Immortality is over-rated. The idea of living forever, well that just seems horrible to me. You'd get bored after a while because you actually would have seen it all, you actually do know everything. You had the time to do it and learn it. If there wasn't a timer slapped on our existence we probably wouldn't be near as interesting.

This thread has reminded my of a favorite quote.

There is no way you could know that for certain.



Once our body dies, it could be eaten by worms, but to assume that the essence of the self is a flesh body is pure speculation.

But I understand that you do not believe in a soul or that consciousness exists outside of physical matter. That is typical.

This little guy has achieved a certain degree of immortality.
But he doesn't really view it as such a big deal.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turritopsis_nutricula

Since scientists haven't really figured out what makes us age, the human body kept pure of toxins could conceivably last for a very long time.. unknown in fact. Human skin, when kept in a perfectly clean laboratory conditions does not age.

Actually, it's not typical. Most people believe in some kind of soul. However, I don't believe anything without solid evidence. The "soul" is made of lots of tiny robots. And we can actually explain the structure and operation of that kind of soul, whereas an eternal, immortal, immaterial soul is just a metaphysical rug under which you sweep your embarrassment for not having any explanation.

I am certainly not embarrassed for not having any explanation. My ego is not that huge that I think I should have an explanation for everything.

Most people would like to believe in life after death and a soul and many people claim to so they can fit into their church group, but I believe it from experience outside of this mind and body.

Personal experience is the only thing that would have ever convinced me and I consider myself perfectly sane. Personal experience is taken as the most solid evidence of all. Most everything else is hearsay and information gotten from some authority.

Rather you choose to believe in some authority over your own personal experience is a personal choice. For me, reality IS PERSONAL EXPERIENCE.

Everything else is like a holographic projection.

I'm not religious, but I do believe in "something". I do believe there's another me, somewhere in a parallel universe. As weird as that may sound. Like as if I used to have a twin. Sometimes I smell perfume of people I used to know, and it's in my house, except the person wasn't, as I haven't seen them in years. Still, it makes me wonder if something has happened to them. I was discussing this with my mum. She said she has it happen with her, aswell. It's just something I wondered about. Since sometimes, I suddenly smell their perfume out of the blue. It's strange.

Man IS immortal. We, as a species have managed to escape extinction.

What makes us so damn special??

Humankind is very special. They are the expression of self aware consciousness. Consciousness exists every where but most forms of matter do not embody a consciousness of self. Humans do.

The amount of self consciousness is directly proportional to the power of the will. We call it "free will." We have a little spark of it and that is the beginnings of the great creative power of the universe.

The universal mind is like a computer, and all memories and information are stored. However if you believe in incarnation and reincarnation, I will tell you why you do not recall your former lives. It is because you are human and it has to do with time and how you are incarnating.

If you are incarnating sequentially, in a consecutive manner, one lifetime after another, then you can remember who you were in your last lifetime.

But the soul that is incarnating as a human comes from beyond this spacetime and so our time line means nothing to it. It can enter this universe at any time or date. In other words it is the ultimate time traveler.

For that reason it has to be blocked from its memory of its other lives in order to live one life at a time. This type of incarnation allows the animation of many lives at a time from the same soul which is the higher self. You may incarnate into the past or future of this planet, or even at the same time on this world. One life can follow another, but it can take place at any time in this spacetime reality.

Therefore, humans are universal time travelers in this respect and that is why they seem to evolve so very quickly and why they hold so much power. Alien beings do not come from this same location and they are trapped into our local spacetime reality. They must live one life at a time while humans live several or many lives at a time.

This is the reason inter-dimensional alien beings find humans so interesting.

It is not a "memory of what we were" that we need to find, but the memory of what we are. Our souls hale from a timeless place. (We are here for the earth ride, and we will soon spiral out of this place.)

