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Topic: 7th day Adventist Church
CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sun 12/16/12 04:05 PM
The believe in Jesus but in sabbath more. Here they lay more emphasis on sabbath, not eating crayfish, snail and stuffs that don't bleed more than Jesus. In fact, they say if you aren't worshipping on saturday you doomed. Makes no sense. They do not eat those, because they follow the old testament if I'm not mistaken. In the old testament it tells us not to eat of these beasts, because they are "unclean". Leviticus 11:26-28 26 The carcases of every beast which divideth the hoof, and is not clovenfooted, nor cheweth the cud, are unclean unto you: every one that toucheth them shall be unclean. 27 And whatsoever goeth upon his paws, among all manner of beasts that go on all four, those are unclean unto you: whoso toucheth their carcase shall be unclean until the even. 28 And he that beareth the carcase of them shall wash his clothes, and be unclean until the even: they are unclean unto you. But this no longer applies to us. Because that is why God flooded the Earth. That is why Noah was told to only get pairs of certain animals. God was cleansing the world, not just from the sin, but also the uncleanliness it had gotten through the years. So now that it's been flooded and only the clean beasts were brought on the ark, there are no longer "unclean" beasts. Dude, I think you need to double-check your logic. Mosaic law was given after the biblical flood, and Mosaic law says that certain animals are unclean. So, unclean animals existed after Noah's time. Also, I don't know why you quoted Leviticus 11:26-28 when those verses say nothing about crayfish and snails. Perhaps you meant to quote from Leviticus 11:9-12. These you may eat, of all that are in the waters. Everything in the waters that has fins and scales, whether in the seas or in the rivers, you may eat. But anything in the seas or the rivers that does not have fins and scales, of the swarming creatures in the waters and of the living creatures that are in the waters, is detestable to you. You shall regard them as detestable; you shall not eat any of their flesh, and you shall detest their carcasses. Everything in the waters that does not have fins and scales is detestable to you. Nevertheless, this is from old testament/old covenant laws. The scriptures do not say they are "unclean" specifically, says "unclean to you". What exactly he is inferring there, I do not know. But those laws no longer hold power over us, as again they are old covenant. Matthew 5 17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. And then we have, John 19:30 30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

mthom086 Joined Sat 12/22/07 Posts: 76	Fri 01/04/13 01:02 AM
Someone here on Mingle told me that the 7th day Adventist Church did not believe that Jesus was God and that they were still waiting for the arrival of the Messiah , so I googled that and apparently that is not true. They await his second coming like every other Christian. "In Common With Conservative Christians and the Historic Protestant Creeds, We Believe— 1. That God is the Sovereign Creator, upholder, and ruler of the universe, and that He is eternal, omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent. 2. That the Godhead, the Trinity, comprises God the Father, Christ the Son, and the Holy Spirit. 3. That the Scriptures are the inspired revelation of God to men; and that the Bible is the sole rule of faith and practice. 4. That Jesus Christ is very God, and that He has existed with the Father from all eternity. 5. That the Holy Spirit is a personal being, sharing the attributes of deity with the Father and the Son. 6. That Christ, the Word of God, became incarnate through the miraculous conception and the virgin birth; and that He lived an absolutely sinless life here on earth. 7. That the vicarious, atoning death of Jesus Christ, once for all, is all-sufficient for the redemption of a lost race. 8. That Jesus Christ arose literally and bodily from the grave. 9. That He ascended literally and bodily into heaven. 10. That He now serves as our advocate in priestly ministry and mediation before the Father. 11. That He will return in a premillennial, personal, imminent second advent. 12. That man was created sinless, but by his subsequent fall entered a state of alienation and depravity. 13. That salvation through Christ is by grace alone, through faith in His blood. 14. That entrance upon the new life in Christ is by regeneration, or the new birth. 15. That man is justified by faith. 16. That man is sanctified by the indwelling Christ through the Holy Spirit. 17. That man will be glorified at the resurrection or translation of the saints, when the Lord returns. 18. That there will be a judgment of all men. 19. That the gospel is to be preached as a witness to all the world." It's not as easy as that. it's a deep question because some SDA's think there are additional writings of theres that are extentions of the Bible, and some dont. There are also some deep evangelical differences that some SDA have that others dont. I live near Angwin; which is a huge SDA area and I've gone to their churches and asked the leaders what they thought and I got different answers. I personally would not follow their strict lifestyles such as being vegetarians and other things; but to be honest I really am not the Christian police and I dont' care much. I wouldn't be one. The problem I have with SDA is it is very controlling. I mean even the hospital in Angwin will not serve meat or bacon, and everything is based on being a vegetarian. And just try finding coffee. Not my thing.

