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Topic: Why Americans Hate ACA
Conrad_73's photo
Fri 10/26/12 03:16 AM

As a matter of fact, I took both macro and micro economics in college with a GPA of 4.0 in both, and I don't shy away from people who challenge me. FYI, anyone who took econ in college knows what really doesn't work: trickle-down economics.
I presume Austrian Economics weren't part of the Curriculum!

msharmony's photo
Fri 10/26/12 07:33 AM








The more I learn about it, the more I like it.


huh Oh? Do you like for the cost of health insurance to go up? Mine did as a result of the passage of ACA.

By outlawing non-coverage for pre-existing conditions, the ACA has forced insurance companies to raise their rates in order to cover the cost of pre-existing conditions.

In the USA, an insurance company is a for-profit organization. When an insurance company agrees to provide health insurance to a customer for a fee (the premium), the company takes a gamble, believing that the customer will be generally healthy enough not to need the medical services covered by the the customer's insurance policy. If a customer has a pre-existing condition, then the customer is more likely to need medical services, and thus, an insurance company is more likely to pay for such medical services if the company covers the pre-existing condition.

I do like the part of the ACA that allows the parents to keep their adult children on a policy until their children are age 26. Upon turning 18, most people in the USA are not in a position to obtain the same kind of health insurance that their parents have (unless they enlist in the military).



I dont believe the insurance companies 'have' to raise costs,,,its a nice enough scapegoat to excuse more increases though

group rates are almost always lower than indiviudal,, why? beause they are taking on MORE customers to level out the cost

more insurers would diminish how NECESSARY rising costs would be


Are you suggesting that insurance companies become non-profit organizations?



no , why would they need to

If I have 100 customers at 200 bucks a month , for instance
thats 20000 per month,, if each year I bring in that 240000 per year

if three of them expend 12000 per year on expenses,, I hae 12000 per year profit

If I increase from 100 customers to 150 customers, thats 30000 per month and 36000 per year

if that same three percent now spend 4000 each, lets round that to 20000 per year, I still make 16000 profit

no need to increase the rates if I am increasing the customers paying in,,,


whoa slaphead Where did you come up with math like that?



a calculator


Increase the cost by billions by requiring coverage of preexisting conditions and no increase in premiums to pay for it? You need a smarter calculator.



there isnt a need to increase the premium if you have a larger 'group' of consumers

thats how the whole premise of 'group' coverage has been working in the insurance industry for decades.....



metalwing's photo
Fri 10/26/12 08:03 AM









The more I learn about it, the more I like it.


huh Oh? Do you like for the cost of health insurance to go up? Mine did as a result of the passage of ACA.

By outlawing non-coverage for pre-existing conditions, the ACA has forced insurance companies to raise their rates in order to cover the cost of pre-existing conditions.

In the USA, an insurance company is a for-profit organization. When an insurance company agrees to provide health insurance to a customer for a fee (the premium), the company takes a gamble, believing that the customer will be generally healthy enough not to need the medical services covered by the the customer's insurance policy. If a customer has a pre-existing condition, then the customer is more likely to need medical services, and thus, an insurance company is more likely to pay for such medical services if the company covers the pre-existing condition.

I do like the part of the ACA that allows the parents to keep their adult children on a policy until their children are age 26. Upon turning 18, most people in the USA are not in a position to obtain the same kind of health insurance that their parents have (unless they enlist in the military).



I dont believe the insurance companies 'have' to raise costs,,,its a nice enough scapegoat to excuse more increases though

group rates are almost always lower than indiviudal,, why? beause they are taking on MORE customers to level out the cost

more insurers would diminish how NECESSARY rising costs would be


Are you suggesting that insurance companies become non-profit organizations?



no , why would they need to

If I have 100 customers at 200 bucks a month , for instance
thats 20000 per month,, if each year I bring in that 240000 per year

if three of them expend 12000 per year on expenses,, I hae 12000 per year profit

If I increase from 100 customers to 150 customers, thats 30000 per month and 36000 per year

if that same three percent now spend 4000 each, lets round that to 20000 per year, I still make 16000 profit

no need to increase the rates if I am increasing the customers paying in,,,


whoa slaphead Where did you come up with math like that?



a calculator


Increase the cost by billions by requiring coverage of preexisting conditions and no increase in premiums to pay for it? You need a smarter calculator.



there isnt a need to increase the premium if you have a larger 'group' of consumers

thats how the whole premise of 'group' coverage has been working in the insurance industry for decades.....





