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Topic: Homosexuality's cause isn't genetics, but the answer does li
mightymoe Joined Sun 11/19/06 Posts: 37362	Tue 12/11/12 08:58 PM
Makini Brice Medical Daily Tue, 11 Dec 2012 11:44 CST As long as natural selection has been an accepted scientific theory, homosexuality has been a riddle for scientists. If a person is attracted to people of the same gender, he or she cannot have biological children with their chosen partner. For most of history, before in vitro fertilization, that meant that homosexuality could not be carried out genetically. In addition, because homosexuality makes it more difficult to have biological children, researchers could not understand how it was possible that the trait would survive across genetics. However, scientists believe that they may have cracked the code, and the answer does lie slightly in genetics. Genes are spelled out by DNA and are entirely hereditary from one family member to another. However, genes do not explain everything about who a person is. After all, recent research shows that the average person has 400 genetic errors that could lead to a disease - and yet, the overwhelming majority of human beings do not have debilitating illnesses. Epigenetics, or environment influences on the genes, are almost as important as the genes themselves. Epi-marks are a form of epigenetics. They are sex-specific and dictate how the instructions coded in the genes are carried out. The sex-specific epi-marks are created during early fetal development to help protect the fetus from environmental influences during later development. For example, specific epi-marks can help protect a female fetus from becoming excessively masculine if there is a rush of testosterone later in the pregnancy. They can affect the genitals, sexual identity, and even sexual partner preference. Normally, they are erased after a single generation. However, sometimes "sexually antagonistic" epi-marks can carry over across generations, passed on from father to daughter or from mother to son, causing homosexuality in children. These epi-marks can spread easily over the population because they cause the parent to be extremely fit, even if they reduce fitness of their children. The theory also explains why homosexuality runs in families. Because epi-marks can carry over across generations, they can create similarities among relatives - closely resembling genes. The paper will be published in an upcoming issue of The Quarterly Review of Biology. finally, they can cure it!

xXkatyXx Joined Mon 06/11/12 Posts: 59	Tue 12/11/12 09:12 PM
please tell me you were joking at the end there

Congomagic Joined Sat 12/13/08 Posts: 1	Tue 12/11/12 09:56 PM
What a load of ********.....there are so many identified genetic markers for homosexual tendencies in science now that proves it is genetic based. There is no cure for homosexual behaviour as it is a natural cause in the animal kingdom, not enviromentally based or any other garbage theory.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Tue 12/11/12 11:07 PM
What a load of ********.....there are so many identified genetic markers for homosexual tendencies in science now that proves it is genetic based. There is no cure for homosexual behaviour as it is a natural cause in the animal kingdom, not enviromentally based or any other garbage theory. it has never been proven to be genetic based,,,there have been (biased) studies that showed a correlation between some gene or another,,,but never a definitive causation and never a successful study proving that the tendency stems from the 'markers' and not the other way around,,, it is just as strong a correlation for similar environments to explain homosexuality 'running' in families as there is similar genes,,,

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Tue 12/11/12 11:13 PM
Makini Brice Medical Daily Tue, 11 Dec 2012 11:44 CST As long as natural selection has been an accepted scientific theory, homosexuality has been a riddle for scientists. If a person is attracted to people of the same gender, he or she cannot have biological children with their chosen partner. For most of history, before in vitro fertilization, that meant that homosexuality could not be carried out genetically. In addition, because homosexuality makes it more difficult to have biological children, researchers could not understand how it was possible that the trait would survive across genetics. However, scientists believe that they may have cracked the code, and the answer does lie slightly in genetics. Genes are spelled out by DNA and are entirely hereditary from one family member to another. However, genes do not explain everything about who a person is. After all, recent research shows that the average person has 400 genetic errors that could lead to a disease - and yet, the overwhelming majority of human beings do not have debilitating illnesses. Epigenetics, or environment influences on the genes, are almost as important as the genes themselves. Epi-marks are a form of epigenetics. They are sex-specific and dictate how the instructions coded in the genes are carried out. The sex-specific epi-marks are created during early fetal development to help protect the fetus from environmental influences during later development. For example, specific epi-marks can help protect a female fetus from becoming excessively masculine if there is a rush of testosterone later in the pregnancy. They can affect the genitals, sexual identity, and even sexual partner preference. Normally, they are erased after a single generation. However, sometimes "sexually antagonistic" epi-marks can carry over across generations, passed on from father to daughter or from mother to son, causing homosexuality in children. These epi-marks can spread easily over the population because they cause the parent to be extremely fit, even if they reduce fitness of their children. The theory also explains why homosexuality runs in families. Because epi-marks can carry over across generations, they can create similarities among relatives - closely resembling genes. The paper will be published in an upcoming issue of The Quarterly Review of Biology. finally, they can cure it! only works if one believes it needs curing kind of like the alcoholic who doesnt think they need help excpet society hasnt gone so far as to insist that alcoholics are born that way and dont need help,,,,