mthom086 Joined Sat 12/22/07 Posts: 76	Fri 01/04/13 01:20 AM Edited by mthom086 on Fri 01/04/13 01:21 AM
Someone here on Mingle told me that the 7th day Adventist Church did not believe that Jesus was God and that they were still waiting for the arrival of the Messiah , so I googled that and apparently that is not true. They await his second coming like every other Christian. "In Common With Conservative Christians and the Historic Protestant Creeds, We Believe— 1. That God is the Sovereign Creator, upholder, and ruler of the universe, and that He is eternal, omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent. 2. That the Godhead, the Trinity, comprises God the Father, Christ the Son, and the Holy Spirit. 3. That the Scriptures are the inspired revelation of God to men; and that the Bible is the sole rule of faith and practice. 4. That Jesus Christ is very God, and that He has existed with the Father from all eternity. 5. That the Holy Spirit is a personal being, sharing the attributes of deity with the Father and the Son. 6. That Christ, the Word of God, became incarnate through the miraculous conception and the virgin birth; and that He lived an absolutely sinless life here on earth. 7. That the vicarious, atoning death of Jesus Christ, once for all, is all-sufficient for the redemption of a lost race. 8. That Jesus Christ arose literally and bodily from the grave. 9. That He ascended literally and bodily into heaven. 10. That He now serves as our advocate in priestly ministry and mediation before the Father. 11. That He will return in a premillennial, personal, imminent second advent. 12. That man was created sinless, but by his subsequent fall entered a state of alienation and depravity. 13. That salvation through Christ is by grace alone, through faith in His blood. 14. That entrance upon the new life in Christ is by regeneration, or the new birth. 15. That man is justified by faith. 16. That man is sanctified by the indwelling Christ through the Holy Spirit. 17. That man will be glorified at the resurrection or translation of the saints, when the Lord returns. 18. That there will be a judgment of all men. 19. That the gospel is to be preached as a witness to all the world." I know all the different denominations have their little differences, but I think if I'm not mistaken the only real difference bout 7th day Adventists is they celebrate their Sabbath on Saturday if I'm not mistaken. The only denomination/group that I can think of that doesn't believe Jesus to be specifically God's son is Jehovah Witness, they believe him to be just a prophet. Mormonism always try to come off as Christian but no way is it Christian. For one, they dont believe in one God, and they dont' believe that Christ alone can forgive sins. They also believe the Bible to be incomplete and that Joseph Smith's writings in the book of Mormon (along with 2 other writings which they say were divine teachings of God) filled in the empty places where the Bible missed. Mormonism changes like the wind to be more accepted. In 1970 when Senators threatened their tax exempt status for not allowing minorities to be in leadership roles in the church and for saying that black people were cursed by God, the Mormon leader at the time had an "epiphany" saying that God told him blacks were now ok to be in leadership. If the Senate went through with it, the Mormons would have lost billions of dollars over time losing their tax exempt status. There are many like the Unitarians, the Unification church, the Hare Krishna's, New agers; who are definitely not Christian but try to come off as it so that they can be more widely accepted as well. The Boston Church of Christ is the big scary one. They do NOT believe the same Christian doctrine as the Church of Christ. They believe in works and other ways to get to heaven. They also tell their members that if they are true followers of the church, they are submit fully to what the church wants them to do a la Jim Jones, David Koresh and many of the strict Mormon cults that are seen in Utah. They are targeting young college kids. They will meet up with you and then after a time or two they will invite you to church. They are very social and then the fun starts. They have a higher recruiter that starts to study with you and then they try to get you to be a member. The studies are mammoth sessions and you have a lot of homework. If you question them then you are arrogant and sinning. A classic cult that is growing.

oldhippie1952 Joined Mon 03/14/11 Posts: 22693	Fri 01/04/13 04:01 AM
You are correct Dodo, in your reason why SDA won't eat certain things. As far as the Sabbath, it is Saturday. It was changed to Sunday about 300AD by the council of popes because it was more convenient. This is why SDA still worships on Sabbath, when no ungodly work is permitted. They are no more controlling than any other religion. I do not practice vegetarianism, and I have a hard time keeping Sabbath, my major downfall, it is hard not to do things on Saturday. I sometimes eat pork (sausage), which is unclean and I need to stop that. We do not, as far as I know, place more emphasis on Sabbath than on Jesus, since we believe Jesus gives us the path to heaven. Otherwise, we are simply normal.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Fri 01/04/13 01:39 PM Edited by Jeanniebean on Fri 01/04/13 01:39 PM
You are correct Dodo, in your reason why SDA won't eat certain things. As far as the Sabbath, it is Saturday. It was changed to Sunday about 300AD by the council of popes because it was more convenient. This is why SDA still worships on Sabbath, when no ungodly work is permitted. They are no more controlling than any other religion. I do not practice vegetarianism, and I have a hard time keeping Sabbath, my major downfall, it is hard not to do things on Saturday. I sometimes eat pork (sausage), which is unclean and I need to stop that. We do not, as far as I know, place more emphasis on Sabbath than on Jesus, since we believe Jesus gives us the path to heaven. Otherwise, we are simply normal. I think a religion that promotes healthy eating is a good one. The practice of resting one day of the week is also good, although I don't think it matters much which day you pick. The SDA are very organized financially. The larger organization supports smaller churches in towns like mine. They do expect members to tithe a percent of their earnings to the church. I'm not sure how much, probably ten percent. I avoid pork most of the time... I just don't really like it that much and I find it easy to live without it.