That is absurd. Calculated risk is how insurance has ALWAYS worked. Obamacare is driving insurance costs through the roof and everybody, except you, knows it.

no photo
Fri 10/26/12 08:14 AM
Edited by Leigh2154 on Fri 10/26/12 08:35 AM






The more I learn about it, the more I like it.


huh Oh? Do you like for the cost of health insurance to go up? Mine did as a result of the passage of ACA.

By outlawing non-coverage for pre-existing conditions, the ACA has forced insurance companies to raise their rates in order to cover the cost of pre-existing conditions.

In the USA, an insurance company is a for-profit organization. When an insurance company agrees to provide health insurance to a customer for a fee (the premium), the company takes a gamble, believing that the customer will be generally healthy enough not to need the medical services covered by the the customer's insurance policy. If a customer has a pre-existing condition, then the customer is more likely to need medical services, and thus, an insurance company is more likely to pay for such medical services if the company covers the pre-existing condition.

I do like the part of the ACA that allows the parents to keep their adult children on a policy until their children are age 26. Upon turning 18, most people in the USA are not in a position to obtain the same kind of health insurance that their parents have (unless they enlist in the military).



I dont believe the insurance companies 'have' to raise costs,,,its a nice enough scapegoat to excuse more increases though

group rates are almost always lower than indiviudal,, why? beause they are taking on MORE customers to level out the cost

more insurers would diminish how NECESSARY rising costs would be


Are you suggesting that insurance companies become non-profit organizations?



no , why would they need to

If I have 100 customers at 200 bucks a month , for instance
thats 20000 per month,, if each year I bring in that 240000 per year

if three of them expend 12000 per year on expenses,, I hae 12000 per year profit

If I increase from 100 customers to 150 customers, thats 30000 per month and 36000 per year

if that same three percent now spend 4000 each, lets round that to 20000 per year, I still make 16000 profit

no need to increase the rates if I am increasing the customers paying in,,,


whoa slaphead Where did you come up with math like that?


It's new math, it started four years ago...It's called SAP for short...Screw the American Public....:wink:


AndyBgood's photo
Fri 10/26/12 10:38 AM
Wow, did I shoot a 4.0 GPA Liberal out of the water, education and all?



I am improving!



You know one thing is nagging me. In this "Thou must have or else" law of Obama's what are the protections for consumers from fraud from the other end like sudden premium increases? Existing policies got more expensive. New policies are much more spartan and cost more. And poor people don't have to do squat to use the services for every sniffle and boo boo on their finger tip from a paper cut, but the rest of us who can afford to pay insurance??? Have deductibles gone away under this new system? NO.

Obama's law sold us out to the Insurance and Healthcare industries. It is Brazil (the Terry Gillian Movie) if you really do get hurt and need help. You will die before the bureaucracy is done so you can get treatment.

So supporters of the ACA, riddle me this if you will...

Conrad_73's photo
Fri 10/26/12 11:26 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKol6bkHEO4

Grandma Got Run Over By Obama care.

metalwing's photo
Fri 10/26/12 12:02 PM
I think this one is just as good if not better!

Obama the socialist.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRRsfCD1Bh0&feature=related

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Fri 10/26/12 12:13 PM


Who likes it? Isn't it obvious?


AndyBgood's photo
Fri 10/26/12 12:29 PM



Who likes it? Isn't it obvious?




Zombies?

More like this...




This is what I think of Liberals...



Stupid is as stupid thinks!

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