for even more outward signs of aggravation.

Some of our doings come back to bite us, hard!

Well...

Okay... there's too many points to try to address in this thread, so I'll just say some stuff and then walk away and post pictures of girls with purple hair posing in gas masks in my thread.

Firstly, society is a social construct and a concept. Society is a collection of individuals. The more focus on the societal concept, the less focus on the individual and the necessity of understanding individual choice.

I hold no belief in wickedness or divinity. Either everything is sacred or nothing is (my belief - I have no desire for you to share it).

It is a personal choice to elevate Lanza into a position any higher than that of a murderer, which has been established. The exact details of any mental illness(es) he may have been suffering haven't been fully substantiated yet so I don't think it's fair for me to comment on that, at least at this point.

As Fear pointed out, we probably won't know a great portion of the details for several months, and the media will probably never release absolutely all of the details.

It's been years since I've read or studies the Christian bible. As far as I know though, suicides are all supposed to go to hell.

I think hell is probably the most boring concept man ever conceived.

There's a lot of theology mixed into all this... and this isn't even the right room for that. So I'll adjust my train of thought really quickly.

If you need to forget a name or cease to see it so that you can feel comfortable, that's an individual choice. As for 'experts' not being able to come up with ample solutions to what appears to be an ever evolving increase in adolescent mental illness, I would propose that giving kids massive amounts of prescription medication with a variety of psychoactive effects that essentially override all positive merits of the drug... is empirically poor decision making.

It's time to listen. It's time to recognize that omitting what is uncomfortable is essentially assuming a social cataract.

I thrive in chaos, and anything destructive or constructive that I do is an act of will. I don't believe in god or karma. I'm no worried that karmic justice will find me if I do something cruel and I don't refrain from cruelty because "I wouldn't like it if it happened to me". I simply do it as an act of will and because I feel like it.

Even with a pre-established moral system, you still need to make a willful choice in your actions. Relenting to forgetfulness will occur anyway. If you give it some time, like everything else in the news, it will be replaced by the next horror.

People are quick to point out the obvious problems and what they think ought to happen, but i don't read anything about people taking steps to actually doing anything about it.

Here's a thought....

"What if"...the mental cases really had it in their minds that by taking the lives of innocents would ensure their place in history?? What if that's not just an assumption? At least i'm making an attempt to keep the name out of my social networking circles.

Btw Ms H...i wasn't expecting anybody to jump up and do what i have done. It was merely a suggestion, but to play devil advocate on that suggestion is rather ironic from a christian. I mean...you could just as easily have disagreed without saying so ;-)

where did the notion come from that christians cant disagree with other people?

It is precisely the christian attitude in me that caused me to want to give another option to those who may be reading

to not write this boy off as a monster deserving of being forgotten, but to try to remember and learn from it instead

I never said that christians couldn't disagree. I said i found it ironic that they choose to play devils advocate. So that is where you got your notion from. ;-)

It wasn't an option i was offering but a suggestion, although how many times i must repeat this is beyond me. But by all means, if it is the will of your christian self to continue to keep this 'things' memory alive...you are quite within your right to do so. I have chosen not to, simply because if notoriety is desirable by these mental cases, then refusing to acknowledge what they've done is at least an active step.

I never said that christians couldn't disagree. I said i found it ironic that they choose to play devils advocate. So that is where you got your notion from. ;-)

It wasn't an option i was offering but a suggestion, although how many times i must repeat this is beyond me. But by all means, if it is the will of your christian self to continue to keep this 'things' memory alive...you are quite within your right to do so. I have chosen not to, simply because if notoriety is desirable by these mental cases, then refusing to acknowledge what they've done is at least an active step.

I believe the 20yr old boy suffered a mental torment of some sort.

Those 20 little children did nothing to him.

He had a distorted view of the school and it's inhabitants.

He took his own life as well as their's and his own mother's.

There was no evidence of his desire for fame and notoriety.

His life ended short of receiving that alleged goal.

He didn't bask in the pleasure of the act.

there is no way to make what they have done disappear and no way to not 'aknowledge' what was done so long as the victims are aknowledged

u just dont get one without the other,,,imho

and it was not devils advocate at all, it was merely disagreeing


the devil would probably want me to hate and damn the sinner instead of the sin
but I try not to do that

have they even buried him yet?

its funny how everyone was soooo pissed off and was talking **** about him but now everyone feels sorry for him. i dont get it.

'everyone' wasnt pissed off at him

many of us were just in disbelief and concern

Living under the conditions we do, in the world we do, garnering information form a "sponsored" media as we do.....

who here can claim as "FACT" the events of this or any other crime committed and delivered for belief by such a media?

Who here, was there, and knows for a fact that this 2o yr old Lanza is in fact guilty of the crime at all?

Who is more guilty, the accuser or the accused when there is no proof offered other than opinion that contradicts itself as it unfolds?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZPS7AdgNgE&feature=youtu.be

There are multiple sides to every story, opinions and beliefs, until truth is known.... until then ALL of it is assumption, opinion, and your personal belief system.