Actually, personal experience AKA anecdotal evidence is the worst kind of evidence. It's too small a sample to even be considered as evidence. It happened to you, so what? Can you prove it? If you can't it may have been a hallucination. This would be my first thought if I found myself having an "out of body experience," that I was hallucinating.

And I didn't mean to say I believed in reincarnation. I meant to say that energy cannot be destroyed nor created and can pass from one living thing to another and that sort of looks like reincarnation.

Personal Opinion - based solely on . . . personal opinion. Immortality is achieved by being remembered. You don't have to be great, just remembered. You're kids tell stories about you to there children, friends think of you from time to time. Doesn't have to be everyday. As long as you hold a place is someone's heart you continue to influence those people and possibly even generations after you're gone. People who have lived good and caring lives are remembered longer than ones who don't.

Not sure about the global theories of heaven and hell, but I believe we experience a lot of both while we live

Wrong, personal experience is the best kind of evidence and the only kind of evidence of reality that matters.

You see, I am unconcerned about what other people believe or what I can prove to them about my own personal experience.

Everyone has their own personal experience and everyone can chose to believe from whatever evidence or experience they give credence to.

If someone tells you that you are hallucinating you can either believe them or not. LOL Your choice I guess.

Even if you chose to call an out of body experience an hallucination, it is still a real and personal experience.

There is only one reason to think you have to prove your personal experiences to someone else and that is because you require an agreement, recognition and acknowledgment from others that it is what they ALSO call "real."

But when you reach enlightenment you realize that reality is personal experience. If you can share that reality with others and all agree that it is "real" then what you have is a shared personal experience or a shared reality.

LOL But I doubt if you will comprehend what I just said.

If you are talking about human memories, I'm afraid there is no immortality for anyone.

I can't even remember where I put my purse. LOL

Do you watch Big Bang Theory? You remind me of Sheldon's mother.

Sheldon: Mother, evolution isn't an opinion, it's a fact.

Mom: And that's YOUR opinion.

Sheldon: Get me out of here.

Having hallucinations doesn't mean you're crazy. However, believing you're hallucinations brings your sanity into question.

The best evidence is repeatable and pier reviewed.

Have you heard the term Occom's Razer? Basically, it means when given two possible explanations for something, the simplest one is usually the true one.

First of all the theory of evolution has a lot of holes and problems, so I don't agree that it can ever be called "a fact."

I do agree with Sheldon's mom. Its an opinion.

EVERYTHING IS AN OPINION.

I get a kick out of Sheldon though. He is Hilarious. He is a dysfunctional human being, but hilarious just the same.

Of course I have heard the term occam's razor. (You spelled it wrong by the way so I will do like Hotrod does and point that out to you. LOL )



All of that is relative to perception and who believes what.

How does anyone know that this entire "matrix" that we call "reality" is not simply a hologram or an hallucination of the mind? If you look at reality at the quantum level you will find that matter does not exist, there are only vibrations.

If you look at the way the human eyes work you will discover that they interpret these vibrations and project them like a holographic image into what we all call a visual "reality."

Sounds that we hear are also just vibrations.

We as humans only perceive a small fraction of this universe we call reality.

We decide what is real and some of us agree on what to call real. But ultimately, it all boils down to personal experience. I cannot experience what you experience.


If we were the only two people in the entire universe and I saw something you could not see, or you saw something I could not see.... then who is seeing the "true" reality??

Occam's Razor




The thing about Occam's razor is this. The answers are simple. They are so simple that scientists can't even comprehend them. Scientists have made everything intricately complicated in their effort to explain their world according to what they think they see that they can't see the simplicity of it.

What is an hallucination? Why are some of them so real? How are they created?

When scientist really figure that out, they will know how this universe was created.

Back to the topic of immortality. You would have to be a little more specific about what kind of immortality you are talking about here.

Preservation of the human soul or spiritual being animating many incarnations?

If you believe in one body one soul, then preservation of that individual person in body or soul?

I think immortality would have to extend beyond the physical body and physical world.

Yes, I believe that other non physical worlds do exist.