Ruth34611 Joined Sat 08/02/08 Posts: 32401	Fri 01/04/13 01:41 PM
I was working for a woman in her home, Home health care, and on Saturday she heard me using the washing machine. She asked me why I was washing clothes on Saturday. (It was against her religion.) I told her I was not washing the clothes. I said I just put them in the washing machine and turned it on. The machine was actually doing all the work. She smiled. Perfect.

Ruth34611 Joined Sat 08/02/08 Posts: 32401	Fri 01/04/13 01:53 PM Edited by Ruth34611 on Fri 01/04/13 01:54 PM
I believe Catholics and Christians changed the Sabbath to Sunday because that was the day Christ rose from the dead. Sunday Mass is obligatory for all Catholics and all servile work is forbidden.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Fri 01/04/13 02:54 PM
I believe Catholics and Christians changed the Sabbath to Sunday because that was the day Christ rose from the dead. Sunday Mass is obligatory for all Catholics and all servile work is forbidden. These days I take the whole weekend off. That way I can lay around and do nothing and not feel guilty about it. LOL

Milesoftheusa Joined Fri 10/27/06 Posts: 5122	Sun 01/06/13 09:00 PM Edited by Milesoftheusa on Sun 01/06/13 09:10 PM
I have not eaten pork for 22 years now and my health is very good.. don't know if you have seen this study just put out about pork. I have voiced my opinion about pork many times so I will just post this study. http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/health/2012/11/27/study-finds-most-pork-contaminated-with-yersinia-bacteria/ Study Finds Most Pork Contaminated With Yersinia Bacteria Email33Smaller FontTextLarger Text\|Print gty pork chops bacteria nt 121127 wblog Study Finds Most Pork Contaminated With Yersinia Bacteria (Image Credit: Getty Images) A sample of raw pork products from supermarkets around the United States found that yersinia enterocolitica, a lesser-known food-borne pathogen, was present in 69 percent of the products tested, according to a study released today by Consumer Reports. The bacteria infects more than 100,000 Americans a year, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, but for every case that is confirmed with a laboratory test, about 120 more cases escape diagnosis. Symptoms can include fever, cramps and bloody diarrhea. (12 million people they believe get sick) For its sample, Consumer Reports included the same pork products millions of Americans buy every day at their supermarkets. The study included 148 pork chops and 50 ground pork samples from around the United States. In the samples tested, 69 percent tested positive for yersinia and 11 percent for enterococcus, which can indicate fecal contamination that can lead to urinary-tract infections. Salmonella and listeria, the more well-known bacterium, registered at 4 percent and 3 percent, respectively. “The results were concerning,” Urvashi Rangan, one of the authors of the report, told ABCNews.com. “It’s hard to say that there was no problem. It shows that there needs to be better hygiene at animal plants. Yersinia wasn’t even being monitored for.” In a written statement, the Pork Producer’s Council questioned the methods used by Consumer Reports, saying the number of samples tested, 198, did ”not provide a nationally informative estimate of the true prevalence of the cited bacteria on meat.” Despite the findings, Rangan said it’s good to know that the bacteria can be killed by cooking the pork properly and by being vigilant about cross-contamination. Pork cuts should be cooked to 145 degrees, while ground pork needs to reach a temperature of 160 degrees to kill the bacteria. “Anything that touches raw meat should go into the dishwasher before touching anything else,” Rangan said. ”Juices from raw meat that touch the counter should be washed with hot soapy water.” The U.S. Department of Agriculture said the findings “affirm that companies are meeting the established guidelines for protecting the public’s health. “USDA will remain vigilant against emerging and evolving threats to the safety of America’s supply of meat, poultry and processed egg products, and we will continue to work with the industry to ensure companies are following food safety procedures in addition to looking for new ways to strengthen the protection of public health,” the department said in a statement.

Davidcollett Joined Mon 02/25/13 Posts: 2	Mon 02/25/13 09:52 AM
I'm excited to hear people talking about my dinomination, I am a SDA. We do believe Jesus is God, the hole trinity, my brother below said only difference is sabbath and he is more or less true yea, :) But to clarify doesn't matter what denomination you are God still loves you and just because I am a SDA deosnt meen I will be saved, or that only SDA will be saved that wouldn't be true. I have met amazingly beautiful people who are catholic, baptists, Lutherans ect, there amazing people. Most of my family are catholic, my friends are Muslim, baptists, Lutheran, and more I love them, but deosnt stop me from sharing with them if they want me too. Religion is beautiful when done the right way, it's not forceful, demanding or hard. It's a choice made up of other choices that if followed lead you to repentance, love, joy, peace, Heaven. Just as a farther would love and help a child, and would set boundaries that child has the chose to follow or not, but the farther will love them. But as a father who's child is disobedient, how much does that farther give that child and how much more attraction than the other child that is obediant. Religion is love And please if you have questions about SDA ask me, anything just don't get hostile or rude, and it can be enjoyable, also share your faith with me, we're open not closed people.