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Wed 12/12/12 12:30 AM Edited by Conrad_73 on Wed 12/12/12 12:32 AM
Makini Brice Medical Daily Tue, 11 Dec 2012 11:44 CST As long as natural selection has been an accepted scientific theory, homosexuality has been a riddle for scientists. If a person is attracted to people of the same gender, he or she cannot have biological children with their chosen partner. For most of history, before in vitro fertilization, that meant that homosexuality could not be carried out genetically. In addition, because homosexuality makes it more difficult to have biological children, researchers could not understand how it was possible that the trait would survive across genetics. However, scientists believe that they may have cracked the code, and the answer does lie slightly in genetics. Genes are spelled out by DNA and are entirely hereditary from one family member to another. However, genes do not explain everything about who a person is. After all, recent research shows that the average person has 400 genetic errors that could lead to a disease - and yet, the overwhelming majority of human beings do not have debilitating illnesses. Epigenetics, or environment influences on the genes, are almost as important as the genes themselves. Epi-marks are a form of epigenetics. They are sex-specific and dictate how the instructions coded in the genes are carried out. The sex-specific epi-marks are created during early fetal development to help protect the fetus from environmental influences during later development. For example, specific epi-marks can help protect a female fetus from becoming excessively masculine if there is a rush of testosterone later in the pregnancy. They can affect the genitals, sexual identity, and even sexual partner preference. Normally, they are erased after a single generation. However, sometimes "sexually antagonistic" epi-marks can carry over across generations, passed on from father to daughter or from mother to son, causing homosexuality in children. These epi-marks can spread easily over the population because they cause the parent to be extremely fit, even if they reduce fitness of their children. The theory also explains why homosexuality runs in families. Because epi-marks can carry over across generations, they can create similarities among relatives - closely resembling genes. The paper will be published in an upcoming issue of The Quarterly Review of Biology. finally, they can cure it! only works if one believes it needs curing kind of like the alcoholic who doesnt think they need help excpet society hasnt gone so far as to insist that alcoholics are born that way and dont need help,,,, I suggest you read up on Alcoholism before making wild statements! Actually,Alcoholism is a genetic condition!

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Wed 12/12/12 07:35 AM
Makini Brice Medical Daily Tue, 11 Dec 2012 11:44 CST As long as natural selection has been an accepted scientific theory, homosexuality has been a riddle for scientists. If a person is attracted to people of the same gender, he or she cannot have biological children with their chosen partner. For most of history, before in vitro fertilization, that meant that homosexuality could not be carried out genetically. In addition, because homosexuality makes it more difficult to have biological children, researchers could not understand how it was possible that the trait would survive across genetics. However, scientists believe that they may have cracked the code, and the answer does lie slightly in genetics. Genes are spelled out by DNA and are entirely hereditary from one family member to another. However, genes do not explain everything about who a person is. After all, recent research shows that the average person has 400 genetic errors that could lead to a disease - and yet, the overwhelming majority of human beings do not have debilitating illnesses. Epigenetics, or environment influences on the genes, are almost as important as the genes themselves. Epi-marks are a form of epigenetics. They are sex-specific and dictate how the instructions coded in the genes are carried out. The sex-specific epi-marks are created during early fetal development to help protect the fetus from environmental influences during later development. For example, specific epi-marks can help protect a female fetus from becoming excessively masculine if there is a rush of testosterone later in the pregnancy. They can affect the genitals, sexual identity, and even sexual partner preference. Normally, they are erased after a single generation. However, sometimes "sexually antagonistic" epi-marks can carry over across generations, passed on from father to daughter or from mother to son, causing homosexuality in children. These epi-marks can spread easily over the population because they cause the parent to be extremely fit, even if they reduce fitness of their children. The theory also explains why homosexuality runs in families. Because epi-marks can carry over across generations, they can create similarities among relatives - closely resembling genes. The paper will be published in an upcoming issue of The Quarterly Review of Biology. finally, they can cure it! only works if one believes it needs curing kind of like the alcoholic who doesnt think they need help excpet society hasnt gone so far as to insist that alcoholics are born that way and dont need help,,,, I suggest you read up on Alcoholism before making wild statements! Actually,Alcoholism is a genetic condition! actually there is a 'predisposition', that is not the same as it being the 'cause' and how does that change what I said? does an alcoholic who doesnt believe he is an alcoholic have a chance at being 'cured'?

Lpdon Joined Thu 02/25/10 Posts: 18772	Wed 12/12/12 10:34 AM
It's a damn choice. It's not genetic. They either choose to be gay or straight, there is no grey area.

singmesweet Joined Mon 07/28/08 Posts: 26661	Wed 12/12/12 12:03 PM
only works if one believes it needs curing kind of like the alcoholic who doesnt think they need help excpet society hasnt gone so far as to insist that alcoholics are born that way and dont need help,,,, You're comparing homosexuals with alcoholics?

singmesweet Joined Mon 07/28/08 Posts: 26661	Wed 12/12/12 12:03 PM
It's a damn choice. It's not genetic. They either choose to be gay or straight, there is no grey area. When did you choose to be straight?

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Wed 12/12/12 12:31 PM
only works if one believes it needs curing kind of like the alcoholic who doesnt think they need help excpet society hasnt gone so far as to insist that alcoholics are born that way and dont need help,,,, You're comparing homosexuals with alcoholics? yes, yes I am

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Wed 12/12/12 12:33 PM
It's a damn choice. It's not genetic. They either choose to be gay or straight, there is no grey area. When did you choose to be straight? when I saw how happy my parents were when I saw my best friend with a boyfriend when I wanted to fit in and the 'natural' thing was to have sex when you were going out with someone,, any number of moments collectively, lead to my 'decision' to date boys

singmesweet Joined Mon 07/28/08 Posts: 26661	Wed 12/12/12 12:34 PM
only works if one believes it needs curing kind of like the alcoholic who doesnt think they need help excpet society hasnt gone so far as to insist that alcoholics are born that way and dont need help,,,, You're comparing homosexuals with alcoholics? yes, yes I am Why do you believe alcoholics and homosexuals are the same?

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Wed 12/12/12 12:39 PM
only works if one believes it needs curing kind of like the alcoholic who doesnt think they need help excpet society hasnt gone so far as to insist that alcoholics are born that way and dont need help,,,, You're comparing homosexuals with alcoholics? yes, yes I am Why do you believe alcoholics and homosexuals are the same? I believe that science has shown correlations between genetics and alcholism, like they have genetics and homosexuality, or genetics and obesity I believe that science has not been able to rule out the correlations between experience/environment and alcoholism, nor between experience/environment and homosexuality, or experience/environment and obesity (just adding another thing that science has brought genetics into, obesity) I also believe that the more one believes they need alcohol/homosexual relations/excessive calories coupled with repetitive action reinforcing those beliefs the more permanently that will become 'who they are' (what they identify as and society sees as) and the harder it becomes to overcome or even WANT to overcome,,,,

oldhippie1952 Joined Mon 03/14/11 Posts: 22693	Wed 12/12/12 12:42 PM
The native American Indian has a predisposition to alcohol, which helped us steal their land. I don't know if they said it was genetic based or not.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Wed 12/12/12 12:47 PM
The native American Indian has a predisposition to alcohol, which helped us steal their land. I don't know if they said it was genetic based or not. that and the bullets and weapons and double crossing,,,lol

Ras427 Joined Wed 08/08/12 Posts: 1516	Wed 12/12/12 07:48 PM
The native American Indian has a predisposition to alcohol, which helped us steal their land. I don't know if they said it was genetic based or not. wow!! Such illogic if ever iv heard it, thats like saying the whiteman is predispositioned to have sex with boys. Wow!!

Ras427 Joined Wed 08/08/12 Posts: 1516	Wed 12/12/12 07:56 PM
As for a cure, I could care less. Last I checked it does not rub off. If they are a good person, he or she is alright by me. I dont agree nor condone homosexuality, but im not concerned enough to worry who someone sleeps with or what sexual lifestyle they choose to adhere to. As long as they dont send me a nudge, they are alright by me. I except people as they come, their choices are between them and their consciouse. Live and let live.

Bravalady Joined Sun 01/01/12 Posts: 1034	Wed 12/12/12 09:41 PM
Lamarck lives!

Lpdon Joined Thu 02/25/10 Posts: 18772	Wed 12/12/12 10:10 PM
It's a damn choice. It's not genetic. They either choose to be gay or straight, there is no grey area. When did you choose to be straight? A long time ago.